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Oasis in desert of dreary testimony

Professor criticizes ABM
By TERRANCE WILLS
'

Globe and Mail Correspondent

WASHINGTON — A Harvard law professor yesterday
tried to reduce to layman's
terms some of the complex
arguments surrounding the
proposed U.S. Safeguard antiballistic missile system.
"Just as a matter of plain
common sense, I think it is
very hard to ask the American people to buy a $6.5-billion pig-in-a-poke. If I were

buying a gun to defend my
house against burglars, and
half the gun experts I talked
to told me it wouldn't shoot,
and I knew I couldn't try it
out until the burglars got
there, I think I would start
looking around for some other
way to protect my house,"
Professor Abram Chayes told
the Senate armed services
committee..
The committee has heard
conflicting expert testimony

on whether the system will
work. If it doesn't, '• if the
ABMs do not intercept and
disarm invading. missiles as
they are designed to do, then
the U.S. public would be in no
shape "to write and complain
to the manufacturer," said
Prof Chayes, former legal adviser to the U.S. State Department.
Prof. Chayes' down-to-earth
language was an oasis in a
day of testimony replete with

as $6.5 billion pig-in-a-poke'
scientific jargon. In fact, one
of the technicians guarding
some of the many television
cables running across the
floor of the big committee
room was sufficiently refreshed to glance up from the
adventure magazine which absorbed* him all morning.
The professor's sobering
pricks of humor also helped
' ease some of the stress in the
room brought on by the nature of the subject—nuclear
war—and the controversy that
the proposed Safeguard syst e m has generated on Capitil
T^ill and in the scientific community, which is "currently
so divided on the issue that it
is almost impossible to make
any d e f i n i t i v e statement
which will not generate sincere emotionally heated dispu-.
tation." Dr. Frederick Seitz*
president of the National
Academy of Sciences, told the
committee.

Dr. Seitz, who is also president of Rockefeller University, testified in support of
Safeguard, and said that a
"new level of reliability of
c o m p o n e n t s " had been
achieved that made him think
the ABM system will work.
However, he advocated a continuing test program.
"Are you suggesting we fire
these missiles into Canada to
test them?" Senator Stuart
Symington (D, Missouri) demanded. The nuclear-armed
ABMs would first be deployed
around Minuteman ICBM
bases in Montana and North
Dakota and make most of
their interceptions in Canadian air space.
Dr. Seitz said he was suggesting only that there be continuing tests on the components on testing grounds. One
of the objections of the Safeguard opponents is that the
system can never be really

checked in full until the moment of truth, and that a saturation attack could overcome the defense.
Dr. George Rathjens, a political science professor at the
Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, who along with
Prof. Chayes testified against
Safeguard yesterday, said it
would' take the Russians only
from two' to five months tb
turn out enough new nuclear
warheads to' overcome the
ABM defense.
Senator Symington, former
Secretary of the Air Force
and a member of the national
Security Council' during the
Second World War, leads the
minority element on.the powerful armed services committee opposing safeguard. But
while the committee will almost certainly recommend in
favor of the system, it will
still face an extremely close
vote on the Senate floor.

Senator Symington criticized the cost of the program
yesterday after Dr. Rathjens
told the committee: "The
present proposal is a poor one
on technical, military and economic grounds."
One of the reasons for inflation is the massive spending
on arms "we're putting up for
this military establishment,"
Senator Symington said. "One
of the reasons is that'we have
the professional anti-Communists who in true Christian
spirit say: 'Let's hate them
all.' "
Dr. Albert Wohlstetter, a
mathematician and economist
at the University of Chicago,
who with Dr. Seitz supported
Safeguard, agreed: "The defense budget has a good deal
of fat that can be cut without
substantial harm . . . but the
$8-billion-plus strategic budget
makes up a small part of the
total defense budget."
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Stennis Compromise on ABM HmEed
By JOHN W.FINNEY
Special to Tha New Tort Times

