https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/e61de67678953bdd72e16a90119f7f2b.pdf 4eee95984ec9995ac870f7306245f18b PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act ""Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information est ewcH'i WnMB* FM WASHDC 0 C T 2 2 / 6 5 CONFD TO EXTERNAL 3 3 9 1 IMMED I0NCO D-Cfl, a2 INFO NATOPARIS EMBPARIS LDN DISARMDELGVE BONN B REF YOURTEL DL1910 OCT21 AND OU OURTEL 3 2 8 9 OCTlS \ nn ._ nil NATO CTTEE OF DEFENCE MINISTERS WE CALLED THIS AFTERNOON ON SPIERS WHO WAS ABLE TO^SrTED' A L H # D E MORE LIGHT ON USA THINKING WITH REGARD TO AGENDA FOR DEFENCE M I N I S TERS MTG. AT SAME TIME WE GOT IMPRESSION THAT USA OFFICIALS STILL HAVE ONLY A GENERAL IDEA OF DIRECTION THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MTG T A K E ' A N D ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO CONSIDER WHAT SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THEY MIGHT WISH TO PUT FORWARD. 2 . S P I E R S SAID INSTRUCTIONS HAVE BEEN SENT TO CLEVELAND SETTING FORTH THEIR SUGGESTIONS ON AGENDA ALONG SAME GENERAL LINES HE MENTIONED .. DURING OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION* SEE OUR REFTEL).USA APPROACH REFLECTED IN AGENDA WAS VERY MUCH THAT TRADITIONALLY FOLLOWED BY'- "a MCNAMARA IN HIS HANDLING OF USA DEFENCE PROBLEMS. IT WAS RECOGNIZED : THAT ATHNS GUIDELINES SET FORTH GENERAL PRINCIPLES REGARDING NATO . CONSULTATION BEFORE DECISION TAKEN TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS* IT WAS .ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT PRACTICAL PROBLEMS OF IMPLEMENTING ATHNS;^ GUIDELINES HAD NEVER REALLY BEEN EX AM IN ED. MCNAMARA APPROACH WAS FIRST TO HAVE ACCURATE SURVEY OF EXISTING FACILITIES AND C A P A B T - ,,. LITIES WHICH HAD BEARING ON THIS BASIC QUESTION. NEXT STEP WOULD THEN' I. BE TO CONSIDER WHETHER EXISTING CAPABILITIES ARE ADEQUATE AND IF NOT RPT NOT HOW THEY MIGHT BE IMPROVED. 3.TURNING TO THREE MAIN TASKS WHICH MIGHT BE CONSIDERED INITIALLY • BY CTTEE, SPIERS SAID BROSIO WOULD BE ASKED BY CLEVELAND TO, "p p » • '.,,. 000121 . . . 2 �B8ErJffl!Ht Eli§El8i!El UHElSF thl d t f fS ft f#8ffflB*f8fl Act: BEST ORIGINAL AVAILABLE MElUEuR ORIGIHAL a PAGE TWO 3 3 9 1 REQUEST THAT ^ # ¥ 6 NATO MILITARY AUTHORITIES BE GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR PREPARING REPORTS WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE DOCUMENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AT FORTHCOMING MINISTERIAL MTG. INTENTION WOULD BE TO • HAVE NATO MILITARY AUTHORITIES PROVIDE FACTUAL INFO REGARDING . ALLIED PARTICIPATION IN NUCLEAR PLANNING, EXISTING COMMUNiCATION FACILITIES, AND OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO TASKS SET CUT IN USA SUGGESTED AGENDA. IN REPLY TO CUR QUESTION SPIERS SAID THEY WERE THINKING IN- TERMS OF MILITARY CTTEE AND STANDING GROUP MAKING THIS y' INFO AVAILABLE IF POSSIBLE TWO WEEKS BEFORE MTG. IN USA VIEW THESE . ;" •" • REPORTS FROM MILITARY AUTHORITIES COULD BE CIRCULATED TO GOVTS .'. ATTENDING MTG AND IT WAS HOPED THAT MINISTERS WOULD FIND THEM pa-. "' '^3- <• P p •-. • ••' ' 4 USEFUL AS BASIS FOR COMMENTING OR MAKING ANY SUGGESTIONS ON E X I S T & & • * ' 1 .a' * • ARRANGEMENTS OR. ON POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS. SPIERS SAID USA AUTHORITIES.^.' DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS TO PUT FORWARD "' • ' *§. AT THE MOMENT AND THEY WOULD BE AWAITING RECEIPT OF REPORTS .FROM • '>>' p"i. r • • MILITARY AUTHORITIES BEFORE THEY WORK OUT ANY FIRM SUGGESTIONS FOS ''".•"' MCNAMARAS CONSIDERATION. ' • . 4.DURING OUR CONVERSATION SPIERS STRESSED A NUMBER GF'.TIHJSS-. ' : £*\. '• MCNAMARAS WISH TO KEEP DISCUSSION CONFINED TO PRACTICAL AN&^.TEClftic'A!?