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Following clearance with, you yesterday, and with
inonsieur Cnoque P S , tne Queoec limistsr oi Justice; wi un
wuom i spoke cn tne telephone VIPP Quebec City) xasT mgnt,
I attended a meeting in Monsieur ST. Pierre's office This
morning. M. S T . Pierre is Director General oi Quebec
Police force. He had with him MA St. Aubin, who is Director
of the Montreal Police, and Assistant Commissioner Dube,
the local head of The R.C.M.P. Mr. Ashford accompanied me.
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. Invited to make an opening statement, I made it
clear that we had not come to interfere with existing links
with Ottawa, to offer criticism or advice of Police efforts,
or TO discuss policy. I said That we well appreciated that
they had a very difficult problem on their hands as regards
the retrieval of Mr. Cross, and we hoped That The very
strenuous efforts they were making would be continued until
a successful result was obtained.
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However, as more than four weeks had now elapsed
it seemed reasonable that certain practical contingencies
snouio. Dc discussed oecause some oi up.8 asbumpTions \,c.g.
Mr. Cross's own health, if alive) might cause us TO revise
our intended arrangements. V/e might have to act quickly, and
together, at very short notice, and if we could discuss what
was in oue ano oner s mines now IT might save delay anc comusioi
when we least wanted it.
4.
This premis- was accepted oy those present, anc ou
that base we decided to discuss the practical points aT issue.
5.
The first of these was retrieval cf Mr. Cross alive.
Originally we had hoped, aped the evidence of ETs letTers would
supporx tins, that ne would oe aOj_e TO emerge ir a lairiy
buoyant condition. However, it seemed now prudent to make
provision against the likelihood that a long period of mental
STrain, lack of physical exercise, probable poor1 nutrition,
and lack of proper medical care, might mean that Mr. Cross's
condition would have deteriorated. Added to This There was the
possibility of some accident,if a violent confrontation between
T he kidnappers and the authorities should take olace
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In the discussion thai followed it was agreed that a
plan should be set up for immediate access to a suitable
hospital, preferably with helicopter access, and I'undertook
to explore this initially with Mr. Cross's doctor in Montreal
and then with Assistant Commissioner Dub6, who would ensure
That whatever plan was agreed on was communicated to the others
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M. St. Pierre asked if Mr. Cross would be available
for interrogation. I said that we would v/ish This to be possiblt
but it would have tc be consistent with his mental and physical
condition. There v/ould be an opportunity before he departed
irom Montreal, and if They wished TO asr-p nim further Questions
in the United Kingdojm aT a later date this could always be
arranged through the official channel. If they wished to send
one of their investigators subsequently TO see Mr. Cross in
England, .this again could probably be arranged, but M. St. Pier:
acknowledged that in a period of convalescence they would wish
TO respect Mr. Cross's desire to forget the whole thing at
least for a time.
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If Mr. Cross v/as originally received in a hospital,
the Police undertook to arrange immediate security which would
include a complete screening from the press.
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In response TO an enquiry aoout onward travel to the
U.K., I said that discussion was taking place in Ottawa with a
view to returning Mr. Cress to the U.K. either by A.A.?. ci~
R.C.A.F. aircraft. The Felice, said that they would be glad
to arrange Mr. Cross's transport to St. Hubert airfield for
this purpose and would use a helicopter if this should prove
to be more advantageous.
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In discussion of the possibility of Mr. Cross being
wounded in a confrontation with the kidnappers, M. St. Pierre
echoed what had been said to me on the previous evening XPT
X... cnoquette, tnao every care would oe tureen to avoid tPiis.
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V/e then turned to the possibility that Mr. Cross
might not survive and that his body mi gut oe found. As witn
the identification of Mr. Cross when alive, Mr. Ashford would
be asked to identify the body, and Mr. Imray was in reserve
if Mr. Ashford was at any time unavailable. The first notification in either event would come to me from the two membei A X
the anti-terrorist squad, who had been nominated to convey this
information and with whom we are in close almost daily touch.
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