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Weapons Will Remain onlAleri^MmbersJi * "'" v "ByR Jeffrey Smith ; a / Eg *4 ,The Department of Defense yes^S^feyk terday said it would not remove short-range, nuclear«tipped missiles from 'strategic aircraft on war :S^feft,,i "alert" before the Air Force completes a special study on the possibility that they might explode in an aircraft fire.' i' < • - ••<•.< < The decision to maintain ShortRange/Attack • Missiles-A, or « 3 t e l h W ,<• iSRAM-As, on B-1, B-52 and FB111 strategic bombers readv for .taKeott on snort notice at Air Force ..bases.came after directors „of the three U.S. nuclear weapons' labo? ratories urged that the weapons be withdrawn from service and placed in storage,' >.; ; y•-• ,„y M •The scientists have expressed strong concerns that an accidental ! aircraft fire will cause a SRAM-A to »*,«««&£? | explode, likely dispersing a fine dust £S<&M V4 JAMES D. WATKINS ' S & | 2 of cancer-causing/radioactive pluv . givss'lot of cwUt"toCheney ^ tonium or uranium from the core of .U s k w t t klU-.-S&teu&iixisjii' -£3 the W-69 nuclear warhead at .the „t L ,g. ';•'•' y' ••' 5" weapon's tip a > .^^ "'should be reconsidered In light oi Two such 'accidents in the 1960s /C e ? 3in « tV&&&*Wl!&tonJ **& 19608.,,. & ? * £ * « A 4i M £$ involving a different nuclear war- *,l5«ons head carried by U.S. strategic «*«PAnother senior ,defense .official; bombers cost millions of dollars to •'• who insisted on anonymity, similarj ' g ly accused the laboratory directors' cleanup. i.« : ' DOD spokesman Pete Williams Ji of making ipeat^of-the-pants risk : ;.'.benefit calculations" that were in-* told reporters at the Pentagon that the SRAM-A "meets all our current ^'appropriate before the SRAM-A; safety standards" and "it would be safety study wgs completed. "Ev-: unwise and premature to predict "'eryone is entitled to their view of the outcome of that [safety* study '.rhavihg those weapons on alert air-* and to make any decisions now be- • craft, but the lab directors' views' fore it's done" later this summer. are certainly not authoritative," said Undersecretary of Energy John "the official, -who deals regularly • Tuck expressed a similar view Wed- "with the topic, t f j f l ^M$$M nesday, although he added rhat his ;,• "There is one very real area'«.. agency was "going" in the direction gconcern" involving nuclear weaponS^ of the scientists' recommendation. ' -•safety, the official said,"and that 18. The Energy Department and the ',: the slowdown in [weapons] produ£, Defense Department share formal gtion in the DOE complex [which haj' responsibility for,nuclear weapons delayed] the Introduction of bombj; safety, a topic on which the direc- ; with modem safety features." He* tors of nuclear weapons laborato- g;was referring to environmental M& ries in Los Alamos",' N.M.; Albuquer ^safety hazards that have forced cl<£j..' 'for ^weapcinC que, N.M., and Livermore, Calif./,' sure.-,.,of. a.._key - plant - V^TV; ^^-••« seire as advisers. ? AQO « f n $ -i'Parts near Denver.K ViO fcS8ffl • jwiuimuj i i u p i h j c u -uic aLieu-*"'.' ysf v.'aii—....- J J ^ I ^ ^ J ^ . t Pentagon to'JAws ,;A-Missile Study .—.-^- • "ijj ii I safer method of open •^maintenance ch^ | But other officials h. jthe Pentagon "v | mentioning the SRAiv Sin a joint DOE-DOD i o\ cWJiite House on nuci. wcdj*. eapc pgfety, and also opposed estabii: frment of a special safety committ /proposed by Secretary of Ener. 'James D. Watkins' becaust of t /SRAM-A dispute, , "There were a lot.of-presaun about that" -from the Pentago Watkins said in an interview earli< : thtfe week. "But mostly it came fro: low level [officials] faceless'bureai cr|ts. You get down about the sixt level [at the Pentagon] and the •hate DOE, even the third lew He said, he we ;r, that Secretar of'Defense chard B. Chene; eventually cothe safet; report and d bt of credit for approving the safet n nit } »!«• * T r tists' unanimous recommendation ,£time some of the procedures'tli as an expression of "personal opin-f-thave been established, by the ion" that reflected more than "the'tilP?T™ *f» tec^at year* to impro scientific questions" invoryf—'"•rf— >(L " SRAM-A.g A ^ " - J r a $ One of the three" scientists" had 'I'Jpujjp must now bfejiptified during, said that the policy of stationing the *"r "alert" bomber exercises, -ahcE missiiea aboard •''afert" .aircraft,""that the Air Force had adopted'C 001044 �Document disclosed under the Access m.Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information MAY 25 "30 10;51 POL bEC CDN EMB @CB- P V DEi:"EMSt: DEPARTMENT REGULAR BR IE:FINS, BR 1EFLR;; 12:00 PM a n m , THURSDAY, MAY ::H, r;rso PETtf WILLIAMS • D - 4 - 1 pagc?