WASHINGTON, April 23 —
Senator John Stennis, chairman of the Senate Armed
Services Committee, showed
signs today of groping around
for a compromise on the missile
defense issue.
The signs were still indistinct, but in the opinion of
some of his colleagues it appeared that the Administration
no longer could count upon
Senator Stennis as a stalwart,
down-the-line supporter of its
proposed Safeguard antiballistic missile system.
As the Armed Services Committee concluded two days of
public hearings, Senator Stennis made clear that he was inclined to proceed with deployment of an ABM system.
But, at the same time, the
Mississippi Democrat appearedto be opening the door for some
significant modifications in the
proposed Safeguard system.
In the opinion of sdme~'of
his colleagues, Senator Stennis
has been shaken in his previous
unquestioning support of the
Safeguard program by a series
of political and technical developments.
In the last two days, the
committee has been exposed
for the first time to the pros
and cons on the ABM issue.
Senator Stennis, in his questioning, has evidenced an interest in the argument raised
by critics that the Safeguard
system was not properly designed to carry out its principal
mission of protecting the
Minuteman missile force.
Redesign Held Possible
This raised the possibility
that the Senator might suggest
some redesign of the Safeguard
system, partly to meet the
technical objections, but more
importantly to bring about
some unity within his committee on the issue.
In his new role as committee
chairman, Senator Stennis. is
-disturbed over the division
•that has developed within his
j committee over the ABM issue
land is worried about the possibility that the committee may
jbe repudiated on the Senate
ifloor if it simply adopts, the
'Administration's proposal without c h a n g e ^
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List on Otslde uExperts
At this point, at least seven
members of the 18-man comIn response to committee inmittee are believed opposed to quiries on what outside experts
the Safeguard system. Rather were consulted by the Pentathan go to the floor with his gon in reaching the Safeguard
ranks so divided, Senator Sten- decision, the Pentagon suliedpp
nis is under considerable pres- a list of 21 members of the
sure to reach some compromise President's Science Advisory
tbat could reunite a t least most Committee who it said were
of the committee.
"repsent at discussion of ABM
In terms of national priori- with Dr. John S. Foster Jr,"
ties, Senator Stennis, like many director of defense research
of the ABM critics, also is and engineering.
increasingly worried about do- 5th &amp; last add missiles 50 w
mestic problems.
In a footnotet o the hearing'
As he pointed out to a reporter during a break in the
day-long hearing, at this point
he is more concerned about the record, the committee noted,
'•campus threat" than the "mis "This meeting was held on
March 17 and 18, although the
sile threat."
decision to proceed with the
Mansfield Proposal
Safeguard was announced on
As a conservative, Senator March 14."
Stennis obviously is disturbed
The Foreign Relations Com
over the involvement of Negro
radicals in the campus protests. mittee continued to build up
But still his line of reasoning its case against the Safeguard
is one that brings hhn closer to sytem oday with a secret briefthe position of Senate majority ing by Richard Helms, direcleader Mike Mansfield, -one - of tor of Central Intelligence, on
the leaders in the ABM opposi- Soviet missile developments,
After the briefing, Senator
tionJ t h a t is that the time has
come to strike a balance be- Albert Gore, who has chal
tween domestic and military leiiged Secretary of Defense
Melvin" ~R. Laird's assessment
needs.
Senator Mansfield, in an in- of the Soviet missile threats
terview, urged the Administra- said, "I see no reason to change
tion to set a "date certain"— my estimate of the situation."
It has been-Senator Gore's
perhaps in early June—for beginning strategic; arms; limita- contention that the United
tion talks with the" Soviet States possesses such a multiplicity of strategic warheads
Union.
I f no progress has beeri made that the Soviet Union could not
in the talks by the end of the) hope to achieve a "first strike
capability," as contended by
Mr. Laird.
year, he said, then there will
The core statement,'obviously
be."more justification" for pro- reflecting assessments offered:
ceeding with an ABM system. by Mr. Helms, provided a furImplicit in his suggestion ther hint of the division within
intelligence-military com
was a possible compromise for. the
munity-over the potential So
the Administration, namely au- viet military threat.
thorization of the system but , The same division developed
a delay in its deployment until amo'ng I r a d e m i r e ^ e r t s " testi
it is seen whether the Russians ^ g b e f o r e ^ A r m e d S e r v i c e s
are interested in a limitation Committee.
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gestion was a signal to the science at the Massachusetts
Administration that it might be Institute of Technology, and Arrisking a serious, political de- ram Chayes, Harvard Law
feat in the Senate if it refused School professor — both ABM
opponents—-afcJ br. Frederick
to compromise.
. Contending that the ariti- Seitz, the retiring president of
ABM forces were "gaining the National Academy of Scistrength;" Senator Mansfield ences, and Dr. Albert Wholstetpredicted that the issue would ter, professor of economics at
be determined by one or two, the Uinversity of Chicago, both
at the most three, votes. An ABM supporters.;
Administration victory by such
a narrow margin, he observed,
would be of "little consequence."
The Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, a stronghold of the
ABM opposition, meanwhile
caught the Defense Department
in what some members regarded as a deception in presentation of its case for the Safeguard system.

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