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ENDC:272TH PLENARY MTG-JUL 12
REPS OF CDA(TEXT BY AIR),CZECH AND BULGARIA SPOKE ON GCD AND PARTIAL
MEASURES TO DEAL WITH NUCLEAR THREAT.ITALIAN SOVIET POLISH AND USA
REPS COMMENTED ON ESTABLISHMENT OF WORKING GROUP(WG)TO DISCUSS
REDUCTION OF NWVS.EXCHANGE OCCURRED ON VIETNAM BETWEEN USSR AND USA.
ITALY ALSO DISCUSSED NONPROLIFERATION.ENDC AGREED TO COCHAIRMENS
RECOMMENDATION ON AGENDA AS FOLLOWStNEXT FOUR MTGS ON NONPROLIFERATION;FOUR MTGS THEREAFTER ON OTHER COLLATERAL MEASURES;TWO MTGS
THEREAFTER ON GCD.
2 . 1 SAID GCD REMAINED BASIC GOAL OF WORK OF ENDC.UAR STATEMENT ON
THIS SUBJECT AT LAST MTG WAS INTERESTING AND THOUGHTFUL.CLEAR RESULT
OF SITUATION UAR REP DESCRIBED WAS THAT FEW NOW BELIEVED IT POSSIBLE
TO DISPOSE OF ALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND NWVS AS FIRST STEP TOWARDS GCD.
IT WAS ALSO REASON WHY CDA DID NOT RPT NOT FAVOUR PROPOSAL FOR CONFERENCE TO SIGN CONVENTION BANNING USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.ONLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO DEAL WITH NUCLEAR THREAT WAS BY BALANCED MEASURES
OF ARMS CONTROL WHICH COULD BE VERIFIED—NOT RPT NOT MERE VERBAL
UNDERTAKINGS.CDA WOULD WELCOME ESTABLISHMENT OF WORKING GROUP
WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS WHICH COULD CONSIDER INTER ALIA UAR SUGGESTIONS
3.TURNING TO PARTIAL MEASURES I AGREED WITH MEXICAN COMMENT THAT

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PARTIAL UNDERGROUND TEST BAN SHOULD NOT RPT NOT NECESSARILY BE
LINKED WITH MORATORIUM.CDA SUPPORTED GOAL OF COOPERATION IN SEISMIC
MATTERS AND WAS PREPARED TO PURSUE EFFORTS WITH OTHER INTERESTED
PARTIES IN LINE WITH VALUABLE INITIATIVES TAKEN BY SWEDEN RECOGNIZING THAT RECHNICAL CAPABILITIES HAD IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY IN
IDENTIFYING UNDERGROUND SEISMIC EVENTS.WE WERE GLAD TO NOTE BOTH
USA AND USSR HAD EXPRESSED POSITIVE INTEREST IN THIS SORT OF
INTERNATL COOPERATION.USSR HAD SUGGESTED FACT USA HAD NUCLEAR
TESTING PROGRAM PLANNED FOR FUTURE IMPLIED THEY WOULD NOT RPT NOT
AGREE TO TEST BAN TILL PROGRAM COMPLETED;BUT MERE EXISTENCE OF
PLANS DID NOT RPT NOT MEAN THEY HAD TO BE CARRIED OUT.ENDC WAS
TRYING TO FIND CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH SUCH TESTS COULD BE STOPPED
BY AGREEMENT.AFTER NOTING INTERESTING NONALIGNED SUGGESTIONS RE
CTB,I COMMENTED ON SWEDISH VERIFICATION BY CHALLENGE PROPOSAL
ALONG LINES SUGGESTED YOURTEL N163 JUN2.SWEDISH REP HAD CLARIFIED
NUMBER OF PREVIOUSLY HAZY CONCEPTS AND SORTED THEM INTO COHERENT
PATTERN WHICH SHOULD PROVIDE USEFUL BASIS FOR DISCUSSION.CTB WOULD
HAVE TO CONTAIN STEP BY STEP APPROACH WHERE UNCLEAR EVENTS
REQUIRED CLARIFICATION.UNDERGROUND TEST BAN TREATY SHOULD BE
SEPARATE DOCU FROM 1963 PARTIAL BAN.THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME
PROBLEMS TO BE OVERCOME IN SWEDISH APPROACH,WE FELT IT COULD
ULTIMATELY FORM INITIAL STEPS OF VERIFICATION SYSTEM.IN THIS CONNECTION I NOTED SWEDISH EXPLANATION THAT VERIFICATION BY CHALLENGE
WAS NOT RPT NOT PRESENTED AS ALTERNATIVE FOR ON-SITE INSPECTION.