# 1 dt::;st:|a,;ld „ c l o d , d e f e n s c j n u c w G M p u n , nuc whel, d e p t e n , a r m y , wedpiM'is,, r ' n s j ' J 9 1 7 d a i; a MR.. WI! LI/-': i'if"-::: Oiavy, Good a f t t r n o o i a . I have? j u s t o n e ( . • v i e f ai'ViQuncfinient f o r y o u , g e n e r a l o f f i c e r i j n n o u n c R i n e n l ; , 'jevi"ral o f you know M a j o r Qonev wii B i. L1 faff n o , W i l l i a m I-t, Reno,, who i s c u r r e n t l y t h e D i r e c t o r o f P r o g r a m A n a l y s i s a n d E v a i u a t i nn f o r t h e Army.. The Set: i" a t a r y o l Di-™fen<.;e haw a n n o u n c e d t h a t t h e P r e s i d e n t h a s n o m i nats'-d !vt.:••. j>'"• s- G e n e r a l W i l l i a m i-h Rpno f o r r e a c s i g n m o n t a s Depul: y P h i ftf o f S t a f f f o r P e r s o n n e l o f t h e Arfrty a n d a p p o i n t m e n t t o L i P U t e n a n t General. born S i n c e tl-ii--, ,i ;;i, my O n l y a n n o u n c e m e n t , 1 w i l l note? t h a t h e i n S m i t h y ! 1 l e , Oklahoma, T h ^ t is my o n l y a n n o u n c e m e n t . was Char J, ,i e '•* 0. When are you yoi ng to put the 3RAMs i nto storage? them out and put them into storage"'' Take IIP. WI1.1...IAMS;: I know of no plan io do that. The*re is a study underway of thr> SRAM, and X think we should aw t u t the results of trust study. ',) What wafe t h e study prompted by, Pete? !1R„ Wi:i.„LiAMSi I ' m n o t —- we2. 1 , a c o u p l e o f t h i n g s t o b e a r i n m i n d hfi»re a b o u t s t u d i e s o f n u c l e a r w e a p o n s ; . 'H-ie fa. e s t t h i n g i s t h a t t h e r e a r c r e g u l a r r e v i KWS a l l t h e t i m e . T h e U n i t e d State-.-* d o e s n ' t j u s t d e v e l o p a n u c l e a r s y s t e m , p u t i t i n p l a c e a n d w a l k away f r o m i. t , 11 :i & p e r i od.. ,: a 11, y r e v i e w e d . T h e r ts i s p e r i o d i c r e v i t» W S , n o t o n l y o f t h e d e s i g n o f t h e s y s t e m , b u t a l s o t h e .way i t ' s e m p l o y e d , t h e w a y i t ' s h a n d l e d ; t h a p r o c e d u r e s we u s e f o r i t , Those t h i n g s a r e c o i-i t i n u a 11 y r e v i e we d . Now, w h a t p r e c i s e l y t h i s p a r t i c u l a r s t u d y o f the? SRAM-A was i-1 a r t e d b y , I d o n ' t k n o w wh &t h e r i t ? s t; h e r tssu 1 i; o f t h a t k i n d o f r o u t i n e a n a l y s i s o r w h e t h e r there.' was s o m e t h i n g e l s e . T h o r e was a • f i r o i n v o l v i n g a B~\"32 i n G r a n d F o r k s , N o r t h D a k o t a , I t h i n k i n t h e p a r l y ' 8 0 s , which I t h i n k s t a r t e d t h e whole process of l o o k i n g at t h e SRAM-A i n t e r m s o f w h e t h e r t h e r e w e r e a n y f i r e - r e l a t e d p r o b l e m s with i t , B u t t h e r e <*r® r e g u l a r r e v i e w s a l l t h e t i m e o t o u r nu".]. e a r w e a p o n s s> y s t e m s . D What's s a f e t y JjfL...I1;i>*ntf« Q AS focus tar of as this I study know, it of is the SRAM? safety, Is it yes, X-fi it on the warhsad solely? MR. WILLIAMS3 Q the Yes, as far as, T know. And what other warheads are you ••-- do you hav** safety 001045 �MAY 25 ' 9 8 113 = 52 POL SEC CDN EflB Document disclosed under the Access to.Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information ?DZS ^ v ^ r ^ l ^ f ^%y- ,f <— «TE HILl. IAns D ""-l 1 page* 2 studies under way on? MR. WILLIAMS:; -•••• ' " ' '• ' 'JL We.L.1, ti-ere aro there «>'•'.'.,..:. „ t r t T e are* - - t h e r e i s .•'• g e n e r a l yevifew >: ail n u c l o a r w a r h e a d *- r i g hi t n u w . n k t h j ,., s•» j.:» .f.« •^(..imetrt •uaimeth:!:i nt As a I tblh i .. fig i-.i"^-1' •"« •- --i l u n- 'u 'n u i 'n ig You IkTnUo- w U , .•1, r«t "• me jUf:;>t s a y ag«,ri. i"1 t h d t g p r oo cc.eess ss . y o u d o n ' t J u ' r i ; d e p l o- y.- a c l±e•:/•a•• r:;,u- s isy'sV&ll, y s t e m , opuut t i ti t i «i d -•••' • n u.,-•. p g j C i , ; , 1 "sSt.lf"? .in i n s t r u c t i o n m a n u a l , a n d t h e n w a l k a w a y from it. You're; c o n s t a n t!l y l o o k i n g at t h e s e t h i n g s , p a r t l y a s a matter of r o u t i n e , p a r t l y a » m a t t e r of nr.'W t e s t i n g t e c h n o l o g i e s b e c o m i n g a v a i l a b l e . A n d t h e t h i r d t h i n g t h a t ' s i m p o r t a n t t o a m p h a i d ;•:« is that we? tsst n u c l e a r w e a p o n «ji. 1 1 ' I-, e s (,v. © n +, i a .1 •unai: we; m a i n t a i n t h e >,. a p a b i I i t y t o t e s t n u c l e a r w e a p o n s b e r a u s e t h e n u c l e a r w o a p o n s t e s t i n g p r o g r a m g i v e s u s moi-p i n f o r m a t i o n t h a c is a g a i n fed i n t o t h e s y s t e m . Bo there' a r © t w s t s g o i n g on a n d e v a l u a t i o n * ! g o i n g o n , a n d r o u t i n e e x a m i n a t i o n s g o i n g on all t h e t i m e , o f nu'ieai- weapon:::;.. We s h o u l d n ' t v i e w this a s s o m e t h i n g ;;»ac'd£?n or s ^ m e l h i n g «it « h i g h s t a t e of c o n c e r n . Q B u t w o u l d y o u — let m e Just h e m o r p s p e c ! f i c „ When y o u <•"£>• t h e r e ' s a g e n e r a l r e v i e w o f all n u c l e a r w a r h e a d s right n o w , is t h a t s o m e r e v i e w o t h e r t h a n t h e r o u t i n e o n g o i n g s t u d i e s that -••MR. WILL.IAPIS! D '• Yes. B y thi? iacr vi r:es'.' !1R.. WILLIAMS j 0 I'm a w a r e o f . B o i t ' s just continuing'? MR. W I L L IAI1S s 0 Moi; that Well, t think it's a Joint DUD-DOE d ^ u g n m e n t . But Pate •••- MR. WILLIAMS! Because - you see*, DOD has to bo involved in it because it involves not only the design, but also the handling procedures and so forth. Q So it's all warheads ehough -••- (i naudi b 1 e) Q ..Pete? D I'm s o r r y t C h a r 1 i e MR. W l L L I A M S s reviewed. All o f o u r n u c l e a r w e a p o n s we constantly being H But Pete, you're saying you don't know if this is a part of 'a routine ongoing study of SRAM, and you say you Hi riutine :«n' t know "-••V !R, WILLIAMS,'! In t h e c a s e o f B R A M . r i .J • that 'a right --• �,-.r... r n r , r M R MA." 25 ' * . W-5c FUL ^EL LDN EMB Document disclosed under the Access mMformation Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information if/"\":NSE DEPARTMENT REGULAR BR CERTNR. n p T t r r c D . VS-/:-."- r n t.eiJi.^ IHUKSDAY, MAY / / ' I , i',:,"?0 D 1 1 Page# 3 MR. 0. WILLIAMS; n c t i ; w;n.,i.... t,•••,!• IB Yes,, what prompted this review. MR,, WILLIAMS:: !a; the case oi :3RAM, my impress;, on, Charlie, is trust after this fire in North Dakota in the ear'ly '80s, we Keg&n tc look at that sort of question about fire handling procedure^ and so forth.. The SRAM-A pr ocEU'iur@s that are ussd for tht? three Aircraft which carry SRAM A •- that is to &&yt the RB 1 :1,, the B'-SI: and the B :L thoSi.s procwdur«<•:: art* constantly being modified as we continue this • th.ts taview thi <,-;> constant rwviKu. For swamp le - to giv® you some of' the:.' a xampl i™; nf modi f i t at; j. ont,, t h a t h a v s fallen pia.'yt? -~ l e t me f i n d t h e .'list h e r s , Tor example t h e r e i s 'something c a l l e d a s t a r t c a r t r i d g e i n soma a i r c r a f t t h a t hfllpiii you s t a r t the? e n g i n e r a p i d l y . . Start cartridges a r e r e mo v ad f r om a J. 1 on g i n (•:; s b e f o r e t h e r e i s an y m a r n t on a n c e isngine ''h-:'"1 on t h e B 32s and RB 1:1. I s . The? s e n i o r wing s t a f f r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s have t o be n o t i f i e d and i n placn? d u r i n g any a l o r t e x e r c i s e s . Th© f i r s * department has t o bo n o t i f i e d and f i r e v<:?hic 1 ei- must ta© i n p o s i t i o n before? any e ^ r o i ss?<;„. T h a t * ' * j u s t some examples o f p r o c e d u r a l changes t h a t a r e made i n v o l v i n g t h e h a n d l i n g of t h e BRAm. So you seti, what I'm t r y i n g t o sdy CONTINUED �MO DEFENSE DEPARTMENT REGULAR U&tZF1NG, BRIEFERj 12sOO PM <EDT>, THURSDAY, MAY 2 4 , 1 9 3 0 D--4 •".•,•.: p a g e # i P F T f W i l l fAMS d e s t - d r i , d o d , riofsnsp, ru.tc weapon,, n u c w h d , d e p t e n , army., w e a p o n s , f n s l g J 3 l 7 :i a s t •+• •» m i s s :i 1 e , f r i n f data i s t h a t thHGL' pv oi.:edi.!res a r e c o n s t a n t l y u n d e r review. A n d I ' m ••• I d o n ' t »-••• w h a t I ' m a a y i n g I ' m n o t s u r e o f a n d w i l l c h e c k t o invaks» doubly sure o f p e r h a p s wt* r a n g o t y o u t h o a n s w e r b e f o r e t h e b r i w r i n g i « ovev i s t h e r e some c u r r e n t r e v i e w o f SRAM in addition t o t h i s g e n e r a l c o n t i n u i n g r e v i e w t h a t I•m t a l k i n g a b o u t . L> specific I f iJhe/efs a s p e c i f i c problem, possible indicate d problem? !"'R- WILLIAMS! No, for instance, I'm unaware of anything l i k e Q Wei 3 , y o u ' r e unaware, but there might be, could f i n d out. of some that. 1 mean, i f we MR. WILLIAMS! Well, but f'm q u i t e c e r t a i n that i t ' s not some s p e c i f i c question about the SRAM-A t h a t has caused t h i s review. I t ' s j u s t that ••-'• i t ' s i n the SRAM A, i t ' s r e a l l y a procedural, how do you handle the weapon. 