https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/7f73b16c73efcd7eaa1d375f5e06efe4.pdf 88b51af0ed9071c88ec576ebd64673a7 PDF Text Text Classification dow raced toSgRmtlarits Jo of 1egyPpqumenggisclosecundertheAccessto"InformationAct ^^^fdivulgueen verkpteN54uK"Gge*s a /'information MtSAGL =xresattnnesraa JUNE 8, 1965 EXT OTT E SECURITY SECURE FILE/DOSSIER DATE 3.3 42/ - eOP sr D. COP PRECEDENCE NO Y-44,2 TO/A WASHIC (FOR AMBASSADOR ONLY) INFO .SAIGON (POR CONNISSIONER OHLY) REF YOURTsL 1863 JUNE 7 SUB/SUJ MESSAGES TO AND FROM DRVN OPI.SD WE AGREE WITH REASONS YOU ADVANCED (PARA 10 RENTAL) FOR JCT MAKING PUBLIC, EITHER OPENLY OR THROUGH GUIET CONVERSATIONS, ANY REFERENCE TO C..NADIAN CONNISSIONSR’S SPECIAL MSSENGER ROLE IN VIETNAM, OR ANY DSTAILED ND INTERPRETIVE ACCOUNT OF SEABORN’S RECENT CONVERSATION ITH NORTH VIETNAIESE F.No BEYOND SSEA’S STATENENT IN HOUSE YESTERDAY, HICH SHOULD HOOVER PROVE HELPFUL YOU MY REAFFIRM THIS AS OFFICIAL VIES AND ASK STATE 2. DEPT TO CONFIRM THEIR JILLINGNESS TO CONSULT US BEFORE INKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE NATTERS YOU HAVE DOUBTLESS DRAWN ATTENTION OF STATE DEFT TO SbEA’S 3. . COM ENTS IN HOUSE YESTERDAY (OUR PST 100 OF JUNE 7) IN WHICH MINISTER ACKNC/LEDGED THAT SEABORN HAD HAD CONVERSATION WITH POREIG MINISTER BUT EMPHASIZED CaNADIN CHARACTER OF INITIATIVE. E HOPE / IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO MAINTIN THIS POSITION PUBLICLY FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF SEABORN’S' POSITION ND MAINTENANCE OF CHANNEL FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE USE. DISTRIBUTION ‘ AL/ LOCALE NO DISTRIBUTION _ _ORIGINATOR/REDACTEUR_ SIG, ... DEL. OR PH /RD TELEPHONE ! (Pl APPROVED/AUTORISE s i g ..,.k ............... •...................... . .old .Si th.ijen (Seen by A 0 A A.)0 EXT 18/BIL (REV 5/64) (COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION DIV) 000252 �document disclosed under the Access to Infc Ration Act Document divulgue en vertu de la fs a I'mformation' ....... -uthority:memo of May/13/68 ’ 0 503 (70 2 —7002s APPNNDTX 27A ACTION COPY FM WASHDC JUN7/65FSEC BACON / 55 /9 TO EXTERNAL/ATTN ARNOLD SMITH AND FAREAST DIV)IMMED A‘HL/MeTAM1 1 2 0 - 2.2 - 2e rs - 2 -/ INFO TT SAI GON (FOR SEABORN ) DI RECT PRIORITY DE OTT REF SAIGON TEL 462 JUN 4 3 • Gersoersnsscctaa MSGS TO AND FRO DRVN WILLIAM BUNDY, ASST SEC FOR FAREAST,TO WHOM I GAVE COPY OF REFTEL THIS % ORN ING, EX PRESSED GREAT APPRECIATION FOR SEABORNS REPORT.HE THEN WENT ON TO DISCUSS TACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR USA ADMIN WHICH MIGHT ARISE FROM FACT THAT FRENCH WERE NOW SPREADING A RATHER DIFFERENT AND,Hr FFLT,ISLEADING ACCOUNT OF DRVN THINKING BASED ON REMARKS ALLEGEDLY MADE RY DRVN REP IN PARIS MAY18. 2.AS INDICATED IN PARA5 MYTEL 1744 MAY28, I HAD RAISED WITH BUNDY LAST WEEK REPORT IN CI BULLETIN FOR MAY24 ABOUT APPROACH BY NVN REP IN PARIS TO FRENCH M MAY1S.BUNDY WAS OBVIOUSLY TAKEN ABACK TO LEARN THAT CIA HAD BRIEFED US ON THIS CONVERSATION, BUT HE RALLIED QUICKLY AND GAVE ME CONFIRMATORY ACCOUNT CONVEYED IN MYTEL 1744. 