https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/522d36b2d3539523026007ca3c78f268.pdf fb961af6c148f3ecf73c6e72d843e464 PDF Text Text Docnmenrdisclosed under the Access tolnfurmation Act •Document tlivulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SEO&ET This document consists of Copy No. 31. pf 33 10 pages Series A S E C R E T i SUMMARY NOTES ON PLENARY MEETING OF THE U.S. -U.K.CANADIAN REPRESENTATIVES ' The Pentagon December 6, 3.957 UNITED KINGDOM Sir Sir Sir Mr. Harold Caccia, Ambassador to the U.S. Frederick Brundrett, Ministry of Defense William Penney, U.K. Atomic Energy Authority John Roper, British Embassy CANADA* Mr. Saul F. Rae, Minister to the U.S. Dr. John J. Green Maj. Gen. H. A. Sparling UNITED STATES Department of Defense Mr. Donald A. Quarles, Deputy Secretary of Defense Mr. John B. Macauley, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (R&E) Maj. Gen. Herbert B. Loper, Assistant to the Secretary of Defense (AE) Mr. John N. Irwin, II, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA) Brig. Gen„ John S. Guthrie, USA, ISA Col, Delmar L. Crowson, USAF, OSD Rear Adm. John T. Hayward, USN, OPNAV* Rear Adm. Rawson Bennett. Chief Naval Research* Col. William M. Summers, USA* Mr. John E. Jackson, OSD Comd. J. T. Law, USN, OPNAV* Department of State Mr. Philip J, Farley, Special Assistant; i-e tlna Secretary isS State (AE) Mr. Raymond F. Courtney Atomic Energy Commission Mr. Lewis L. Strauss, Chairman Mr. R. W. Cook Adm. Paul F. Foster Brig. Gen. Alfred D. Starbird Mr. W. B. McCool Capt. Edward E. Conrad * Not present for discussion of Reports of Subcommittees "A", "Bn and 1|C". ; This material contains information affecting the national defense of the United States within the tneani»Q *e the espionage laws, Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 793 and 7 s ^ the transmission or revelation of which in any manner to an unauthorised person is prohibited by lav». SECRET 000433 , �Document disclosed under the Access lo Infoiiimion Act • Document Hivulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information S E C R E T In opening the meeting Mr. Strauss suggested that the reports of Subcommittees "D" through "J" be considered first in order that the reports for Subcommittees "A", "B" and "C" could be considered when Mr. Quarles would be present. General Loper r suggested that Mr. Macauley present these reports and said - that it would not be necessary for the Canadian members to remain for discussion of reports "A", "B" and "C". Mr. Macauley explained that all reports before the meeting were in draft form and requested that all copies be returned for review and final issuance. 1. Report of Subcommittee "D".- Delivery Systems The conferees had no comments on this report and it was approved without discussion. 2 « Report of Subcommittee "E" - Biological Warfare, Chemical Warfare and Radiological Defense During presentation of this report by Mr. Macauley, Mr. Strauss noted that the term "Radiological Warfare" had been changed to "Radiological Defense" during Subcommittee discussions. Sir Frederick Brundrett explained that this was because no great amount of work had been done on offensive capabilities in this field and the discussions had concentrated on aspects of radiological defense. Mr. Quarles commented that there has always been extensive cooperation in these fields and he hoped this would continue. The conferees approved the Subcommittee report. 3. Report of Subcommittee "F" - Defense Against Ballistic Missiles After presentation of the report by Mr. Macauley, Mr. Quarles remarked that, subject to Congressional approval, the U.S. would . - 2 - " SECRET 000434 �•Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a finformat' SECRET S E C R E T proceed immediately to establish an early warning radar system for defense against ballistic missiles. He said that the U.S. believes this matter is urgent and that design time is being shortened in order to get equipment in place. Sir Frederick Brundrett said that this problem had been discussed at length in the Subcommittee meetings and that although the U.K. thought geographical differences would affect joint defense planning in this area, the U.K. intended to inform the U.S. and Canada of her proposed program in order to obtain the benefit of their advice. Mr. Quarles said that while he recognized geographical differences would of course affect joint plans, he believed it essential that there be coordination. One site the U.S. is considering is in Scotland; therefore, it was apparent that U.S. plans must be coordinated with U.K. planning. Sir Frederick Brundrett agreed but said that he thought it should be recognized that political decisions could affect joint plans for defensive measures. Mr. Quarles asked whether there had been discussions of the use of high altitude radar, and Sir Frederick Brundrett replied that there had been full discussions of current developments in this field. The conferees then approved the report of the Subcommittee. ^• Report of Subcommittee "G" - Anti-Submarine Defense After presentation of the Subcommittee report by Mr, Macauley, Sir Frederick Brundrett remarked that two U.K. representatives would arrive in Washington on December 8 in order to facilitate joint discussions in this field. The Subcommittee report was approved. - 3- 000435 �- Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECWST S E C R E T 5« Report of Subcommittee "H". - Aircraft and Aero-Engines In presenting the report of the Subcommittee, Mr. Macauley agreed with Dr, Green's suggestion that the Canadair Argus aircraft (CP107) should be included in the equipment listed in subparagraph a, Mr. Quarles commented that it should be recognized that timing and program coordination in this field is difficult and that all sides must be aware of this if material advantages are to be properly shared. Mr. Macauley remarked that while this is a very complex program, he thought that joint efforts must proceed, The conferees then approved the Subcommittee report. 