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I HAVE BEEN GIVING CONSIDERATION TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE '

INTERNATIONAL CONISSION IN VIETNAM TAKING SOME ACTION WHICH MIGHT
CARRY US SOME WAY FORWARD TO A NEGOTIATION.

TO THIS END, I HAVE

HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INDIAN HIGH COMMISSIONER HERE AS WELL AS
WITH YOUR AMBASSADOR.

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1. AM UNDER NO ILLUSION ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WHICH WILL

HAVE TO BE OVERCOME IF THE OBJECTIVE - WHICH I AM SURE OUR TWO
GOVERNMENTS SHARE - OF A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT TO THIS PROBLEI IS TO

BE ACHIEVED.

IT SEEMS TO ME, HOWEVER, THAT OUR METOBERSHIP IN THE

VIETNAM COMISSION GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION
IN THIS DIRECTION.

INDEED, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT CRITICISM BEING

. DIRECTED AT THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF ITS APPARENT INACTIVITY IN
THE FACE OF A SITUATION WHICH IS OF GROWING INTERNATIONAL CONCERN.
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I AM AWARE, FROM OUR COMMISSION ASSOCIATION AND MOST

RECENTLY FROM REPORTS I HAVE SEEN OF THE CONTENTS OF YOUR

PRESIDENTS REPLY TO PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH’S LETTER OF JAN 24, THAT
THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VIEWS OF OUR TWO

GOVERNMENTS ON THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM IN VIETNAM.

WHAT MATTERS

MOST AT THIS STAGE, HOWEVER, ARE NOT OUR DIFFERENCES, BUT WHETHER
THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES FOR A COMMON POSITIVE APPROACH TO THIS

PROBLEM THROUGH OUR COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP.

I WOULD, MYSELF,

STRONGLY FAVOUR SUCH AN APPROACH AND HAVE BEEN DIRECTING MY
THINKING TO THE POSSIBILITIES THAT MAY BE OPEN TO US.

I WOULD HOPE

TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS TO YOUR AMBASSADOR IN

DUE COURSE.

IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD BE VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOUR

REACTION TO THE GENERAL IDEA OF A COMMISSION INITIATIVE IN THE
RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES ENDS.

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HIGH COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE REPORTED TO YOU, I HAVE BEEN GIVING
THOUGHT TO THE POSSIBILITIES THAT BAY BE OPEN TO US AS MEMBERS OF
THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION IN VIETNAM TO BRING THE' PRESENT
CONFLICT CLOSER TO A NEGOTIATION.

I AM WELL. AWARE OF THE

DIFFICULTIES WHICH ANY SUCH COMMISSION INITIATIVE IS LIKELY TO
FACE.

NEVERTHELESS IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT OUR COMMON MEMBERSHIP

IN THAT ORGANIZATION 'PRESENTS US NOT ONLY WITH AN- OPPORTUNITY, BUT
WITH AN OBLIGATION TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN DO ANYTHING WHICH WOULD

CARRY US AT LEAST A STEP OR TWO ALONG THE WAY TO A PEACEFUL

NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT.

2.

I WAS PLEASED TO HAVE THE PRELIMINARY REACTIONS OF THE

GOVT OF INDIA WHICH MR. ACHARYA CONVEYED TO ME ON FEB 16.

I AGREE

WITH YOU THAT AN INDIAN-CANADIAN MAJORITY APPROACH WOULD NOT BE

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I THOUGHT I SHOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE NOW SENT A

MESSAGE TO MR. RAPACKI EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION MAY
BE ABLE TO PLAY A USEFUL ROLE AND ASKING FOR HIS VIEWS ON WHETHER,

IN SPITE OF OUR DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT OF MANY ASPECTS OF THE
VIETNAM PROBLEM, THERE ARE ANY POSSIBILITIES FOR A COMMON POSITIVE

APPROACH TO THIS PROBLEM THROUGH OUR COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP.

I

TOLD MR. RAPACKI THAT I WOULD HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME CONCRETE
SUGGESTIONS TO OUR COMMISSION PARTNERS IN DUE COURSE AND THAT, IN

THE MEANTIME, I ’WOULD WELCOME HIS REACTION TO THE GENERAL IDEA OF

A COMMISSION INITIATIVE IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES.

3.

I HAVE ALSO NOTED YOUR VIEW THAT, PROVIDED WE CAN AGREE

AMONG OURSELVES, WE SHOULD CONSIDER BRINGING THE CO-CHAIRMEN INTO

THE PICTURE AT AN EARLY STAGE.
VERY MUCH IN MY MIND.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS IS ALSO

I SHOULD TELL YOU, HOWEVER, THAT I AM NOT

THINKING IN TERMS OF A COMISSION INITIATIVE DIRECTED, TO THE SIMPLE /
PURPOSE OF CALLING FOR A RESUMED GENEVA CONFERENCE.

