https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/dbc3054430670f471bf915ca24ceabee.pdf 4728bb3d629b6917e0577874bc27d9fb PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information A December 1957. The Minister Special Tripartite Meetings in Washington pte>t R<pQpt 1. The opening meeting of the teohnioal oomnittee wss held at the^ Pentagon on the naming of 3 December 1957 at whloh the following Canadian representatives were present > # Mr* Herman Robertson Major General Sparling Dr. Green - Defenoe Research Board 2. General Loper, the Chairman of the Military Liaison Committee of the Atomio Baergy Coaalssion of the United States presided. This 'introductory meeting only lasted thirty minutes and the Chairman referred to the background of the Eisenhower - MaoMillan talks, stating that the present meetings were for the purpose of exploring ways snd means of cooperation in the defenee field more closely, and that the procedure would be for teohnioal discussions to be carried on by various groups in speolfio fields. General Loper also referred to the decision which was taken by the U.K. and the U.S.A. to invite the Canadian Government to participate in these discussions. However, because of limitations under existing legislation Canadian representation would be welcomed in all the working parties including the one dealing with delivery systems tut with the exception of those dealing with nuclear materials and nuolear warheads. Further, General Loper stated that since the USA position in the field of cooperation on atomio energy matters was under current review it would be necessary in these joint meetings to explore possible areas of cooperation under three possible sets of circumstances s (a) That a major revision may be made to existing legislation. (b) That a minor revision may be made, (o) That no revision at all may be made. 3. It was agreed that various working groups under the main teohnioal committee would be set up under the following subjeotsi (a) Nuclear Materials v (b) nuclear Warheads (c) Military Propulsion and Power Reactors (d) Delivery Systems (o) Biological, Radiological and Chemical Warfare <f) Defence against Ballistic Missiles <g) Anti-Submarine Detection and Defenoe (h) Aircraft and Aero Engines (i) Infrared Researoh (j) Thermionic Valve Researoh �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information •A' - 2 \ A. After the opening meeting concluded the meeting then moved into specific sub-committee meetings to discuss the above subjects in the following order with Canadian representation as follows} 3 December 1957 (a) Nuclear materials - No Canadian representation (g) Anti Submarine Detection and Defence Commodore Robertson, Lieutenant Commander Cooke (RCN), G/C Chapman (RCAF) and Doctors Green snd Waterman (DRB). (h) Aircraft and Aero Engines - Dr. Green (DRB) and G/C Chapman (RCAF). (b) Nuclear Warheads - No Canadian representation. L December 1957 (o) Military Propulsion and Power Reactors - Doctors Green and Waterman (DRB)', Lt. Cdr. Smith (RCN) and Mr. Williamson (Canadian Embassy). (d) Delivery Systems - Dr. Green and Mr. Walker (DRB), G/C Chapman (RCAF), Major Ewing (Canadian Arqy) and Lt.'Cdr. Smith (RCN). (f) Defence against Ballistic Missiles - Dr. Green and Mr. Walker (DRB), G/t Chapman (RCAF) and Major Ewlng (Canadian Army). 5 December 1957 (e) Biological, Radiological and Chemical Warfare Dr. Green (DRB), Lt. Col. Bond and Lt. Col..Staples (Canadian Army) (l) & (j) Infrared Research and Thermionic ^falve Research Mr. Walker, Dr. Eaton and Dr. Waterman (DRB). It Is expected that the final session of the main committee will take place late: Thursday afternoon, 5 December 1957. 5. At the Anti-submarine Detection and Defenoe Sub-Committee Meeting Which met yesterday morning, Dr. Green acted as Joint Chairman. The U.K. suggested that in order to spread the load the U.K. effort might be directed predominantly to "detection" in which good work had already been done in conjunction with Canada, leaving the United States to concentrate on weapons. However, the United States initial reaction was that it was unlikely the United States could relinquish major portions of such a programme of research and development which was proceeding on a broad front. It was pointed out that there was already seme variation in objectives, in that the U.K. is concerned with shallow water detection while the U.S. is concerned with deep water detection. It was considered that.it waa imperative to find ways and means for dividing the load and that it was finally agreed that a technical team should be established with as few members as is necessary from each