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ON THIS BASIS CONCEPT COULD BE DISCUSSED,DEVELOPED,MODIFIED IF
REQUIRED AND WORKED INTO FRAMEWORK OF EVENTUAL UNDERGROUND TEST BAN.
4.1 THEN COMMENTED ON PRESENT RISK THAT ROUGH POWER BALANCE MIGHT
BE UPSET THROUGH RACE TO DEVELOP MORE ELABORATE WEAPON SYSTEMS
PARTICULARLY ABMS AND QUOTED APPROPRIATE SECTION OF PMS JUN25 SPEECH
IN SCARBOROUGH.USA SEC MCNAMARA IN MAY18 MONTREAL SPEECH HAD ALSO
RECOGNIZED FACT NATION COULD REACH POINT AT WHICH IT DID NOT RPT
NOT BUY MORE SECURITY SIMPLY BY BUYING MORE HARDWARE.ONE WAY TO
DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM WAS THROUGH USA PROPOSAL FOR FREEZE ON
NUMBERS AND CHARACTERISTICS OF NWVS COUPLED WITH POSSIBLE REDUCTION
OF SUCH VEHICLES.WE ONLY REQUIRED INDICATION FROM USSR IT WAS
PREPARED TO WORK OUT MEANS OF DEALING WITH DANGEROUS SITUATION.
5.REPS OF CZECH AND BULGARIA DISCUSSED GCD IN FAMILIAR TERMS,
REFERRING TO SWEDISH PROPOSAL TO INITIATE DISCUSSION ON STAGE III
OF GCD AND TO QUOTE INTERESTING THOUGHTS UNQUOTE SUBMITTED BY UAR.
AFTER COMMENTING ON PROHIBITION OF USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND
ESTABLISHMENT OF NUCLEAR FREE ZONES IN STANDARD FASHION,CZECH
TURNED TO NUCLEAR TESTING.INTER ALIA HE SUGGESTED IT WOULD BE IN
INTEREST OF ALL STATES WHEN CTB SIGNED NOT RPT NOT TO DO ANYTHING
WHICH COULD LEAD TO DENUNCIATION OF TREATY BY ANOTHER STATE.RISK
OF BEING CAUGHT CHEATING WAS TOO GREAT FOR STATE TO UNDERTAKE THAT
RISK.EVEN IF ONE UNDERGROUND TEST WENT UNDETECTED IT WOULD HAVE NO
RPT NO MILITARY VALUE;ONLY SERIES OF TESTS WOULD HAVE SUCH VALUE
AND SERIES WOULD NOT RPT NOT GO UNDETECTED.FINALLY CZECH REFERRED
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TO RECENT BUCHAREST DECLARATION BY WSAW PACT ON HOLDING PAN
EUROPEAN CONFERENCE ON PEACE AND SECURITY IN EUROPE.
6.CAVALLETTI FIRST REITERATED WESTERN SUPPORT FOR ESTABLISHMENT
OF WG ON NWVS;SOLE OBSTACLE WAS SOVIET INSISTANCE WG SHOULD
DISCUSS ONLY ITS PROPOSALS.LATER ROSHCHIN SUPPORTED BY POLISH REP
SAID SEVERAL YEARS AGO WORKING GROUP UNDER COCHAIRMEN HAD CONSIDERED
GCD TREATY WITH NIL RESULTS.WHEN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO SIDES WAS
SO GREAT POLITICAL DECISION WAS REQUIRED BEFORE ESTABLISHMENT OF
WG.IN ADDITION ROSHCHIN SAID WORLD CIRCUMSTANCES TODAY WERE NOT
RPT NOT PROPITIOUS FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF WG,MENTIONING INCREASE IN
MILITARY BUDGET OF USA BY 15 BILLION DOLLARS AND VIETNAM SITUATION.
ESTABLISHMENT OF WG IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD ONLY MISLEAD PUBLIC
OPINION.USA REP(BU(NN,REPLACING FOSTER WHO HAS RETURNED TO WASHDC)
RECALLED WG IN 1964 HAD BEEN PROPOSED BY USSR ON CONDITION ONLY
ITS PROPOSALS WERE CONSIDERED.WEST WOULD HAVE AGREED THEN AND
WOULD AGREE TODAY TO WG IF IT COULD DISCUSS PROPOSALS OF BOTH SIDES.
ON VIETNAM HE SAID USSR HAD NOT RPT NOT FULFILLED ITS RESPONSIBILITIES,HAVING FAILED TO AGREE TO CONVENE GNEVA CONFERENCE AS
SUGGESTED RECENTLY BY INDIA.ROSHCHIN REPLIED ENDC WAS NOT RPT NOT
CALLED ON TO DISCUSS VIETNAM;USA CRITICISM OF USSR WAS MERELY
ATTEMPT TO COVER UP USA AGGRESSION.USA COULD STOP WAR AT ANY TIME.
7.DURING HIS INTERVENTION ITALIAN REP ALSO DEALT WITH NONPROLIFERATION.HE SUGGESTED DETAILED COMPARISON OF TWO TEXTS AS PROPOSED BY
ITALY AND CDA MIGHT WELL LEAD TO AGREEMENT NOT RPT NOT JUST ON MINOR
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POINTS.TWO TEXTS WERE VERY CLOSE ON PROHIBITING FABRICATION BY NON
NUCLEAR STATE AND PROVISION OF INFO FOR FABRICATION BY NUCLEAR
STATE TO NONNUCLEAR STATE.RECENT EXCHANGES HAD DEMONSTRATED EAST
RECOGNIZED STABILISING ROLE AT PRESENT OF ALLIANCES;BUT IT WAS
NOT RPT NOT CLEAR WHAT SORT OF CONSULTATION WITHIN ALLIANCES THEY
COULD ACCEPT.HE SUGGESTED USSR MIGHT HAVE NO RPT NO OBJECTION TO
CONSULTATIONS ON USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.RE SOVIET SUGGESTIONS FOR
TREATY ARTICLE ALONG LINES OF KOSYGIN PROPOSAL,ITALY FELT THIS
SHOULD ONLY BE FOR THOSE STATES WHICH SOUGHT SUCH ASSURANCES.THERE
WAS NEED FOR WIDER SYSTEM WHICH,WITHOUT AFFECTING STATUS OF NON
ALIGNED,WOULD PROVIDE COLLECTIVE GUARANTEE BY ALL NUCLEAR STATES
IN CASE OF NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL.IN CONSIDERING THIS POINT,JOHNSON
PROPOSAL AND POSSIBLE ROLE FOR UN SHOULD NOT RPT NOT BE RULED OUT.

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