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FM NATO D E C 1 4 / 67 SECRET NO RPT NO STANDARD
TO TT EXTER 2 8 5 6 DE LDN
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REF OURTEL 2 8 1 3 DEC8
NDAC MTG DEC12
AS ANTICIPATED,THE NDAC MTG DID NOT RPT NOT BREAK NEW GROUND BL
RATHER PROVIDED OPPORTUNITY FOR NPG MINISTERS TO INFORM THEIR
COLLEAGUES IN NDAC OF DEVELOPMENTS IN NPG DURING FIRST YEAR OF
ITS EXISTENCE.
2,NITZE(REPLACING MCNAMARA)LED OFF ON STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WEAPONS
AND,IN RECALLING WASHDC AGREED MINUTE.CLEARLY INTENDED TO
REASSURE NDAC MEMBERS OF THE ABILITY OF THE USA TO DETER ANY LARGE
SCALE ATTACK BY THE USSR,HE CONFIRMED THAT CONCLUSION IN WASHDC
MINUTE ON THIS SUBJ VAS STILL VALID.HE COMPARED IN DETAILED BUT
FAMILIAR TERMS TKE SIZE OF USA AND USSR ICBM FORCES.COMPARISON
•5H8WED THAT DESPITE A DEFINITE ACCELERATION OF CONSTRUCTION OF
ICBM SITES IN USSR THAT USA WOULD MAINTAIN ITS SUPERIORITY AND I T S
ASSURED DESTRUCTION CAPABILITY.
3.NITZE NOTED THAT CONSTRUCTION OF ABM SYSTEM AROUND MCOW WAS
CONTINUING AND MIGHT BE PARTLY OPERATIONAL NEXT YEAR.LATE ST INFO
USA HAD ON TALIN SYSTEM WAS THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DEFEND AGAINST
HIGH PERFORMANCE AIRCRAFT AND STAND OFF BQMBS.NITZE REVIEWED THE
FOBS QUESTION BUT DID NOT RPT NOT ADD NEW INFO.HE ALSO REVIEWED THS
ATTEMPTS MADE BY USA TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH USSR ON STRATiC fvRMS LIMITATION,AND NOTED THAT SINCE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN
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PAGE TWO 2 8 5 6 SECRET NO RPT NO STAffcARD
RUSK AND GROMYKOIN NY ON SEP25.USA HAD HEARD NOTHING FROM USSR.
4.KEALEY CONCLUDED FROM NITZES REMARKS THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT
ALLIES OF USA COULD HAVE MO RPT NO DOUBT OF THE ABILITY OF USA
TO GIVE EUROPE ALL TKE NUCLEAR PROTECTION IT REQUIRED.HEALEY THEN
REVIEWED AS DISCUSSION LEADER THE ABM QUESTION ON BASIS OF STAFF
PAPER ON ABMS AND DISCUSSIONS AT ANKRA*HE REMARKED THAT SINCE
USA ABM SYSTEM HAD A MARGINAL CAPABILITY TO PROTECT USA MISSILE
SITES THIS MIGHT HELP TO CONFIRM THAT USA WOULD COME TO EUROPES
AID.ON THE OTHER HAND,SINCE USA POPULATION WOULD OBTAIN SOME
PROTECTION FROM ABM SYSTEM,THERE COULD BE A WORRY THAT QUOTE
MAG INOT UNQUOTE MENTALITY MIGHT DEVELOP IN USA.ONE NEW POINT WHICH
HEALEY