|H,* PROBLEMS INVOLVED AND TO AVOID GETTING INTO POLITICAL PRO SEEKS WHlCHtlV* WERE BASICALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF NATO FOREIGN MINISTERS* HE \ y\J>/ • THOUGHT THAT IF THE MILITARY AUTHORITIES PREPARED FAIRLY FULL' REPORTS ON EXISTING ARRANGEKETS THEY WOULD PROBABLY TOUCH^G«.V - ' . p * • •> ' • • '•*# / ;&,fcf \ a SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WHICH WE RAISED IN OUR MEMO OF MAY12«HE * .- ' • . ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THESE WERE VERY BASIC QUESTIONS BUT THOUGHT '." • ' '—* *, - v p 000122 �* ®EST ORIGINAL AVAILABLE P AG * J> v ' • * < S i r i H l i £ U E i ORIGINAL THtolQhtlL Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information REPORTS WERE PREPARED ON EXISTING ARRANGEMENTS IT WOULD ^WREMATURE TO SPECULATE ON HOW DISCUSSION MIGHT DEVELOP. ASKED WHETHER MCNAMARA MAY TRY TO OUTLINE TO DEFENCE MINISTERS USA VIEWS ON CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH NUCLEAR WEAPONS MIGHT HE USED SPIERS SAID THIS WAS A POSSIBILIT Y BUT KORE LIKELY WOULD EMERGE. IN THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION RATHER THAN AS RESULT OF PREDETERMINED PLAN ON THE PART OF THE SECRETARY. HE AGREED. THAT THIRD TASK USA HAD IN MIND WOULD INVOLVE EXCHANGE CF INTELLIGENCE AND I F SUCH AN EXCHANGE WERE DESIRED I T WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE GREATLY IMPROVED COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS. FIRST STEP HOWEVER If.' USA VIEW WOULD BE TO SUPPLY MEMBERS WITH ACCURATE INFO ON CURRENT STATE OF COKKUNIC ATIONS. S P I ERS ENVISAGED THIRD TASK AS COMPRISING .EXAM OF THE KINDS OF INFO THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN NATO CAPITALS SC THAT ALL GOVTS DIRECTLY CONCERNED WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE SA*-'E INFO ON WHICH TO BASE THEIR DECISIONS. 5 . CONSISTENT WITH USA IDEA THAT CTTEE WOULD CONCENTRATE ON PRACTICAL PROBLEMS SPIERS SAID USA WOULD SEE ONE DAY MINISTERIAL MTG. PROBABLY FOLLOWED BY EXPERT WORKING GROUPS WHICH WOULD BE CHARGED BY MINISTERS WITH PREPARATION OF FURTHER REPORTS FOR - CONSIDERATI CN AT LATER DEFENCE MINISTER-MTG* ACCORDING TO S P I E R S , MCNAMARA EXPECTED THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT WORK BEFORE CTTEE TO JUSTIFY ITS REMAINING IN EXISTENCE UNTIL END OF 1 9 6 6 . PROBABLY A NUMBER OF OTHER SESSIONS OF CTTEE DURING 1 9 6 6 WOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE I T WOULD BE IN POSITION TO SUBMIT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DECISIONS BY GOVTS* USA CONTINUED TO REGARD CTTEE AS PURELY ADVISORY IN CHARACTER WITH ... 4 :-./ " * • • «' :», i *:« *••*• �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information QgOT m®m WWUBLE IWEILLEUR ORIGINAL PAGE FOUR 3 3 9 1 RESPONSIBILITY TO REPORT ITS FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO NATO COUNCIL* 6 . ON POSSIBILITY THAT DEFENCE MINISTERS MIGHT FIND SUBJECT MATTER SOMEWHAT TOO TECHNICAL .AND MIGHT TURN TC BROADER ISSUES AFFECTING FUTURE OF ALLIANCE SPIERS SAID THEY DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE WORRIEft ON THAT SCORE. CERTAINLY MCNAMARA WISHED TO AVOID POLITICAL ISSUES AS SUBJECTS OFMORE DIRECT CONCERN" TO FOREIGN MINISTERS AND WOULD •i • MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO CONCENTRATE DISCUSSION ON IMPORTANT PRACTICAL PROBLEMS RELATING TO USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS WHICH HERETOFORE-HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN DEALT WITH. FACT THAT MTG WOULD ONLY LAST ONE DAY SHOULD ALSO FACILITATE CONCENTRATION OF DISCUSSION ON AREAS PRIMA* RILY OF RESPONSIBILITY OF DEFENCE MINISTERS. ^••^•yT'y .i a. + •»« "—*wp^, V ^ * r Pt-„ *, > i > A- ••/ • • ••' l ^fet*, "^ •-->• V ' S ^ V* 1*000124 • � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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