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INFO LDN EMBPARIS NATOPARIS DISARMDELGVA CFHQ
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BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENCE
FOLLOWING ARE EXTRACTS FROM SEC OF DEFENSE MCNAMARAS PRESS CQNFE«
RENCE YESTERDAY*QUESTION?MR SECRETARY.WHILE IT SEEMS TO ME BIGGEST
PSNDXNG BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF VIETNAMESE WAR IS ANTI-MISSILE DE»
CISION,COULD YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA OF STATUS OF TALKS WITH RUSSIANS,,
AND IF THEY ARE NOT RPT NOT SATISFACTORYjWILL YOU RESCIND YOUR OPFO*
SITION TO AF3TI*BALGISTIC MISSILES SYSTEMS7SEC MCNAMARA:FIRST*
LET ME NAKE CLEAR ADMINS POSITION,PARTICULARLY AS IT IS REFLEC"
TED IN DEFENSE PROGRAM FOR FISCAL 689PROGRAM NOW LYING BEFORE CONGRESS* JS I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW,WE HAVE BEEN CARRYING ON A VERY
EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM ON ANTI~BALLISTIC
SYSTEMS FOR SEVERAL YEARS*WE HAVE SPENT TO DATE ABOUT FOUR 3ILLI0N
DOLLARS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA*WE ARE SPENDING
AT RATE OF ABOUT DOLLARS 500 MILLION A YEAR AT PRESENT TIME.
WE PROPOSE TO CONTINUE THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM REGARDLESS OF ANY DECISION WE MAKE RELATING TO PRODUCTION AND
DEPLOYMENT OF SYSTEM*SECONDLY*OHERE IS INCLUDED IN FISCAL 68
DEFENSE BUDGET A REQUEST FOR DOLLARS 377 MILLION OF APPROPRIATIONS FOR POSSIBLE DEPLOYMENT OF AN ANTI-BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM*
TKIRDLY,WE DO NOT RPT NOT NOW PLAN TO PRODUCE OR DEPLOY SUCH A
SYSTEM*'WE ARE HOPING TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIET UNION

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TO LIMIT DEPLOYMENT OF SUCH SYSTEMS,IF SUCH DISCUSSIONS PROVE UNSUCCESSFUL,!^ WILL WISH TO RECONSIDER OUR PRESENT DECISION NOT RPT NOT
TO DEPLOY AND AT THAT TIME WE MIGHT WISH TO UNDERTAKE A LTD DEPLOYMENT, FOR 1EXAMPLE~~F0R PROTECTION OF OUR OFFENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEMS*
FOR POSSIBLE PROTECTION OF MINUTEMAN SILOSjWHETHER OR NOT RPT NOT
DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIETS WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN LIMITING THEIR ACTION
AND OURSjI CANT SAY.I CAN TELL YOU THAT STUDIES WE HAVE MADE SO
FAR CAST DOUBT ON ABILITY OF ANIHDXLTEM TO PROTECT OUR POPULATION AGAINST A SOVIET ATTACK».QUESTIONsMR SECRETARYjTHERE
WAS A THEORY THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY ABOUT WHAT CITIES WOULD
BE PROTECTED*I WONDER IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON WHICH OF THE 50
MIGHT BE LEFT OUT7SEC MCNAMARASSILENCE,I GUESS.IS BEST ANSWER
TO THAT.PERHAPS I SHOULD STAND ON THAT.AT RISK OF CREATING A CONTROVERSYpLET ME RESPOND MORE FULLY,IN MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS IN
CLASSIFIED STATEMENT I DISCUSSED TWO ALTERNATIVE ANTI-BALLISTIC
MISSILE SYSTEMS FOR USA,TWO AMONG SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES WE HAD STU~
DIED^ACH OF THESE WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR POPULATION AGAINST A.SOVIET ATTACK*ONE WAS WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A LIGHT DEFENSE OF
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POPULATION FOR THAT PURPOSE,AND OTHER WAS A HEAVIER DEFENSE*
IN UNCLASSIFIED STATEMENT FIRST WAS DESCRIBED AS POSTURE A AND
SECOND AS POSTURE B«.IT WAS STATED IN MY STATEMENT THAT PMSTURE A
COVERED _X CITIES AND POSTURE B TWO X ' C I T I E S , I T WAS FURTHER STATED
THAT POSTURE A WOULD COST,BASED ON PRESENT ESTIMATES AND INCLUDING
COMPLEMENTERY CHANGES IN AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM,PERHAPS DOLLARS
12 BILLION AND POSTURE B PERHAPS DOLLARS 22 BILLION TO INSTALL,