6. Report of Subcommittee "I" and !:J" - Electron Tubes and Infra Re'd ~ The conferees had no comments on this report and it was approved without discussion. General Discussion Mr. Rae said that on behalf of the Canadian representatives he wished to express their appreciation for the invitation to join in the U.S.-U.K. discussions looking to joint efforts in research and technology. Much had been accomplished in the current discussions and he was hopeful that much more could be done. Mr. Strauss said he was sure he expressed the hope of both the U.K. and U.S. representatives in saying that participation of the Canadian Government in the programs under Items "A", "B", and "C" would be deferred for only a short time. Mr. Rae said he believed the record should reflect Canadian participation in Subcommittee "C" discussion. • "• - 4 - S E C R E T 000436 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act - Document-divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur faeces a I'information S E C R E T 7. Report of Ad Hoc Committee on Collaboration in the Nuclear Intelligence Areas'" The report of this group was not discussed by the conferees at the Plenary Meeting. However, the report was subsequently agreed upon by the UK and the Department of Defense representatives and distributed as an additional report on the technical discussions. Further action within the respective governments to accommodate the recommendations should be considered. Statement for the Press Mr. Strauss said there might be some advantage in preparing a press statement which could be released in response to inquiries about the current meeting. Ambassador Caccia said he thought that there should be agreement on a statement which would be released only in response to press inquiries. Mr. Strauss suggested a statement to the effect that there has been one of a series of continuing technical discussions related to the statement of October 25, 1957, by Prime Minister Macmlllan and President Eisenhower. Mr, Rae said there were perhaps some disadvantages in mentioning Canada's participation, and Mr. Quarles commented that while the U.S. and U.K. were of course anxious to identify their common interests with Canada, there was the problem of possible NATO reaction to identification of Canadian participation, and political considerations might require de-emphasizing such a reference in the statement. Mr. Rae said that he would wish to review with Ambassador Robertson any draft public announcement regarding these discussions. Mr. Quarles suggested that in order to avoid possible comments about U.S., U.K. and Canadian discussions being - 5- 000437 �Comment disclosed under the Atcea lu Information Act . Document .divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECMET % S E C R E T held just prior to the NATO meeting in Paris, it might be desirable to relate Canadian participation only to those technical discussions on defense of the North American continent. The Canadian and United Kingdom members agreed that this was desirable. -. After discussion, a draft statement was approved for further coordination by the Department of State and British and Canadian Embassies. (See Appendix "A") At this point Mr. Rae, Dr. Green and General Sparling left the meeting. General Discussion Mr. Strauss said that he hoped the U.K. representatives realized the problems under which the U.S. was working in these discussions because of the uncertainty of legislative action on amendments to the Atomic Energy Act. He added that he, Mr. Quarles and others had been engaged in numerous discussions urging amendment of the Atomic Energy Act to permit closer U.S.-U.K. cooperation, but that it was not certain what the results of x these efforts would be. Ambassador Caccla said that the U.K, was aware of U.S, problems in this regard, but remarked that it would be helpful if they could have some indication of content of the proposed amendments and the timing with respect to the amendments. He said that it was necessary for the U.K. to proceed with the construction of further diffusion plant capacity to meet their requirements for special nuclear materials unless the U.S, could supply their needs for such materials. Mr. Strauss replied that the U.S. recognized the need for an early U.K. decision on this matter and said that the Administration would press for early legislative action. However, . - 6 - " SECEET 000438 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act - Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information % SCEET S E C R ET he pointed out that historically, Congress tends to defer important matters of this nature until the latter part of the Congressional term. He added that the U.S. is anxious to be of assistance to the U.K. and that he would discuss with Ambassador Caccia what representations could be made by the U.K. to expedite a decision on the part of the U.S. Mr. Strauss said he understood that in Subcommittee discussions a great deal of concern had been expressed about the financial impact of the proposed programs. He said he believed the program of cooperation should be divided into military and civilian assistance and that insofar as the military undertakings were concerned, he did not think financial arrangements would be any problem. With regard to the commercial programs, however, there would be some difficulties, 8• Report of Subcommittee "C" - Nuclear Propulsion In presenting the report of the Subcommittee, Mr. Strauss said that while the matter of exchange of nuclear propulsion information between U.K. and U.S. private contractors is a complicated problem, he was sure that with goodwill on both sides it could be solved, The conferees approved the report of the Subcommittee. 