0 My quest :i on swart l y . You imply tnat i t ' s a i l procedural and has nothing t o do wit h the weapon, i t has to with the way i t ' s handled'" < MR. WILL JAMS s (3 Correct. <;;•,... J-i*-- •• ,••••• MR. W I L L I A M S ; standards. Exactly,, » issue if handled properly? Tho weapon m e e t s all our current safety 0. W e l l , h o w about t h e suggestion in testimony on the Mill yesterday that y o u ' r e considering taking these out of c i r c u l a t i o n, or a m I m i s t a k e n ? MR. W I L L I A M S ! W e l l , ther e is a specific study of that question going on now, I don't know when t h e r e s u l t s are d u e o u t , sometime this summer. I think it would be u n w i s e and premature to predict the o u t c o m e of that study and to make any d e c i s i o n s now b e f o r e it's d o n e . That's what y o u do the study for. S o , i t ' s u n p r o d u c t i ve t o say now what national security p o l i c y ought t o b e based on that s t u d y. T h a t' is p o i n t o n e. Point t w o is, I think if y o u look at t h e c o m m e n t s made by t h e national laboratory d i r e c t o rs yesterday, they were not confining themselves to t h e specific question of t h e study, which i s to say, scientific q u e s t i o n s involving the weapon, they wer e also talking about the political a t m o s p h e r e and kind of giving their own personal opinions about wh©th«r w e ought to be flying around with weapons or. alert and that kind of thing in this current climate. S o their 001048 answer w a s part scientific and part political is what I'm saying. �: HOY 25 '9B 1B '3 P0L 5£C CWI Document disclosed under the Access » Wom,«fa» Actp o c l e n , d f c u ^ en vertu de „ « - * * * W * D1E //•' .njj SflMSE DEPARTMENT RDlHJLAR B R i E R I N G , B R I E F E R : .}0 PM C E D T i , THURSDAY, MAY 2 4 , 1S90 D» 4 ?. p a g e # 2 PETE W I L L I A M S w So you're saying they weris,' t a l k i n g about on], l i n g these t h i n g s , not because t h ^ r e i s ;-\ s p e c i f i c safety problem with each weapon - • MR. WILLIAMS: & ;;afVty of MR. hut Correct. for other r«a?,on•:;;,. I t had n o t h i n g do w i t h ths- t h e weapon? WILLIAMS;; X think t h e t w o were; mi y.& d .in., 0 Who o r d s - r & d t h e s t u d y , a n d i,*'- t h i s f i n d i n g i I:;» r Hcommenciat i o n m a n d a t o r y ? MR. W I L L I A M S : No, i t s r e c o m m e n d a t i o n •-- I d o n ' t w i l l r» */ t» n make a r e c o {fi m e n d a t i •-. n . Q to Is rt a D O D study? mandatory know t h a t h e DOD ordered? MR., WILLIAMS! i believe it's a joint DOD-DOE study, but let's b e clear about that, let's talus that question. • Ci Sec retary Okay, and their — findings will b e a recommendat ion t o the MR. WILLIAMS:; W e i l , a recommendation presumably to the National oommand author!bies. 13 Who .ordered this iatudy, and what •— MR. WILLIAMS. Let me I'm not positive* about that. It kind of g o e s back to your early question. Char,'! ie D When w a s the study --- MR. WILLIAMS: 0 --- started, who ordered it and what prompted it? MR, W I L L I A M S : D Ys?s. Precisely. W ei l, now •— Except it w a s b e s i d es political —• MR. WI'LLlAMSf Y e s — right — right. Q -••• besi diss political questions MR.. WILLIAMS: That's the earlier question that we took, right 0 Is t h e r e any comment on M r . A s p i n ' s blocking of the latest re? prog ramming request that I think everyone had agreed on i? x cent �^ ,.n , n i e , m e r r r w EMB MAY 25 ' * 10-54 POL ,Ec CDU EMB Document disclosed under the Access telftformatian Act a/7n/o^t^ DoCument divulgue en vertu de la to/5 U r/Wes DEPARTMENT REGULAR BRIEF IMG, BRIETERs RF.TE WI'Li JAMS lis 00 RM <:EDT) T THURSDAY, MAY 24, 19'30 D"-4 2 pagett 3 MR. WILLIAMS; Y e s , We we wish yary much that ••-- sines you mentioned him by name in your question that Mr. Aspin would siqn ^r, to the letter that the other seven committee and subcommittee chairmpn have signed onto, that would clear the way for ^ p r o g r a m m i n g which we have been trying !;o get for months, which Mr. Asp i, n't!, own committer said in last year's Appropriation Committee'.-; report is something we should do. This House Arms Services Committees was among those saying, "We expect the Department of Defense to seek i'i;-?programmuig. " We did just what they said,, Seven of Mr.. Aspin"* co]leagues in hoth the Mouse and Senate have signed on to the lett letter for rfeprogramming. We wish now that Mr., Aspin would come? into conformity with his colleague* and the direction th«tt his own r.omniittee gave* us 1 ast fa 1.1 . DF<QNSL 9. Does Mr. Cheney plan to speak wtth Mr. Asp in about this"? MR. WILL IAMB s Lot mes ans war your question this way. M r . Cheney lias spoken with Mr., Aspin repeatedly on this subject. He ha; been working the phones aggressively. Just for example, during our trip to Brussels,, he wafi; spending a great deal of time on the telephone with his former colleagues back in the Congress. He's Continuing to d o s o last night when he got back. H e ' s on —- he , iv. ^ doing it again today., He h a s worked vary hard and consulted vary closely and rigorously with his Colleagues - or his former colleagues on t h e Hill because we believe i t y s important. ..1 ... ..