https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/719e4b7f79c2c7e3f45ab73399cd40d5.pdf 6eb62b1b92d58a0df39ae05987ee3772 PDF Text Text Document disclj!s^3fl^SlS^Aaie)s to Information Act Document divulgueen vertu de la Lolsur I'acces a /'information ACCOm P " " 5 — sd s’* 44 2 Classification coin graded to SCCRET-luthority:memo of Hay/13/68 * t 6 -/ FMCANDEL SAIGON JUN 4/65 SEC BACON NO RPT NO DISTRIBUTION t‘ever--ym-aanese-T? trusa TO EXTERNAL 462 IMMED 5*7 20.220 1 INFO WASHDCG AMBASSADOR ONLY)IMMED FOE ARNOLD SMITH AND FAREAST DIV ONLY a. REF YOURTEL Y112 MAY30 AND WASHDC TEL1739 MAY28 VISIT TO HANOI DURING CALL ON COL HA VAN LAU JUN1 I ENQUIRED ABOUT CALING ON PM,NEW FM OR DEFENCE MINISTER.COL LAU DID NOT RPT NOT ASK WHETHER THERE WAS SPECIAL PURPOSE FOR REQUEST BUT I Al REASONABLY SURE HE UNDERSTOOD ITS SIGNIFICANCE. HE SAID MTG WIGHT BE DIFFIUCLT BECAUSE OF CURRENT SOLIDARITY CONFERENCE AND BEGINNING OF SUMMER HOLIDAY SEASON BUT HE WOULD ENQUIRE AND LET ME KNOW. 2. ON NORNING JUN3 I WAS TOLD I COULD WAKE HALF HOUR CALL ON FM NGU/EN DUY TRINH AT END OF AFTERNOON. AFTER OPEING CIVILITIES, I EXPRESSED CDN CONCERN OVER VN SITUATION, OUR DESIRE TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER THERE WERE PROSPECTS FOR TALKS,AND OUR WILLINCNESS TO PBAY HELPFUL ROLE INCLUDING THAT OF INTERMEDIARYCYOUR TEL G154 MAY28)NEW FM SEEMED GENUINELY UNAWARE THAT I HAD PASSED PREVIOUS MSGS TO PM.HE INPLIED USA POSTION AS TOO WELL KNOWN FOR ME TO HAVE TO REITERATE IT AND SAID DRVN REPLY TO USA PROPOSALS HAD BEEN GIVEN IN PHAAVAN DONGS FOUR POINTS OF APRS. WITH THIS LEAD I SOUGHT CLARIFICATION ALONG LINES SUGGESTED IN PARAG OF USA MSG. I COULD ELICIT NO RPT NO CLEARER REPLY THAN HAVE OTHERS WHO HAVE MADE SAME ATTEMPT.FM SAID FOUR POINTS WERE QUOTE BASIS FOR SOLUTION OF VN QUESTIONS UNQUOTE BUT THAT THERE HAD TO BE QUOTE FAVOURABLE CONDITIONS III ORDER TO NEGOTIATE UNCUOTE. ..2 . U.c \ 1 \ 000242 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en veriu d^ la. Loi sur l'acces a /'information % 1. .. 3 pa g e t w o 462 PRESIDENT JOHNSON SPEAKS OF UNCONDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS BUT HIS CONDITIONS ARE THAT USA WILL NOT RPT NOT GIVE UP AGGRESSION AGAINST SVN,VILL NOT RPT NOT RECOGNIZE UNIFIED VN AND WILL NOT RPT NOT RECOGNIZE LIBERATION FRONT. SHAKING FURTHER ATTEMPT I ASKED WHETHER WITHDRAWAL OF USA TROOPS AS STATED IN POINT ONE WAS PRE-CONDITION TO NEGOTIATIONS OR WHETHER IT WAS SEEN AS TERMINAL POINT IN FINAL SETTLEMENT OF VN PROBLEM. PEPLY WAS THAT QUOTE WE MUST CONSIDER USA ATTITUDE TO ALL FOUR POINTS UNQUOTE AND IN ANY EVENT NUMBER OF USA TROOPS IS STILL GROWING NOT RPT NOT DIMINISHING AND USA IS INTENSIFYING WAR. 4. I THEN ASKED FM IF HE WAS NEVERTHELESS INTERESTED IN HEARING USA MSG. HE INDICATED INDIFFERENCE BUT SAID GO AHEAD.MSG WAS THEN PUT INTO VIETNAMESE BY INTERPRETER WHILE FM ATTEMPTED NOT RPT NOT TO SHOW GROWING DISPLEASURE.AT END HE SAID HE HOPED I APPRECIATED HIS PATIENCE IN LISTENING TO THE END. VN PEOPLE HE SAID HAVE GIVEN REPLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.THEY WILL STRIKE BACK AT AGGRESSORS.SVN PROBLEMS SHOULD BE SOLVED BY LIBERATION FRONT. DRVN WILL STRIKE BACK AT ITS ATTACKERS WHO WILL BE DEFEATED. AS SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, WE CANNOT RPT NOT ACCEPT CONDITIONS -OF AGGRESSORS. RATHER THAN ACT AS SUCH AN INTERMEDI ARY,CDA SHOULD STRIVE FOR FULFILLMENT OF GENEVA AGREEMENTS AMD OPPOSE AGGRESSORS. 5.THROUGHOUT INTERVIEW FM SHOWED LITTLE INCLINATION TO ENTER 3 000243 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 462 INTO SUBSTANTIVE DIALOGUE AND EVEN LESS INTEREST IN HEARING USA MSG.HE MOVED TO LOSE CONVERSATION AFTER HEARING MSG 6.INTERVIEW WITH FM CONFIRMS MY OWN OPINION WHICH IS THAT OF ALL FOREIGN OBSERVERS WITH WHOM I SPOKE IN HANOI,NAMELY, THAT DRVN IS NOT RPT NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING TO USA AT PRESENT TIME.NOR IS IT PREPARED TO CLARIFY FOUR POINTS WHICH IT PROBABLY FEELS ARE BEST LEFT WITH SOME VAGUENESS.I CAN FIND NO RPT NO INDICATION OF ANY DESIRE TO PICK UP SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES GIVEN BY PRESIDENT JOHNSON AND OTHERS'TO TALK RATHER THAN GO ON FIGHT- ING.LEADERSHIP GIVES EVERY SIGN OF BEING CONFIDENT IN ITS STAND, PERHAPS EVEN MORE CONFIDENT THAN DURING MY LAST VISIT JUST AFTER AIRSTRIKES BEGAN, AND DETERMINED NOT RPT NOT TO BE DISSUADED FROM ITS PRESENT COURSE ALMOST REGARDLESS OF DURATION OF WAR OR OF DAMAGES AND HARDSHIP TO WHICH THEY MAY BE SUBJECTED. 7.IN OTHER TELS OR LETS I SHALL GIVE FULLER REPORTS OF THIS AND OTHER CONVERSATIONS IN HANOI. 8.1 SHALL SHOW COPY OF THIS TEL TO AMBASSADOR JOHNSON IN SAICO SEABORN . i I I I 1 I I 000244 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00044 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 25 - Saigon telegram 462 outlining Seaborn's report Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 04-Jun-65 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 12, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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