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D E P A R T M E N T OF E X T E R N A L A F F A I R S

Subject.
Date May...?.?., 1969.

Publication

ABM expert says"
missile hit on U.S.
worse for Canada
ByJOHNDAFOE

r

Globe and Mail Reporter

OTTAWA Canadians
would suffer far more from
intercontinental ballistic missiles which reached targets in
the; northern United States
than from missiles which
were intercepted above Canada, a Canadian defense expert said yesterday..
Dr. G: R. Lindsey, chief of
,the defense research establishment of the" Department
of National Defense, was testifying before hte Commons
Committee on External Affairs and National Defense.
. He said Canadian territory
could be valuable as a site for
radar installations for a U.S.
anti-ballistic missile system
but the question of using Canadian territory in an ABM
system has not yet arisen.
Dr. Lindsey's presentation
was denounced by David
Lewis (NDP, York South).
"In fact you have tried to
make a case for the value of
an ABM system," he charged.
"No, I didn't try to," replied Dr. Lindsey, a quiet-spoken scientist. "I tried to
present a number of facts you
would need and give the pros
and cons."
His paper, however, gave
little support to earlier
charges by NDP leader T. C.
Douglas that the explosion of
ABM Spartan missiles over
Canada would create a danger
of fallout for Canadians
below.
The Spartan, it noted, is intended to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles in
outer space—at least 25 miles
high. At that height, the explosion of a Spartan warhead
could break windows on the
ground below. On a clear day,it would start some fires in
tinder-like material and could
cause burns to the exposed
skin of persons outside.
It would not produce' a dangerous radioactive hazard on
the ground., - ' .
*
"One should not wax too indignant over the hazards inflicted by defensive ABM
weapons without contemplating the effects of the offensive
ICBM if is should succeed in
its intended mission," Dr.
Lindsey's paper stated.

"Analysis done in CanadaE
I indicates that little would be j
gained for defense of targets I
in the U.S.A. by siting missile '
batteries much to the north of
the zones to be defended."
Canadian territory could be
valuable for the location of radars to warn of ICBM attacks
and to track the enemy missiles.
"However, no requirement
for^ sites in Canada has arisen
to date with regard to active
defense against ballistic missiles."
Dr. Lindsey's paper states
that from a strategic point of
view, antirbomber and antimissile defense are part of.a
single problem, and stiouid be
handled together... * ;.^'-" k ;&gt;
Anti-bomber defenses are*-'
co-ordinated by theU.S.-Cana-'
dian North American Air De- 1
fense Command (NORAD) but
the agreement specifically
states that it does not commit. .
Canada to participate in ai
#ABM sysem.
1
1 "It is too soon to forecas
[what the U.S. view will.be ret
Igarding the relationship be- !
Tween NORAD and Safeguard,
Quite apart from whether Canada does or does not elect to .,
participate in any aspect of
active ballistic missile defense."
J

The...Globe....&amp;.Mail.,

ICBM attacks'on U.S. mis, ^ : L ••ates in concrete silo$
would involve hundreds of •
ground bursts which produce
large amounts of 'nuclear fallout.
' , , „
"The nature • of fallout 1
caused by .ground-burst nuclear weapons, and the geography and meteorology of
North America, are such tha
a series of ground bursts 11
the northern half of th,
, U.S.A., particularly in the
area of Minuteman bases, is
1 likely to produce heavy fallout
j in Canada," the paper
k warned.
V\ "Consequently, even if Can-

'ada were fortunate enough to
escape the impact of nuclear
weapons over her own territory, we might still have
face the hazards of radioaij
tive fallout' due to nuclei
weapons burst in the U.S.A.
The paper argued that th
explosion of an ABM warhead
would most likely prevent the
ICBM from exploding but
noted that some experts think
the offensive missile could be
programmed to explode when
Jhe defensive one did.
f "Without judging the merits
[of this argument, it will nevertheless be true that, in
'every case, the total damage
to North America would be
less than would have been suffered if the ICBM had burst
where its owners had intended."
The significant risks come
from an offensive ICBM, and
not the defensive ABM, the
paper said. "If an ABM prevents an ICBM from bursting
at its intended point, both
lives and resources have been
saved; if it prevents it from
bursting on the ground, then
the radioactive hazard has
been decreased-, to Canada as
well as the U.S.A., even if the
targets were-all south of the
border."
'The Safeguard ABM system
proposed by U.S. President
(Richard Nixon cannot function
[unless its missiles make their.
{interceptions over Canada, the 1
[paper noted. The United!
bStates, however, has made no]
request to place ABM sites J
north of the border.

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