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DISARMAMENT--NUCLEAR TEST DETECTION

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WE HAD OPPORTUNITY YESTERDAY TO ASK DEPALMA ABOUT PURPOSES OF
PROPOSED VISIT TO OTT OF USA GROUP WHICH HAS INDICATED DESIRE TO
DISCUSS NUCLEAR TEST DETECTION.IN DOING THIS WE HAD IN MIND THAT
LAST SUMMER WHEN SIMILAR GROUP,INCLUDING TIM3ERLAKE AND BARBER,
VISITED SCANDINAVIA THEY APPEARED INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHMENT OF
NETWORK OF LASA TYPE INSTALLATIONS,THIS IDEA,WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE
RECEDED IN RECENT MONTHS^VAS ONE WHICH APPEARED TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL
POLITICAL DRAWBACKS AND WE WONDERED WHETHER THERE MIGHT BE SOME
ATTEMPT TO REVIVE IT IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER ON EVE OF NDC MTG IN
STKHM*
2*DEPALMA SAID USA VOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN LASA TYPE NETWORK
I F IT WAS FEASIBLE BUT THERE WAS NOW GREATER AWARENESS OF TECHNICAL,
FINANCIAL AS WELL AS POLITICAL PROBLEMS INV0LVED*3ECAUSE OF THIS.
THEIR PRIMARY INTEREST FOR MOMENT WAS TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT ANY
COURSE OF ACTION DECIDED ON IN STKHM WOULD PRODUCE TECHNICAL RESULTS
COMPATIBLE WITH NEW ARRAY IN MONTANA AND OTHERS LIKE IT WHICH MIGHT
SUBSEQUENTLY BE CONSTRUCTED*IF PROPOSED NUCLEAR DETECTION CLUB WAS
TO HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC VALUE FOR USA DATA IT PRODUCED WOULD HAVE TO
BE SUITABLE FOR ASSIMILATION WITH THAT OBTAINED FROM LASA INSTALLAI cc 2

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TIONS*DEPALMA SUGGESTED THEREFORE THAT DISCUSSIONS IN OTT NEXT WEEK
WOULD BE PRIMARILY OF TECHNICAL NATURE AND WE WILL BE INTERESTED TO
HEAR FROM YOU WHETHER IN FACT THIS I S CASE.
3 . I N COURSE OF CONVERSATION WE ASKED DEPALMA WHETHER USA REALLY
WANTED COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN*HE REPLIED FRANKLY QUOTE NOT RPT NOT
NOW PROBABLY LATER UNQUOTE*HE THEN WENT ON TO SAY HOWEVER THAT IF
USSR SHOULD SUDDENLY ACCEPT ON-SITE INSPECTIONS USA VOULD PROBABLY
FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE NOT RPT NOT TO CONCLUDE COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN
IMMEDLY*ASSUMING THAT CURRENT USA DIFFICULTIES WITH COMPREHENSIVE
TEST BAN WERE RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT OF ABM SYSTEM WE ASKED DEPALMA
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN COURSE OF TWELVE MONTH PERIOD WHICH WOULD MAKE
IT EASIER FOR USA TO SIGN A COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY THAN IT
WAS NOW.IT SEEMED TO US THAT EVEN IF NO RPT NO DECISION TO PROCEED
WITH DEVELOPMENT OF ABM SYSTEM WAS MADE THERE WOULD BE CONTINUING
DESIRE TO KEEP OPEN SUCH POSSIBILITY FOR INDEFINITE FUTURE.DEPALMA
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THIS WAS CORRECT TO SOME EXTENT BUT SAID INTEREST
AND PRESSURE FOR SOMETHING LIKE ABM SYSTEM TENDED TO GO IN CYCLES.
MATTER WAS UNDER INTENSIVE CONSIDERATION AT MOMENT BUT A YEAR FROM
NOW PRESSURE MIGHT WELL BE CONSIDERABLY DIMINISHED.
4.DEPALMA WENT ON TO SAY THAT EVEN IF PRESSURE FOR ABM SYSTEM SHOULD
BE REDUCED IN FUTURE.USA DISARMAMENT OFFICIALS WOULD STILL HAVE
DIFFICULT TASK TO OVERCOME OBJECTIONS TO COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN IN
CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF USA ADMIN.ONE OF THEIR MAJOR WEAPONS IN THIS
FIGHT WOULD BE ABILITY TO DEMONSTRATE GROWING USA CAPABILITYCBASED
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ON ITS OWN FACILITIES PLUS ANY OTHERS IT COULD DRAW ONHO DETECT AND
IDENTIFY UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS*IT WAS NOT RPT NOT EXPECTED
THAT 100 PERCENT ASSURANCE WOULD EVER BE ACHIEVED BUT SMALLER THE
MARGIN OF DOUBT GREATER POSSIBILITY THERE WOULD BE OF POLITICAL CON*
SIDERATIONS IN FAVOUR OF COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TIPPING BALANCE*IN
PREPARATION FOR MORE FAVOURABLE CLIMATE ON THIS SUBJECT,USA WAS
INTERESTED IN CREATION OF FURTHER LASA TYPE INSTALLATIONS AND WAS
SEEKING AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IN
SITUATIONS WHERE THIS WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE AND DESIRABLESOR SAME
REASON USA HAD CONTINUING INTEREST IN NUCLEAR DETECTION CLUB CONCEPT
PARTICULARLY IF THERE COULD BE SOME ASSURANCE THAT SCIENTIFIC DATA
PRODUCED BY CLUB WOULD BE TECHNICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THAT WHICH
USA WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE FROM LASA SOURCES
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