3.THIS MORNING EUNDY, IN OBVIOUS EMBARRASSMENT, REVERTED TO ABOVE MENTIONED INCIDENT AND EXPRESSED REGRET THAT USA AUTHORITIES,IN THEIF PREPARED BRIEF FOR SEABORN,HAD NOT RPT NOT FELT ABLE TO PROVIDE A COPLETELY FRANK ACCOUNT OF THEIR DEALINGS WITH DRVN, UNTIL I RAISED SUBJECT IN MANNER DESCRIBED IN PREVIOUS PARA.HE SAID USA HAD OF COURSE MADE NO RPT NO MENTION OF CDN CHANNEL TO FRENCH REASON FOR INITIAL USA RESERVE WITH US HAD BEEN THAT THEY WISHED TO SEE WHETHER A NEW CHANNEL WAS IN FACT ABOUT TO OPEN UP AT INITIATIVE OF DRVN. ., .2 000253 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a /'information PAGE TWO 1363 4. BUNDY THEN RECAPITULATED DRVN APPROACH TO FRENCH AS FOLLOWS.ON 9444 MAY20(TWO DAYS AFTER BOMBING HAD RESUMED FOLLOWING PAUSE)FRENCH ( LUC ET) I NF ORN ED US THAT ON MORNING OF MAY18 BO, DRVN REP IN PARIS, SOUGHT INTERVIEW WITH THEM, OBVIOUSLY ON INSTRUCTIONS. ALTHOUGH BM BING HAD STARTED AGAIN ON NIGHT OF MAY17-18,B0 MAY NOT RPT NOT HAVE KNOWN- THIS, AND HIS INSTRUCTIONS WERE UNDOUBTEDLY SENT DURING PAUSE).FIRST PART OF BOS COMMUNICATION WAS TO CONVEY IN FAMILIAR TERMS DRVN OBJECTIONS TO INDIAN PROPOSAL FOR AFRO-ASIAN FORCE. SECOND PART CONSISTED OF REITERATION OF PHAM VAN DONGS FOUR POINTS,BUT WHEREAS MOST DRVN PUBLIC STATEMENTS HAD INDICATED THAT THESE POINTS WERE THE ESSENTIAL OR'THE ONLY BASIS FOR SETTLEMENT, BO WAS QUOTED BY FRENCH AS SAYING MERELY THAT THESE POINTS WERE THE QUOTE BEST UNQUOTE BASIS FOR SETTLEMENT. (BUNDY TERMED THIS A QUOTE SHADING OF WORDING UNQUOTE).BO THEN REPORTEDLY WENT ON TO SAY THAT IF THERE WERE AGREEMENT ON THESE BASES OF NEGOTIATION, WAYS AND MEANS COULD BE FOUND IN PEACEFUL MANNER.WHEN FRENCH ASKED WHETHER USA WITHDRAWAL COULD BE DEPENDENT ON CONCLUSION OF A NEGOTIATION(IE WHETHER USA WITHDRAWAL UNDER HANOIS POINT I COULD COE LAST INSTEAD OF FIRST), EO ANSWERED AFFIRMATIVELY, AND IN RESPONSE TO FURTHER QUESTION SAID THAT HIS ANSWER WAS BASED ON INSTRUCTIONS. BUN DY POINTED OUT THAT IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT THIS REPRESENTED A STEP FORWARD ON PART OF DRVN, SO THAT IT WAS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST THAT DRVN FOREIGN MINISTER HAD WAFFLED ON THE SAME 1V POINT IN TALKING TO SEABORN (P ARA3 REFTEL). 5.FRENCH DID NOT RPT NOT ATTEMPT TO DRAW OUT BO FURTHER ON QUESTION . ..3 000254 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 1863 AS TO WHETHER ACCEPTANCE OR RECOGNITION OF 4 POINTS BY USA WAS' A FIRM DRVN CONDITION FOR NEGOTIATIONS.HERE AGAIN EVASIVE REPLY RECEIVED BY SEABORN WAS OF INTEREST. 6.BUNDY SAID USA. DID NOT RPT NOT RETURN ANY REPLY THROUGH FRENCH, IN PART BECAUSE USA OFFICIALS WERE NOT RPT NOT CONFIDENT THAT FRENCH COULD BE COUNTED ON TO PRESENT AMERICAN VIEWPOINT WITH PRECISION OF IMPARTIALITY. ) - i 7.BUNDY SAID THAT FRENCH HAD GIVEN ACCOUNT OF BOS REMARKS TO BRIT AND AUSTRALIANS KNEW THROUGH THEM;FRENCH MIGHT ALSO DIFFUSE THEIR ACCOUNT " ORE WIDELY ON DIPLO CIRCUIT, SO USA HAD TOLD SVN CCT. HIGHLY AWKWARD ASPECT WAS THAT FRENCH WERE ACCOMPANYING THEIR ACCOUNT WITH A GLOSS TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS DEMONSTRATED THAT DURING PAUSE DRVN HAD BEEN READY FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITHOUT PRE CONDITIONS.USA AUTHORI TIES (AN D PRIVATELY SOME FRENCH OFFICIALS) DID NOT RPT NOT COSIDER