9. Report of Subcommittee "A" - Nuclear Materials In response to a question from Mr. Quarles concerning the U.K. purchase of enriched uranium (See paragraph 2), Sir William Penney said that if the U.K. is to purchase enriched uranium from the U.S., such purchases would be accompanied by large amounts of natural uranium and that the problem here was that the U.K. has already made commitments into the i960's for adequate supplies of natural uranium. - 7 - SECMET 000439 �-Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECMET % S E C R E T Mr. Cook said that with respect to U.S. processing of United Kingdom natural uranium, it was not clear in the present Atomic Energy Act whether this can be done, Mr. Strauss said that an amendment would be requested to clarify this and other questions that might arise. The Subcommittee report was then approved by the conferees. 10. Report of Subcommittee "B" - Nuclear Warheads After presentation of the report and the U.K, statement, Mr, Strauss said that it should be recognized that with respect to the U.K. statement, the U.S. cannot make commitments but is on notice as to what the U.K. considers desirable. The Subcommittee report was then approved by the conferees. December 20 Report to Prime Minister Macmi1Ian and President Eisenhower Mr. Strauss suggested that it would be desirable for Sir Edwin Plowden, Sir Richard Powell, Mr. Quarles and himself to meet in Paris during the NATO Conference to discuss the December 20 report. Mr. Quarles agreed that this was desirable, and the U.K. representatives expressed their agreement with this proposal. Ambassador Caccia asked what arrangements would now be made for continuing discussions by the principal group, and Mr. Strauss suggested that this be discussed by the U.S. and U.K, representatives during the NATO meetings in Paris. At this point Mr. Strauss and Sir Harold Caccia left the meeting. General Discussion Sir William Penney commented that the U.K. representatives believed a great deal of work had been accomplished in a very short period of time and that they appreciated the participation of Mr. Quarles, Mr. Strauss and their colleagues in discussions of matters of joint interest in the defense field. - 8 - 1 SECRET ' • 000440 �• Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a SECRET S E C R E T Mr, Quarles said he was pleased with the accomplishments of these meetings and that while the restrictions of U.S. law caused some problems, he thought that a great deal of progress had been made. With respect to a U.K. decision on gaseous diffusion plant capacity, he asked whether the U.K, had sufficient assurance of U.S. assistance not to move ahead on such a development. Sir William Penney replied that since the U.K, had been informed that it is not possible at this time for the U.S. to give definitive assurances, the U.K. must make a decision on this matter very soon. Sir Frederick Brundrett commented that this was a serious problem for the U.K. and that a decision could be deferred no longer. Mr. Roper referred to Mr, Strauss' earlier remarks on this subject and said that he understood that the matter would be taken up in discussions between Mr. Strauss and Ambassador Caccia leading to representations to the U.S, Government. Mr. Quarles remarked that this was the appropriate procedure and said that the U.S. was anxious to assist the U.K, in this regard, Mr. Quarles asked whether it was necessary to discuss Appendix "A" of the report of Subcommittee "A" on Nuclear Material, and General Loper commented that it was only necessary to note in this connection that there was a dollar gap resulting from the net difference in sales of U-235 to the U.K. and sales of plutonium to the U.S. Sir Frederick Brundrett said he believed this concluded a productive series of meetings in which all participants had discussed joint planning in the spirit of the October 25, 1957* statement by President Eisenhower and Prime Minister Macmillan. A great deal of progress had been made, and he was hopeful that these discussions could be continued as fruitfully as they had begun. - 9- * SECRET �-Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information Sl!^m!E)yn;'Hr SECRET % i S E C R E T APPENDIX II"A« " STATEMENT TO BE USED IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS WHICH MAY BE RAISED REGARDING MEETINGS IN WASHINGTON BETWEEN U.S. AND U.K. REPRESENTATIVES Representatives of the departments and agencies concerned with the technical defense subjects discussed at the meeting in October between the President and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom have been meeting in Washington. The conversations at the working level will continue. - 10 - Appendix" A' ECRET 000442 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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