^ .L. ' .... . . .] K) J. ... * ... HJ I H 1 I . . . . . . Including Aspin'"1' ;VIR. WILLIAMSs Well, I don't want to get into the names of specific members that he's talked with, but he's worked this issue vei* y aygi" essx ve 1 y . 0. While we are on the Hill, do you have any comment on the Representative Rangel's asking for release of the Panama videos under the Freedom of Information Act? MR. WILLIAMS: Well, a couple oi points about that. First of all, I have talked with his staff throughout this process*. We've given them all of the nours and hours oi videotape that were released, In the specific case of the Apache gun camera video* it's the decision by the Army that that is prop&rly classified because the videotape shows how the weapon is used. In other words, it betrays or reveals operational procedures and capabilities of the Apache. Now, obviously, some of the Apache's characteristics and capabilities are out and open and public. But the specific way that it :i. s utilised, the specific procedures that are used for the Apache during combat, are betrayed by the videotape, and that's the reason the Army has it classified., C! that So there's no •—- there's no procedural •—- how do you say appeal for *-- MP., uTi i TAMe.. w , ',.,,,IT, «••• ^;s. un , you Know, certainly he can a p p e a 1 t h e d a c i s i o n , i f h e s o d e s i r e s, u n d e r t h e R r e ts d o m o f 001050 �MHY 25 "30 10:55 POL SEC CDN EMB Document disclosed under the Access mmformation Act- ^ Kurnent divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'infotfnteipn Document DL/"YlSR OEFARTMENT REGULAR CRIER I Mo, BRIEFER! PETE WILLIAMS i M i RM (EDTV THURSDAY, MAY 24, 19';*G l)--4 2 page# 4 Information Act- There's an appeal procedure, which he's cer tai n1y ent i 11 &d to follow„ Q Does he have to get ir. line behind us7' MR. WILLIAMS: (Laughs.) !•!'•• doesn't move to the head of the 1 :i. he because he's a member cf Congress, but he'll -• his request will cert a j. n 1 y g e t t h e a 11 e n tion w h :i, c h i t d c s e r v e s,, R Back t o t h e rapr ogr «immi ng, what solution d o you see to t h i s , or what arts the - sec end q u e s t i o n , what p l a n s would h a v e tc b e m a d e if t h i s doesn't gu fchrcugh? Y o u ' r e talking October I ait and thousands of people, thousands of slots,. IV!R„ WILLI AMSs Well, that's a good question, and 1st me answer it every way ev.eepi; directly, and try to explain why. I think * let me gi^e you my own personal view and sort of mi v; ,A whole bunch o f s t u f f h e r ti t o gather ,. My own personal view is that; h:'/@ry time we talk about the consequences of not getting reprogramming -—- you know, it we don't, look at all these things that'll happen --- it causes great anxiety among the men and women in the armed forces, who are to some extent depending upon this reprogrammlng authority for the size of the force, for all these things which you 'mentioned before —- the permanent change of stations: you know, whether you have to extend people's service time out; whether you can do promotions as scheduled? whether you can ail low dependents to travel. All of those questions are kind of hanging on this reprogr amming decision.. So t?ver y time we got out and ;::;ay7 "Look ^i the list of things that will happen if we don't get reprogramming," it just gets those folks all spun up. Mow, we've made uur case to th© Congress on why we need reprogramming. Indeed, this comes as no great shock to Congress ^ince, as ,1 said before, they're the one& who said in the appropriations - or the authorisation bill last y&;ir, "Hey, look, we can't fully fund your personnel accounts. WE? expect you to seek r©programming, because we want you to put personnel first,," CONTINUED �_ !_,i 1 Document disclosed under the Access » * * ^ K ^ Document divulgue en vertu de la lo/ w / ' « « « a /inffrfrffipn l_F r U .ny^ENSE D E P A R T M E N T RRQULA R 'BRJLFXNh, BRIEFER; XiKJ'JQ RM fE'DT^, T H U R S D A Y, M A Y 2 4 , ;I,9'J0 D "1--3 page* 2** Q WK; 11 > 1 don * t un d&i- st una - Q Why d i d D •••-'" t h i ? s t u d y il It's for take MR. l"t It study d o n e now.'' •.::!