THAT BOS REMARKS WARRANTED THIS INTERpr e t a t io n ,pa r t ic u l a r l y w h en DRVN had d en o un c ed pa u s e in pu b l ic so STRONCLY.MORE SERIOUS WAS FACT THAT A FRENCH OFFICIALCMAN ACH)HAD GIVEN SIMILAR ACCOUNT TO SOME USA SENATORS, ADDING UNTRUTH THAT 'DRVN "SG WAS DELIVERED PRIOR TO RESUMPTION OF BOMBING; IN FACT, AS ALREADY INDICATED,BOMBING HAD STARTED BY TIME FRENCH WERE APPROACHED, AND THEY ONLY TOLD USA TWO DAYS LATER. I REMARKED THAT EOS MORE CONCILIATORY STATEMENT WAS MADE WHEN HE SUPPOSED THE PAUSE STILL TO BE IN EFFECT,WHEREAS THE MORE UNSATISFACTORY STATEMENT MADE TO SEABORN WAS MADE AFTER RESUMPTION OF THE BOMBING. ...4 000255 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE FOUR 1563 S.AS ONE SENATOR HAD ALREADY REFERRED TO BO-FRENCH EXCHANGE IN A CLOSED SENATE HEARING,BUNDY WAS CONCERNED THAT WHOLE MATTER MIGHT BEC GE PUBLIC VERY SOON. 9. BUN DYS PURPOSE IN TELLING ME ALL THIS WAS TO SOUND ME OUT ON POSSIBLE CDN REACTION IF STATE DEPT WERE TO COUNTER A FUTURE LEAK CN BO MSG BY MAKING PUBLIC REF TO FACT THAT CDN REP HAD RECENTLY. HAD CONVERSATION WITH DRVN ON SAME POINTS AND THAT HE HAD RECEIVED EVASIVE REPLY 10.IN REPLY I SAID THAT SPEAKING PERSONALLY I THOUGHT PROPOSAL MIGHT PRESENT DELICATE PROBLEMS IN TWO RESPECTS;(A)CIRCULATION OF COMPe ETING FRENCH AND CDN VERSIONS OF DRVN THINKING COULD BE AWKWARD ESPECIALLY SINCE FRENCH VERSION WOULD GIVE MORE FAVOURABLE INTER® PRETATION OF DRVN THINKING WHEREAS CDN VERSION WOULD BE MORE NEGATIVE; (B)CDN CHANNEL MIGHT BE SPOILT FOR FUTURE USE. 11.BUNDY TOOK THE HINT AND SAID THAT PERHAPS HIS QUERY HAD BEEN SETTLED BY OUR CONVERSATI ON.HE THEN SHOWED ME A PROPOSED USA PRESS GUIDANCE TEL AKINS NO RPT NO REF TO ANY CDN ROLE,BUT SAYING THAT USA,WHICH HAD LEARNT OF BOS APPROACH ONLY TWO DAYS LATER, HAD STUDIES'HIS COMMUNICATION VERY CAREFULLY AND SAW NO RPT NO REASON TO ALTER ITS CONCLUSION THAT HANOIS REACTION TO PAUSE HAD BEEN EGATIVE. 12.BUN DY HOWEVER WONDERED ALOUD WHETHER IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO BRIEF ONE OR TWO SENATORS CONFIDENTIALLY ON WHAT HAD REALLY TRANS- PIRED. OUR CONVERSATION ON THIS POINT CONCLUDED WITH HIS CONFIRM ATia; THAT USA WOULD SAY NOTHING PUBLICLY ABOUT CDN ROLE,AND THAT IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGE IN THIS POSITION HE WOULD LET ME o • o5 000256 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act 1 Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAO - Ivi 1ut TaAT : KNC. I 74 I . CANNOT RPT NOT EXCLUDE POSSIBILITY THAT IF r’RTdis FAS S.-IPI20 LEAKS DEVELOP, USA ADM IN MAY F A JL.IE. TJ TAL: US JI:TLY T0 ONE OR TWO KEY SENATORS ABOUT GRNE2L TENuR Ur SeA20 EVLLOPL OK ASI. AS A FINDINS IN HANOI. INDEED IF PRESSURE -SULT OF LEAKS THIS MGHT TAKE PLACE. IN Tiik CICUSTACiS I SHOULD BE CATEFUL IF YOU COULDCPROVIDED OF COURSE THAT Yii 4. R Cl)’ ILi ITU THL. PERSONAL POSITION I TOOK IN PAR 10 “IRM IT AS OFFICIAL VIEW AND ASK STATE ABC) J STRUCT LPT T- CF If a v *4 i .A PT KO STATEMENT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE AS TO- ITnOJ FULL PRIOR CONSULTATION WITH US I7c/15 000257 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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