IT IS MY

JUDGMENT THAT SUCH A CALL WOULD NOT PRODUCE RESULTS IN PRESENT

CIRCUMSTANCES.

WHAT I ENVISAGE IS RATHER A SERIES OF SOUNDINGS, '

BASED ON THE PUBLICLY EXPRESSED POSITIONS OF THE PARTIES, TO THE

POINT WHERE THE PARTIES THEMSELVES MAY BE PREPARED TO ENTER INTO

INFORMAL CONTACT AS A PRELUDE, IN DUE COURSE, TO FORMAL
NEGOTIATIONS.

4.

I VISITED NEW YORK LAST WEEK TO DISCUSS OUR PRESENT

THINKING WITH THE SECRETARY GENERAL AND AMBASSADOR GOLDBERG.

I

SUBSEQUENTLY WENT TO WASHINGTON FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH SECRETARY

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I THOUGHT I SHOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT REACTIONS IN BOTH

NEW YORK AND WASH WERE POSITIVE.

THE SEC GEN DOES NOT THINK

DISCUSSION OF THE VIETNAM PROBLEM IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL IS LIKELY
TO BE HELPFUL IN PRESENT CIRC DISTANCES.

HE REGARDS THE GENEVA

FRAMEWORK AS PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE IN WHICH PROGRESS CAN BE MADE.

.

HE AGREED THAT A PROBING EXERCISE BY THE COMMISSION POWERS COULD BE

USEFUL AT THIS STAGE IN NARROWING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MAIN
PARTIES IN ANTICIPATION; OF CONDITIONS IN WHICH NEGOTIATIONS MIGHT

BE UNDERTAKEN.

6.

RUSK EMPHASIZED THAT IT HAD BEEN THE U.S.A. AIM FOR SOME

TIME TO FIND MEANS OF ENGAGING THE TWO SIDES IN MEANINGFUL
DISCUSSIONS.

THIS CONTINUED TO BE THEIR AIM AND THEY WOULD BE

PREPARED TO LEND WHATEVER SUPPORT THEY COULD TO A COMMISSION

INITIATIVE IN THE DIRECTION I HAD OUTLINED.

7.

I RECOGNIZE THAT TIMING WILL BE AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN

X ANY OPERATION ON WHICH WE MAY BE ABLE TO AGREE.' I WOULD HOPE THAT,
AT SOME STAGE, IT MIGHT’ BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO MEET TO CONSIDER THE
FORM AND CONTENT OF A COMMISSION EFFORT DIRECTED TOWARDS PEACE IN

VIETNAM.

MEANWHILE, I SHALL BE GLAD TO KEEP YOU INFORMED OF OUR

THINKING AND OF ANY REACTIONS WE GET TO OUR PRESENT PRELIMINARY
SOUNDINGS.

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SEE ME TODAY AND HANDED TO ME RAPACKIS WRITTEN REPLY TO YOUR. MSG.

(RIGINAL TEXT IN POLISH IS ACCOMPANIED BY FOLLOVING QUOTE UNOFFICIAL
UNQUOTE ENGLISH TRANSLATION.

2.BEGINS:I RECEIVED YOUR MSG TRANSMITTED ON FEB22 THROUGH THE CDN
AMBASSADOR IN WSAW MR BERLIS.I AM ALSO FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE
CONVERSATIONS WHICH YOU HELD RECENTLY WITH THE POLISH AMBASSADOR

IN OTT MR WOLNIAK.

I WELL "UNDERSTAND AND SHARE YOUR CONCERN AND ANXIETY. I,TOO,DEPLORE

THAT IN THE FACE OF A SERIOUS SITUATION THE ICSC REMAINS INACTIVE.I

STILL HOPE THAT THERE MAY COME A TIME IN WHICH THE CIRCUMSTANCES
AND CONCURRENCE OF ACTION OF ITS MEMBERS WILL ALLOW THE COMMISSION,
WITHIN THE LIMITS OF ITS COMPETENCE ANDPOSSIBILITIES FOLLOWING

FROM THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS,TO CONTRIBUTE TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF

THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT. IF WE DID NOT RPT NOT TAKE SUCH A POSSIBILITY INTO ACCOUNT WE WOULD HAVE TO REGARD THE EXISTENCE OF THE

COMMISSION AS AN ANACHRONISM AND THE FURTHER PARTICIPATION OF
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SYSTEMATICALLY ANALYSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM

I BEAR CONTINUOUSLY IN MIND ALSO THAT POINT OF VIEW I CONSIDER AS
PURPOSEFUL THE EXCHANGE OF OPINIONS ON THE QUESTION OF VIETNAM

BETWEEN POLAND AND ALL COUNTRIES,ESPECIALLY .MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATL
COMMISSION. I THINK IT, HOWEVER,TO BE URGENT AND NECESSARY TO DRAW

YOUR ATTN TO THE QUESTION WHICH IN MY OPINION IS OF KEY IMPORTANCE
FOR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM AND NOT RPT
NOT ONLY IN VIETNAM.