•.:ws s n > t Yes, it's - Icn ma j u s t take the get that i ni t j-rtnd" s- : iy h e r e . w o u l d Lie i n t e r e s t i n g WILL IAMB; Dhaty, being Well, i t ' s a do i t t h a t way. WILLIAMS J (,.,] long? i si j u s t When was t h e MR, you,, so 1930, MR,, W I L L I A M S : q u e s t i o n and w e ' l l 0 it PETE WILLIAMS we'll work to We'll know on try to one when. those. C h a r 1 i e„ Q On t h e q u e s t i o n , w h a t m a k e s y o u s o c o n f i d e n t y o u ' v e g o i n g •to get a r e s o l u t i o n ? Aspin h i s m a j o r c o m p l a i n t s were? t h d t t h e D e p a r t meir!; w a s n ' t g i v i n g e n o u g h on c e r t a i n h i g h c o s t p r o g r a m s a n d t h a t ha- w a s n ' t w i l l i n g t o g i v e o n t h i s i f t h i s D e p a r t m e n t w a s n ' t w i l l i n g t o g i v e on t h i n g s l i k e ? t h e B - 2 a n d " S t a r W a r s " a n d t h i n g s l i k e that,, I s t h e r e a n o t h e r o f f e y g o i n g up'?' MR. D WJLLJAM! : L NO. Something to appease him, something tu MR. W I L L I A M S : ' M o . We have? been around this before. Q Well - (inaudible) -— when he's a logjam here? MR, WILLIAMS: Well, let me put if this ways Partly the timing, partly the fact that it's today, and partly the fact that I think a lot of Mr. Aspin's colleagues -^r& appealing to him to join the seven other chairmen and subcommittee chairmen who have already agreed to this. He's tho lone holdout. I think he's getting some pressure from his own committee members and other members of the House; who arc eager to see a resolution to this issue, who think t h at w e * v e b a s i c. a 13, y g o n e at it I o n g e n 0 u g h. Q Getting back to t h e Q i. inaudible) - Q Getting MR. WILLIAMS:: back to Ye?s, we'll - t h e SRAM-A, get you X - a the answer to the question on 001052 �-,r , Q n i n . « pr-,1 e r r rr.N EMB MHT . 5 ' * i u . , b Fit. ,Ec LDN dIE Document disclosed under the Access &.lbformation Act -i divulgue en vertu de la to/sur/'acces a / ' / / . / o r ^ ! » Docume„t &r\-*NSE DEPARTMENT REGULAR F<R [LF1NL, uRIERER:: 12:00 PM CEDT3T THURSDAY, MAY 24, r390 D •:-'••-3 page# 3 PETF WILLIAMS when the study was ordev ed and prioi. i «ml y why. Q You said the study i s looking at th<~>. qussstj,on of grounding needs, of t a k i n g these - p u t t i n g them i n storage, right"? MR.. WILLIAMS: No,, I'm saying t h a t the general subject of tha S a f © t y ,'.< f t h e S R A11 ••- A i a t h e s u b j e c 1; o f t h a s t u d y, a n d 1 d o n»t t h i n I; i t ' s proper t o make a d e o «i on about grounding i t or not using i ! " in ixei" c j. s<?>s or whatever u n t i l we? see tho r e s u l t s of the study,, The study i s broader than j u s t t h a t question. Q Arty they two d i f f e r e n t studies, though? MR. WILL1AMS5 J Mo. f.'i Y'OU (lit:-an that the question on whether this should be q r o u n d e a i. s p ,:i ;• t o f t h er o t h e MR,. W I L L I A M S : No l e t ' s p u t i t t h i s way.. Bo f o r t ? y o u make ..••my d e c i s i o n s 5 i k e t h a t , y o u h a v e t o sec? this r e s u l t s o f t h e s t u d y . I ' m s a v i n o i t ' s ori'.-™«i-iivi-i ••.-, <*.-., !.•<.> ^ -J«-.. •. L .=.,-. •„.... ........ •,. *»*-. tsu y r u u n a i n g i t u n t i l t h e \.,ttu::ly [>:•:; f i n i s h e d . Then y o u make? those...* d e c i s i o n s . 0. 3o-you're say,.ng t h e r e ' s enough concerns about s a f e t y do a study but t h e r e ' s not concern about s a f e t y t o rtrdt^r them grounded? to MR, WILLIAMS:: I'm saying that the -URAM-A c u r r e n t l y meets a i l of the s a f e t y standard'::; for t h a t weapon. There i s nothing unsafe about the SRAM A. Mow, there i s a lutudy going on about procedures, a l l these t h i n g s t h a t we've discussed b e f o r e . Before you make any decisions about changing the procedures, l e t ' s look at the study t h a t ' s due out t h i s summer. 0. But ••'-- but Pete, i f a study i s being made on whether or not t o ground these t h i n g s or put them on a shelf or whatever, how you can say with absolute confidence t h at these things ^rw aafis and that t h e r e ' s nothing wrong with them, i f t h e y ' r e going so far ,=u; say, " w e l l , h e r d ' s the* p o s s i b i l i t y of t a k i n g these thing s o f f pianes"? MR. WILLIAMS? Sure, good q u e s t i o n , and the answer i s thi. SK The SRAM-A c u r r e n t l y meets; the US safety standards,, We c o n s t a n t l y review the design, the procedures, the general s a f e t y of our nuclear weapons, and changes and m o d i f i c a t i o n s ar& made as necessary,, Th e r e ' <3 a study going on now. I t ' s not the f i r s t Study, i t won't be the l a s t study, of nucleai* weapons. But . l e t ' s not make any d PC i. si a ft® u n t i l we? i»ee the? r e s u l t ia Of thi*» one. 0. But again -— MR. WILL/AMEJ: You make d e c i s i o n