https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/711afe85731ebe91eb03c5526d00cb8c.pdf a82bd45a5477534fbdcd119b966cdb86 PDF Text Text - - . ... --- - > . ~ .9 Document disclosed under the Access toInformation Act ‘Document divutgud en-vertu de la hoi lur I'acces a I'information Classification downgraded to SSSR3P-uthority: nemo of 11^/13/63 57 22 2 9‘4‘ APPENDIX 28 2o 2 2 - 0/ 7. - 2 - •’ / / TCP SECRET 77 BACON June 11, 1965 MEMORANDUM FOR THE MINISTER ' Exchange of Hessages with North Vietnam The Prime Minister has commented on the most . recent papers on this subject which he saw yesterday, indicating dissatisfaction with the . partial withholding of information by the U.S.A, and. by France. 2. I thought that you would wish to comment on the Prime Minister’s observations and I am accordingly attaching for your signature, if you approve, a memorandum to the Prime Minister giving further details. 3 I am also attaching for your own signature, if you agree, a personal letter to Charles Ritchie in Washington / - ‘r 0/ 7 Y. X 1 c) M.C. 000259 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information C* y SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MEMORANDUM FOR: oP SECRET BACON June 11, 1965 THE PRINE MINISTER Messages to and from North V i etnam in view of your comments yesterday on a memorandum and related papers dealing with exchanges of messages with North Vietnam, I thought that I should bring to your attention the following facts which are relevant to your comments: “The U.S.A, should have told us of (1) the French exchange before we sent Seaborn to Hanoi”. The Americans did in fact provide us with a certain amount of information about the conversation in Paris between the French Foreign Office and the North Vietnamese representative there. This was given to us on May 28, but as Charles Ritchie subsequently reported, these comments were not volunteered but given in response to Ritchie’s specific enquiry which, in turn, was based on C.I.A. rather than State Department sources. It was not until June 7 that the fuller account, which you saw yesterday, was given to us in Washington. I agree that this is not a very satisfactory state of affairs, although Bundy’s explanation ("reason for initial U.S.A, reserve with us had been that they wished to see whether a new channel was in fact about to open up at initiative of DRVN") may seem, from the U.S. point of view, to have a certain element of validity. I have, however, written to Charles Ritchie on a personal basis indicating that we were not altogether happy with this display of reserve, whatever the reasons for it, which seems especially inappropriate- in the light of our willingness to. be helpful in this connection. ... 2 000260 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information TOP SECRET BAG OH= •========= & 2 - "The French told us nothing.yet they (2) expected us to give them an account of Seaborn’s visit. If there is to be an exchange with Paris on these matters, it is to be reciprocal Although most-of our detailed knowledge ... of what transpired in Paris between the Quai d’Orsay and the North Vietnamese representative has come from Washington, the French were not entirely silent on the subject and on May 28 our Embassy in Paris reported on an earlier conversation with the Quai d'Orsay in which some mention is made of these discussions. I am attaching for your information a copy of telegram 1038 of May 28 from Paris in which the first paragraph is relevant. Although the North Vietnamese approach was mentioned, I would agree that it was not presented in a very forthcoming manner, nor in a way which would indicate the French assessment of its significance. It is, of course, possible to suggest that the 2. price we have to pay for an independent policy and a considerable degree of freedom of manoeuvre will be the reluctance of the U.S... (and indeed France, but for different reasons) to tell us everything. The Australians . (and the New Zealanders) have committed themselves unequivocally to U.S. policies in Vietnam, and.it seems clear from the attached copy of telegram No. 1923 of June 10 from Washington, reporting on Sir Robert Menzies’ visit to Washington, that in the passing of information, the Australians are getting “most favoured nation” treatment. We can obviously not go as far as the Australians have, even if we wanted to, and this I suspect is a problem with which we will simply have to live. In fact, we may be able to turn it to advantage when conditions appear more propitious than at present for a further initiative aimed at bringing these problems under negotiation. «eo 3 000261 J • �Documentvisclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information TOP SECRET BACON - 3 On this last point, you will be particularly 3. interested in paragraphs 4 and 5 of the attached Washington telegram. This and other information indicates beyond much doubt that we cannot really hope for any "opening’ on the Communist side, with respect to negotiating prospects, until the end of the rainy season, i.e, until about October. 1 717 • P.M. 000262 8* � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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