of the three countries. This team would study the overall research and development programmes and make recommendations for clo ser cooperation or integration in anti-submarine defence. It has been suggested that Canadian representation on thie team should include naval and air operational authorities in addition to scientific representation, and the Chairtaan, Defence Research Board, has been asked to suggest suitable representation after discussion with the Services concerned. .000364 .../ �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information \ 6. At ths Aircraft snd Aero Engines Sub-Committee Meeting whioh also mat yesterday morning, Dr. Green again acted as Joint Chairman. The U.K. representative stated that they were developing no bombers beyond the present "V" bombers and no fighters beyond the present "P.l", and therefore, they are In the last stages of such militaiy developments. However, the U.K. will have continued interest in developing military transports, low level reoonnaisanee, and attack aircraft. It was also mentioned that the U.S. Navy had an interest in some of these aircraft. The CF 105> the Argus and the Caribou aircraft were mentioned and it was pointed out that Canada was anxious to see an Interest developed In these aircraft. The U.S. representative stated that the USAF had a continued interest in the CF 105 snd hoped that the USAF would be represented at Its first flight. Performance and development plans for the Argus were outlined but the U.S. and the U.K. representatives made no comments. The U.S. representative outlined new USAF projects suoh as the T38, a small supersonic trainer Which appears to be dependent primarily on the development of high thrust to weight engines. This trainer may fly up to Mach 1.5 (1$ times the speed of sound) snd a fighter version has been proposed by the contractor. Reference was also made to the F 105 all-weather long range two seater interceptor which should fly at Mach 3 (3 times the speed of sound) with a 1000 mile radius and a combat height of 65 to 70 thousand feet. It would be equipped with a sophisticated air to air missile system with a twentyfive mile range for the missile and 80 to 100 miles radar range. The U.S. representative also mentioned a replacement for the B52 aircraft Whioh would be a bomber capable of Mach 3 (3 times the speed of sound) operating at 65,000 feet. It was also stated that the USAF are proceeding with maimed aircraft because of the need for flexibility and emphasis was made to the inflexibility of unmanned missiles. In the research vehicle field, the U.S. also mentioned the X-15» whioh it Is understood is a hyphersonlc manned aircraft with a proposed speed of Maoh 10 (ten times the speed of sound) and an ultimate altitude of 250,000 feet, and also vertical take-off researoh aircraft. Mention was also made to the Avro project which is the supersonic jet lift fighter with a circular air foil instead of wings which is proceeding at low priority. It was considered vital that the TEA, UK and Canada get together in the field of short and vertical take-off and landing aircraft as efforts are now being dissipated in this field. It was, therefore, agreed that a joint tripartite task force should be created to review researoh and development in this field for the purpose of recommending better cooperation. The. UK representative stated that he was oonoerned as to the future of such excellent companies as Rolls Royce in view of the termination of military fighter and bomber developments and he recommended the "Conway" as suitable for USAF tanker aircraft. It was generally agreed that difficulties in this area stem from the existence of too many engine companies. However, the US representative believed that these would decrease in future and oited the example of Westinghouse who will bs vacating this field. The U.S. alao pointed out that a major difficulty In future was that engines cannot be developed independent of airframes they are to power and therefore greater specialization will follow as a result of this. It was also agreed that a.tripartite conference on the future of propulsion might be useful which should be attended by government representatives on the defence side with industrial experts present not as representatives of Industry but as specialist advisers to national representatives. 7. Further reports on the discussions in the various fields will be passed to you MI received. Original signed by Gen. Charles Foulkea (Oharles 'Foulkes) General, Chairman, Chiefs of Staff. 000365 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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