s , you •mflks? change"* i n the wayyou handle and the? way you design nuclear m a t e r i a l s , based on a constant e v a l u a t i o n . There's one coming up now. L e t ' s sp»e what the 001053 �MAY £5 ' 9 0 10=56 POL oEC CDN EflB Document disclosed under the Access to information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'infpcMatioit f O f f DEPARTMENT REGULAR B R l F F W i RPn-rp ^ MM C E D T ) r THURSDAY, MAY ^ ' ^ ^ ^ " •* .3 pagi paae-1* 4 .i--w decision is. Q "stringent, MR. !v! MR,. the You may you may change the •snd t h e n on t h e t i h e l f"'' WILLIAMS:: -- -• i t it Mo, X don't fi! e ! ? t ••::. c > i r r e n t WILLIAMS;: Q Well, '.,:>hel f y put if It do*&. it doe's, want ETE WILLIAMS « t an da ia J <=; dnij mal.:& them mors* to B e c a u s e you ^ay t h o y get into <»t a n d a r d <•». t h e n why y / ? n think about taking A r e you «•>,;;:;/i n;::i t h & weapon'"-; up i,n t o ;,?;T;ani-iar<"l& s t a n d a r d s bbuutt 0 , r v , , -., L.4-, :is irr-Mi-r, o rr h ha an n ddlliiuncgi i1.1 a r e .wa,-. h a t4. h -a-s- t o be • - i„?,a"ic.l,dui".' i;:. ff o t Ai»a MR. W I L L I A M S ; No, •|us.r.:rt i, o n , 1 s t me t r y t o )yf'„.H'3 remember t h a t -•••• it of tthhaa; : the no,, l am s a y i n g t h a t I u n r i i s r i M , a n d you g e t a t i t t h i s way. You d o n ' t , a a I s a i d,tr rj you d o n ' t jutst f i e l d CONTINUED 001054 �i'lrH'l PS -90 10 = 57 POL SEC CDN EMB Document disclosed under the Accessfoinformation Actdivulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'inforjgckipft Document ycEi DRRRM3E DEPARTMENT REGULAR JBRIRFIMG, BRlhTERi: PF'IE WILLIAMS i.'g'sOO RM <EDT;i, THURSDAY', MAY :':A, 1390 D 4 -I- E page** 1 r.'ie!.y;t !""dd , dod, defense, nucweapor:, nucwhd , a:i, r force, weapons, fni;:: 1,291 ">' dc?« t +";-m i 3s i 1fe,ph i ] i p, m 1.1 i n s t „ do•.•>, t or s;vc , a i r c, w m f o r c:i a t n a 'ayutefn and wal!. 1 away f r o m i t , , You c o n s t a n t l y r e v i e w i t . You r e v i e w i t An a r e s u l t o f b e t t e r t e s t i n g p r o c e d u r e s , t h i n g s :i. &•.;:«• o n s l e a r n e d , t h i n g s t h a t , y o u i d e n t i f y m c o n t i n u e d n u c l e a r weapons t e s t i n g . , I t ' s a continuing pre.ess. And d s you ;nake d i '-:iC0VG>r i e s , o r a::; y o u f i n d b a t t e r ways t o do t h i n g «, .;::i r a s y o u t h j, n k o f b a 11 e? r p r o c e d n r f i <s o r wh a t (J V e r , t hten y o u r e< .' v ii':' w i j e «; i (,;i n a n d y o u r e v i e w h a n cl 1 i n g., "I" h a t ' <;; a c o n t .1 n u i n g p r o c r* s ti, „ Some c h a n g e s * h a v e a l r e a d y been made? i n t h e way t h e SRAM A i s tveated •c x e r c i s e i i i , t h e s t u f f about e n g i n e c a r t r i d g e s , fire e q u i p m e n t , a i l o f tho-.;© t h i n g s . Theses change's are: c o n s t a n t l y g o i n g on. Q u e s t i o n : s h o u l d you make more c h a n g e s i n t h e way you h a n d l e gpAM-A? The? a i T ^ e r i s , 1 e t ' «j w a i t t i l l t h i s s t u d y t h a t ' s g o i n g on now i <;;; c o m p l e t e d . 0. Htivp you b t i e n ••—• Pets?,, ta i» •„. omp 1, o t e?d wh en ay a i n? MR. WILL JAMS 5 'Jiornet ime t h i s Q T t " i 5 P e i n e done- w i t h an i t , n o t w i t h -•-- t h e r e d o e s n ' t soem would r o t ire* t h o weapon, j u s t w i t h c h a n g e s i n h a n d l i n g p r o c e d u r e s and MR. W11...L 1 AMU: Q WILLIAMS: (•! Well, of retiring I've that's never WILLIAMS; being ••--- u s , what, to sudiinar, ey: a n o t the? way you c h a r a c t e r i z e d t o be much p r o s p e c t t h a t you an e y e t o w a r d ma L i n g f u r t h e r r e t a i n i n g i t xn t h e f o r c e ? No, it on© b e i n g option. why whan y o u s a i d earlier I heard i <r, n o t that s t LI d y i n g t h e p o s s i b i 1 1 1 y o f MR, is Th a t • <s c or r fee t . The o p t i o n MR. t h e .study retirin g it never said that studied? they're - -- that. I never said that. Q P e t e , d i d you answer s p e c i f i c a l l y w h e t h e r t h e A i r F o r c e w o u l d h a v e i n i t i a t e d thi< :: ; s p e c i f i c ;,r>tudy had i t n o t b e e n f o r t h e f i r e i n 19$-- •—MR* W I L L I A M S : T h a t ' s t h e q u e s t i o n w e ' v e t a k e n and 1 hope? t o g(51 y o u t h a t arvswsr <rshor 11 y . di W e r e t h e r e problems 1 , w i t h t h e W"-79s, t n a t y o u d i s c o v e r e d -and l a t e r m o d i f i e d , d i !»coveYed i n a r o u t i n e s s t u d y a-.:; w e l l ? How w e r e thence prob3 ems c l i s c o v w C Q i t ' ' 001055 MR. WILLIAMS: The - I would &ay that in the cour&o of the �- . * - p -, err ™ rt IP m y 25 '9U i y = 5,- PuL bEu . H I E.IB Document disclosed under the Access tp Information Act divulgue en vertu de la io/sur/'acces a / ' m / o r m 0 r , 0 n Document /"' DEPARTMENT REGULAR Bhli'RFiNG, 1-JPIEFRRs 12; 00 RM LEDT>7 THURSDAY, MAV a'"-a,. 