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ALTHOUGH

I POINTED OUT THAT THESE WERE PR0BA3LY UNDERESTIMATES,

UNDERSTATEMENTS,THAT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE ANY NEW COMPLICA**• —

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TED WEAPONS SYSTEM WAS LIKELY TO COST 50 PERCENT MORE THAN
INITIAL ESTIMATES,SO I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD ADD 50 PERCENT TO
EACH OF THOSE FIGURES AND THEN YOU SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT NEITHER
IS A STABLE CONDITION,BECAUSE POSTURE^ A, ACTUALLY,AS DID POSTURE B,
CONSISTED OF TWO ELEMENTS,ONE IS AN AREA DEFENSE PROVIDING IN
EFFECT A THIN LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO ENTIRE COUNTRY,AND OTHER
ELEMENT IS A POINT DEFENSE OF PARTICULAR CENTERS OF POPULATION.
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POSTURE A COVERED 25 CENTERS AND POSTURE B COVERED AN ADDITIONAL
25 OR A TOTAL OF 50 CENTERS.OF COURSE,NEITHER POSTURE COVERED
SOME ADDITIONAL 100 CITIES OF OVER 100,000 POPULATION.I THINK IT IS
VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP WITH EITHER POSTURE
A OR POSTURE B BECAUSE CITIZENS IN OTHER PARTS OF COUNTRY,PARTICULARLY CITIZENS IN 100 CITIES NOT RPT NOT COVERED BY EITHER
WOULD CERTAINLY ASK FOR EQUAL PROTECTION.CITIES COVERED IN VARIOUS
CATEGORIES CAN BE ILLUSTRATED BY THESE?IN POSTURE A WERE COVERED NY,LNGLS CHICAGO PHILA FOR EXAMPLE*IN POSTURE B,IT ADDED SUCH
CITIES AS SFRAN SANDIEGO SANBSRNARDIO TACOMA.IN POSTURE A M I TIES IN 20 STATES WERE COVERED AND CITIES IN 30 STATES RECEIVED
NO RPT NO PROTECTION*IN POSTURE B,CITIES IN AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN
STATES WERE COVERED WHICH SIMPLY MEANT POSTURE B PROVIDED NO RPT
NO POINT DEFENSE OF CITIES IN SOME 23 STATES,SUCH CITIES AS SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA WERE NOT RPT NOT COVERED;FORTHWORTH BIRMINGHAM

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ALABAMA SALTLAKECITY RICHMOND VIRGINIA NASHVILLE TENNESSEE
LANSING MICHIGAN SAVANNAH GEORGIA ETC.FOR THAT REASON,I THEN WENT
ON TO ADD IN MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS THAT I BELIEVED THAT COST
OF DEPLOYING AN ANTI«BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM WOULD APPROXIMATE
DOLLARS 40 BILLION,THAT WAS MY BELIEF AND IT I S MY BELIEF*
THESE ARE TENTATIVE PLAN.THEY DONT REPRESENT EXACT PATTERN OF DEPLOYMENT THAT WE WOULD INITIATE,WERE WE TO UNDERTAKE EITHER A
LIGHT DEFENSE OF OUR POPULATION AGAINST SOVIET ATTACK OR A HEAVIER DEFENSE OF OUR POPULATION AGAINST SOVIET ATTACK*

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