GUIDED BY THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF HER FOREIGN POLICY AND BY A
SENSE OF DUTY WHICH,IN OUR UNDERSTANDING,THE MEMBERSHIP IN THE

COMMISSION IMPOSES UPON HER,POLAND HAS NEVER GIVEN UP ATTEMPTS WITH
A VIEW TO CONTRIBUTE TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF THE VIETNAMESE

CONFLICT.
1 BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ACQUAINTED,AT LEAST IN GENERAL OUTLINE,

WITH THE SERIOUS EFFORTS WHICH WE UNDERTOOK IN THE PERIOD FROM END

a DEC LAST YEAR TILL END OF JAN IN ORDER TO CREATE CONDITIONS
WHICH WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY MAKE POSSIBLE PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS.UN-

FORTUNATELY THOSE EFFORTS!WERE STOPPED AND TO A LARGE EXTENT

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OF THAT SORT MIGHT LEAD.
I AVAIL MYSELF OF THE CONFD CHARACTER OF OUR EXCHANGE OF VIEWS IN
(RDER TO PRESENT THE MATTER WITH FULL CLARITY.IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY

OUTSIDE CONSIDERATIONS A CONTINUATION OF THE USA MILITARY ACTION

AGAINST DRV WILL BE MET WITH A GROWING ASSISTANCE FOR DRVTHE

TERRITORY OF THE DRV IS BECOMING AN AREA OF CONFRONTATION ENGAGING
INCREASINGLY POWERFUL FORCES.WITH EVERY MONTH GROWS THE DANGER,

WHICH IT WILL BE MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO CONTROL,CONTAIN,
LOCALIZE.

AS FOR THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT ITSELF USA THROUGH BOMBING AND

OTHER MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV,WILL ACHIEVE NOTHING,BUT WILL
CLOSE THE ROAD TO PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS.

NO RPT NO GOVT WHICH DOES NOT RPT NOT WANT TO BE A GOVT OF

CAPITULATION WILL NEGOTIATE UNDER BOMBS FALLING ON ITS COUNTRY OR
UNDER THE THREAT OF BOMBARDMENT.

THE MSG OF THE PRESIDENT OF DRV,HO CHI MINH,TO THE CHAIRMAN OF
THE COUNCIL OF STATE E OCHAB OF JAN24 LEAVES NO RPT NO DOUBT THAT

SUCH IS THE RESOLUTE ATTITUDE OF THE GOVT OF DRV.
THE UNCONDITIONAL AND FINAL CESSATION OR BOMBING AND OF'OTHER

ISA MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV IS THE FIRST AND BASIC PREMISE FOR
SEARCHING APPROPRIATE WAYS OF A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF THE VIETNAMESE
SITUATION AND FOR PREVENTING VERY SERIOUS AND GROWING THREATS TO A

PEACEFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE INTERNATL SITUATION.
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SHOULD,IN MY OPINION,USE ALL THEIR INFLUENCE SO THAT THIS PREMISE BE

FULFILLED.AS FOR INTERWATL COMMISSION TAKING OF A STAND ON USA

MILITARY ACTION AGAINST THE DRV UNQUESTIONABLY COMES UNDER HER COMJ

PETENCE AND DUTIES.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT VIETNAMESE PROBLEM IS A COMPLEX ONE.MANY
OTHER CONTENTIOUS QUESTIONS ARE ON THE AGENDA.BUT AS. LONG AS
MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS ON THESE PROBLEMS

BETWEEN INTERESTED PARTIES SERVE NO RPT NO USEFUL PURPOSE AND NO RPT
NO UNDERTAKINGS BY THE COMMISSION WILL CHANGE THAT.
HOWEVER DIFFICULT THE FURTHER ROAD TO A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT OF THE

VIETNAMESE CONFLICT MIGHT BE ATTEMPTS SHOULD BE MADE,FIRST OF ALL,TO
ELIMINATE THAT ASPECT OF THE CONFLICT WHICH IS MOST PERILOUS TO THE
WHOLE INTERNATL SITUATION,IE USA MILITARY ACTION AGAINST DRV AND

THEREBY OPEN UP AT THE SAME TIME THE ROAD FOR EFFORTS TOWARDS PEACE
IN VIETNAM ITSELF.IN THIS RESPECT THE POSSIBILITIES OF CDA ARE
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