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FUTURE OF THE ALLlANCEtTALK WITH HARLAN CLEVELAND
HARLAN CLEVELAND IS ACCOMPANYING BROSIO TO NY AND WASHDC FOR TALKS
WHICH SECGEN WILL HAVE WITH THE PRESIDENT,RUSK AND MCNAMARA AND
OTHER USA OFFICIALS.IN A TALK WHICH I HAD WITH HIM TODAY I GOT
SOME IMPRESSION OF THE WAY IN WHICH HIS MIND IS MOVING ON FUTURE
OF ALLIANCE AND RELATED PROBLEM OF CONSULTATION ON NUCLEAR MATTERS.
2.ON FUTURE OF ALLIANCE CLEVELAND APPARENTLY QUESTIONS VALUE OF
FORMAL DISCUSSION OF PROBLEMS OF ALLIANCE IN COUNCIL OR IN
CTTEES OF WHOLE.KE BELIEVES THAT SUCH DISCUSSIONS MAY REDEFINE
PROBLEMS BUT ARE MOST UNLIKELY TO FIND ANY SOLUTIONS.HE BELIEVES
THAT BETTER PROCEDURE WOULD BE TO HAVE SERIES OF SEMINAR OR WORKING
GROUPS DISCUSSING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO SPECIFIC PROBLEMS.HE TOLD
ME HE WAS IMPRESSED WITH VALUE OF QUITE INFORMAL DISCUSSION WHICH
TOOK PLACE AT THIS WEEKS LUNCHEON MTG OF SOME PERMREPS REPORTED
IN MYTEL 2041 SEP29 HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SEMINARS ADDRESSING THEMSELVES TO SUCH SPECIFIC ISSUES AS ADAPTATION OFNATO STRATEGY,
DEVELOPING CONCEPT OF ACE MOBILE FORCE AND OTHER SPECIFIC ISSUES
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MY REFTEL.HIS IDEA IS THAT ANY SOLUTION

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WHICH IS BROUGHT TO A SPECIFIC ISSUE WOULD STRENGTHEN THE ALLIANCE.HE ALSO SEES SEMINARS ON BROADER PROBLEMS SUCH AS IMPLICATIONS OF
SOVIET POLITICAL STRATEGY FOR EUROPE AND DEVELOPMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY.
THESE SEMINARS IN HIS VIEW MIGHT BE CONDUCTED ON BASIS OF PARTICIPATION OF ALL 15 MEMBERS.OTHER SEMINARS HOWEVER PARTICULARLY ON
NUCLEAR SHARING MIGHT BE CONDUCTED ON BASIS OF SELECT PARTICIPATION.
3 . 1 DID NOT RPT NOT ARGUE WITH HIM IN ANY DETAIL ABOUT DESIRABILITY
OR OTHERWISE OF SEMINAR APPROACH.I DID HOWEVER DRAW HIS ATTENTION
TO DIFFICULTIES THAT CONFRONTED CDA IN POSSIBILITY OF BEING EXCLUDED
FROM SELECT CTTEE ON NUCLEAR MATTERS IN VIEW OF OUR CONTRIBUTION
IN KIND AND IDEAS IN THIS FIELD.
4.ON PROBLEMS CONFRONTING THE ALLIANCE,CLEVELAND TOLD ME THAT HE
HAD ATTENDED ONE MTG OF MLF/ANF PARIS WORKING GROUP AND DESCRIBED
DISCUSSION AS STERILE BECAUSE THEY WERE DEALING WITH DETAILS WITHOUT
HAVING ANY AGREEMENT ON CONCEPT.. IT HAD REINFORCED HIS IMFRESSION
THAT WHAT WAS NOW REQUIRED WAS CONSULTATION TO DEVELOP A
QUOTE POLITICAL CONSENSUS UNQUOTE FOR SOME SOLUTION WHICH
MIGHT TAKE PLACE OF MLF WHICH HE RPTD HAD TO BE DISCARDED AS A
QUOTE GIMMICK UNQUOTE.WHAT THAT SOLUTION WAS WOULD NOT RPT NOT
NECESSARILY BE A QUOTE DIRECTOIRE UNQUOTE OF NUCLEAR POWERS.
NOR DOES HE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ANYTHING LIKE AGREEMENT IN
WASHDC THAT A NON-PROLIFERATION AGREEMENT WITH USSR IS ANSWER TO
NON-PROLIFERATION SINCE,AS HE PUT IT,RUSSIA HAS NO RPT NO POWER TO
COMMIT COMMUNIST CHINA NOR OTHER COUNTRIES REPRESENTING DANGER OF
PROLIFERATION IN ASIA AND..MIDQLE EAST.HE BELIEVES THEREFORE .
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IMPORTANCE TO ALLIANCE IN PREVENTING FURTHER NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION.
5.IN PARTING CLEVELAND GAVE ME TEXT OF STATEMENT WHICH PRESIDENT
ISSUED WHEN HE LEFT WASHDC AND WHICH IN EFFECT CONSTITUTES HIS
TERMS OF REF FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.I RPT IN EN CLAIR
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