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HIM OUT BRIEFLY ON MCNAMARAS PROPOSAL FOR SELECT CTTEE AND ON USA
APPROACH TO CONTINGENCY PLANNING.
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THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF MCNAMARAS PROPOSAL AND THE.POSSIBILITY

., THAT CTTEE MIGHT TURN INTO AN IMPORTANT NATO BODY FOR DISCUSSION OF
NUCLEAR PROBLEMS. I. ALSO MENTIONED DIFFICULTY OF EXPLAINING TO CDN
PUBLIC WHY CDA WAS NOT RPT NOT REPRESENTED ON CTTEE WHEN COUNTRIES
SUCH AS NETHERLANDS AND ITALY WITH SMALLER FORCES WITH NUCLEAR
CAPABILITY WERE MEMBERS.
3 . IN REPLY RUSK WENT OVER POINTS FAMILIAR TO YOU I . E . CTTEE WAS
NOT RPT NO INTENDED TO BE SUBSTITUTE FOR NATO COUNCIL OR THE ANF/MLF
WORKING GROUP. RUSK EXPLIMED THAT CTTEE WOULD BE USEFUL FORUM FOR PRAtf^
DISCUSSION OF NUCLEAR PROBLEMS* HE SAID IT WAS DIFFICULT TO APPREClAjf
HOW LITTLE UNDERSTANDING MANY OF THEIR NATO COLLEAGUES HAD RE USE
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AND POWER OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.RUSK MENTIONED A COUPLE,OF EXAMPLES
AND GAVE US IMPRESSION THAT PRINCIPAL PURPOSE OF CTTEE WOyLD BE T
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RPT NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IN FULL NATO MTG. HE DID NOT RPT NOT LAY
MUCH STRESS ON ADVISORY NATURE OF CTTEE AND DID NOT RPT NOT GO INTO
POINTS WHICH WERE MADE BY MCNAMARA.
4. ON POSSIBLE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS RUSK PRETTY WELL CONCEDED THAT
•IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE AT MOMENT WHETHER CTTEE"WOULD
DEVELOP INTO IMPORTANT FORUM FOR DISCUSSION' OF NUCLEAR PROBLEMS.
HE MENTIONED THAT GERMANS WOULD PROBABLY BE TAKING A FRESH LOOK AT
WHOLE QUESTION OF NUCLEAR COOPERATION FOLLOWING ELECTION AND HE IMPLB
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THAT THIS WOULD HAVE A VERY DIRECT BEARING ON ROLE OF CTTEE,WITH
REGARD TO INFO USA PLAN TO MAKE AVAILABLE AT MTGS OF CTTEE,RUSK
SAID THEY HAD HOPED TO BE ABLE TO FURNISH US WITH SIMILAR INFO IN
CONTEXT OF OUR CLOSE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF
NEW AGREEMENT ON CONSULTATION.I EXPLAINED THAT WE APPRECIATED THEIR
COOPERATIVE ATTITUDE IN THIS REGARD BUT OUR CONCERN STEMMED MORE
FROM UNCERTAINTY SURROUNDING FURIURE ROLE AND IMPORTANCE OF PROPOSED
SELECT CTTEE IN GENERAL CONTEXT OF NATOS POLITICAL STRUCTURE. ON
PRESENTATIONAL ASPECT OF CDN MEMBERSHIP,RUSK RECOGNIZED THIS WAS A
DIFFICULT PROBLEM TO MEET BUT HE DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE ANY SOLUTION
TO SUGGEST.I HAVE THE DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT THE SEC OF STATE
HIMSELF HAS NO RPT NO VERY CLEAR IDEA OF MCNAMARAS INTENSIONS
-REGARDING THE SCOPE OF THE CTTEE WHICH HE PROPOSED.
5. I AM SENDING SEPARATE REPORT ON OUR DISCUSSION ON CONTINGENCY

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