ADDED WAS THAT FROM THE USSR POINT OF VIEW IT WOULD BE

JiARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN DEPLOYMENT IN EUROPE OF AN ABM SYSTEM
AND AN IRBM SYSTEM.THE APPEARANCE OF THE MISSILES WOULD BE VERY
SIMILAR AND ONCE BUILT AND DEPLOYED,IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT
TO CONVINCE USSR THAT THEY WERE NOT OFFENSIVE WEAPONS.HE CONCLUDED
HOPING THAT THE ABM DEPLOYMENT WOULD NOT RPT NOT PREVENT USA
FROM CONTINUING TO TRY TO DISCUSS STRATEGIC ARMS LIMITATION
XA USSR.THE ONLY OTHER SPEAKER UNDER ABM ITEM WAS THE ITALIAN
USTEft WHO REITERATED WHAT HE HAD SAID IN ANKRA*
5 . O S ADMSiTHE TURKISH MINISTER SPOKE BRIEFLY IN SAME VEIN AS HE
HAD AT ANKRAfAND WAS SUPPORTED BY THE GREEK MINISTER.
DN TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS GERMAN MINISTER TOUCHED ON TWO
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EUDIES ALREADY UNDERTAKEN"PftDERBORN AND SCHLESWIGKOLSTEIN.W NOTED THAT THESE TVO STUDIES DID NOT RPT NOT PROVIDE
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PAGE THREE 2 8 5 6 SECRET NO RPT NO STANDARD
A BASIS FOR DEVELOPING A CONCEPT FOR TACTICAL EMPLOYMENT OF NUVLEAR
WEAPONS BUT GERMAN AUTHORITIES HAD COME TO SOME TENTATIVE CONCLUSIONS AND HE TOUCHED OM THOSE CONTAINED IN SUMMARY PAPER
2 1 - 0 5 - 3 / 2 2 / 6 7 OF SEP! 1/67.ITALIAN MINISTER THEN REVIEWED THE
OCEDURAL ARRANGEMENTS HIS AUTHORITIES HAD MADE FOR TACTICAL NUCLEAR
VEAPON STUDIES ON THE SOUTHERN FLANK IN COOPERATION VITH TURKEY *
AND GREECE.MR CADIEUX INTERVENED AT THIS POINT AND VE HAVE SENT
TEXT OF HIS REMARKS IN OURTEL 2 8 5 2 DEC12.NITZE OF USA SAID THAT
HE AGREED TO WHAT THE CDN MINISTER HAD SAID AND THAT HE FELT THAT
STUDIES UNDERVAY VERE NECESSARY FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
|B0TH POLITICAL AND MILITARY FACTORS RELATING TO POSSIBLE USE OF
TACTICAL NUCLEAR VEAPQNS.
EJESTION OF NATL PARTICIPATION IN MILITARY NUCLEAR PLANNING
ITIONED BY ITALIAN MINISTER VHO NOTED THAT THIS SUBJ WAS
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CONSIDERED BY THE MILITARY CTTEE.HE SAID ITALIAN REP

ED MAKE SUGGESTIONS IN THAT FORUM.BROSIO CONCLUDED DISCUSSION
I REPORT BY NDAC BY NOTING STATUS OF VORK ON OTHER STUDIES.
E.ON THE QUESTION OF CONSULTATION ON POSSIBLE USE OF NUCLEAR

,

_POHS,THE ITALIAN MINISTER,VHOSE DEL HAD INSISTED THAT THE SUBJ *
INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA,REVIEVED T*€ EFFORTS OF THE SPECIAL
CTTEE OF DEFENCE MINISTERS AND URGED THAT ATTN BE GIVEN TO DEVELOPMENT OF PROCEDURES FOR CONSULTATION ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS INCLUDING
POSSIBILITY OF ANNOUNCING POLITICAL STATES OF VIGILANCE.
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AND SOME OTHER MINISTERS FELT THAT MORE PROGRESS SHOULD HAVE
E MADE OVER PAST YEAR •THE NETHERLANDS MINISTER FELT THAT THIS
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E FOUR 2 8 5 6 SECRET NO RPT NO STANDARD
)J SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY NDAC DIRECTLY AND NOT RPT NOT
BEFOKEHAND BY NPG.NITZE FOR USA FELT THAT NPG SHOULD ALSO HAVE
A)&lt;ROLE AND AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION,IT VAS AGREED THAT TKE NPG
VOULD LOOK AT TJ£ QUESTION FROM BOTH I T S PROCEDURAL AND SUBSTANTIVE
ASPECTS AND WOULD REPORT TO THE NDACjAND IN ANY EVENT THE ITEM
iLD REMAIN ON FUTURE AGENDAS FOR THE NDAC.
S.THE NDAC CONCLUDED BY AGREEING TO THE COMMUNIQUE SENT REFTEL*
IO„XT MAY BE OF SOME INTEREST THAT APART FROM THE TURKISH
EISTER,WHOSE COUNTRY HAS BEEN AN NPG MEMBER AND A BRIEF INTERTION BY BELGIAN MINISTER ON THE CONSULTATION ITEM.THE NONWPG MEMBERS OF THE NDAC DID NOT RPT NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE
DISCUSSION(NORWAY DENMARK PROTUGAL BELGIUM AND TURKEY).

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