5E\JM3R RETR WILLIAMS review o f our nuclear weapon*;, ;a; W^K, cieteiaru ned t h a t the W-'/O art.i. :! u-ry s h e l l d i d not meet our very high standards*. ft Anyt h i ng new on I;h;•<•> Phi 1 i ppi nes Mi-:. tJILHAMSi No, I u o n ' t t m r i ther«?' s a n y t h i n g new, h c 1 ef ' <=: go throug h the st at t.,„., O( what';. oa, i n q ,-,n fit the !:::'h i, 1 ipi„, HIO-; i can f i n d i t , because we were j u s t r e v i e w i n g t h a t t h i s morning,, if The r e t i b r i r t ion--», the personnel movement r e s t r i c t i o n s , remain „ a j../i a i... e» On-hase pr-'-sonnr-'! W& remai r.-ing on b .&•.;.; e,, Personnel l i v i n g o f f ba'=;e are t r a v e l i n g o f f base for u r g e n t , c a s e n t i d l busi n?'iE o n l y , such as goin<j t o and Tr...m w o r i . As we iaaid 1 A^>t week, those people t t'fiipo'" jn-11 y assigned t o Panama aro now on bast?.. There lis imminent Clangu-r pay i n e f f e c t , which i % an a d d i t i o n a l 15 percent of basii,; wali-try for LIB 'dt'L-en c i v i l i a n emp L oyRes, and *Ll<"> sl mouth for a l l US m i l i t a r y personnel.. Inc. t o n m i l i t a r y persuiinel must haves on b.a'!»e 1'souring a v a i l a b l e , '3o, f/ ^ danger 1 think but h i a i ' i pretty otherwise;? t h e r e ' s no change. much wnere t h i n g s 'stood l a s t weak. '?-m you e \p 1.:.111 the i.)i t f e r e m r e between the imminent pay and combat pay" MR,, WILL IAM3.v I moan, i n there a difference'' In terms ••-. f tho amount-'' 0. Ho v.'ever you'L'.i l i k e I c q u a n t i t y i t . MR, WILL I AMR: Ml-.ay, I dor.'1;, know what the I d o n ' t know what ',. ombat j.; ay how j. t ' •;•, computed. W e ' l l t r y t o OP t you t h a t ai,.:-;ws.'^. The one t h a t leaps immediately ho mind i s combat ^&iy its for those pe.ip'l, e why acted i n combat, and imminent danger pay i s for those people who l i v e i n clangor uus areas ,..,.r under dangerous concu t i vn.i. 0 Does t h e i n c l u s i o n of the imminent danger pay i n d i c a t e t h a t t h e r e ' s a heightened danger Tor dependents and t h a t u-ort of thing"' Does i t r a i s e t h e q u e s t i o n -— MR. WILLIAMS! I t ' s a r e a c t i o n , s u r e , i t ' s a r e a c t i o n t o the g e n e r a 1 c l i m a t e where t h e s e f o 1 k s 11 v e a n H w o r k. Th e r eb e 1 s h av e made i t c l e a r t h a t they consider Americans t a r g e t s . We've had some of our personnel k i l l e d . And i t ' s a r e c o g n i t i o n of t h a t climate,. (3 ever I n t h e r e any thought a s k i n g people rwfc t o b r i n g MR., WILLIAMS:: being g i v e n or dependents any plan's towards ••-- Not that I'm aware of. 0. P e t e , t h e IK p e r c e n t , t h a t ' s for State Department, I Lines, '.'.j, and DOD c i v i l i a n p e r s o n n e l , r i g h t ? MR, WILLIAMS: W e l l , t h e \.Z percent i % d e f i n i t e l y f o r c i v i l i a n L'GD per sonnel y and I b e l i e v e i t i s the same for foreign service officers. 001056 �n-11 y ?. a v 10 = 58 POL SEC CDN EMB "*•' Document disclosed under the Access ^J^ationAct-Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'infornpJioiV h\£jA!SX; DEPARTMENT REGULAR BRTiia I Hi.;, 8RIEFTR: ;:,"hoO PM f E D T v THURSDAY, MAY yy 1'i'hO ij-4' ^ - L page* RLTR WILLIAMS 3 ft J u s t c u r i e u s '. u : n o w , t h e * 1 1 0 a m o n t h f'ur i, hi? m i l i t a r y p e r s o n n e l w o r k s OUT t o a b o u t $ ! , 3 l . u & y,~.^r, i/nles-.... I I ' i q u r e >.. t w r o n g ; a n d y e t a c i v i l i a n DUD e m p l o y e e wh>'i J O U ! d mal.e iS-i-O,, <X.n> . d i l Cist an e : < t r a t(-.:'<Ou .\ y e a ' a s t h e I o p e r c e n t . Ulhv ;-- i h«i*-i I -r .,• 1 ' • MP., W l i L l A M S s .[ d o n ' t c i.,mpu i; r?n <iep.ur a t e 1 y . -'• Pete. .•;pp-veiicn«»L ."in o t rR.. know why I.'..: '.i-irrru a n y t h i n g the WILLIAM-::: , n.-n't. further r„; why the two ... cnt,- i I'lveuL i -yi^i: i or mar JJ-JV er<s > Ma;, tru.it i"v:,.> h e a r d ' o r g no. i>' H •.•',' a L o u t i; a.- b a ^ u i n . ' r i o t i a t 1 o n i ' MR,, WILL iAMS; Well, they'ro t h f i.:,'..p J. o r d . ., phac;e o f t cuyjo boil i o n v; •> •., c..,.imp.,', K?t e . 1'Mere ; s n u d a t e f o r r e-ium i. :ig tl-vs n e - a niui«it.r o r nei.icvt j ,-rl; ,i, t„ira.„ ftut I t h i n k t h a t wc> ,:u'e r e v i e w n q w h a t •v,-l e s r n e d i n t h e vxp L o r a t o r y t a l k ' s And we w i l , move o n . Juhn? 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