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Copy No. ^3o?~/?~ L * / oL i * PERMANENT JOINT BOARD ON DEFENCE CANADA-UNITED STATES JOURNAL OF DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS FOR THE MEETING HELD AT CAMP GAGETOWN, NEW BRUNSWICK, CANADA 2k - 2$ AUGUST I 9 6 0 SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 000462 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) PERMANENT JOINT BOARD ON DEFENCE, CANADA-UNITED STATES Index of Subjects Discussed at Meeting of the Board held at Camp Gage town, New Brunswick, Canada 2h,-2S August i960 ITEM PAGE (UNCLASSIFIED) Introductory Remarks 2-3 (UNCLASSIFIED) Emergency Planning in Canada (UNCLASSIFIED) Information on Extension of Existing Navy Cross-Servicing Agreement (SECRET) Nike-Zeus System IL-$ BRIEFINGS 5 5 AGENDA 1, (SECRET) Report on the Third Meeting of the Canada- 6-7 United States Committee on Joint Defence 2, (SECRET) Storage of Nuclear Air-to-Air Defensive Weapons at Goose and Harmon 8-10 3, (CONFIDENTIAL) Pepperrell Air Force Base 11-13 it. (SECRET) Status of Air Defence Programme lii-15 5. (CONFIDENTIAL) Exercise SKY SHIELD 6. (CONFIDENTIAL) Standardization 17-20 7. (CONFIDENTIAL) Taxation of BMEWS Communications 21-23 8. (UNCLASSIFIED) Landing Fees for DEW Line Resupply Aircraft 9. (SECRET) Progress Reports: 16 2^-2$ a. (UNCLASSIFIED) Loan of Submarine Burrfish to the RCN 26 b. (SECRET) Canada-United States Long-Life Moored Sonobuoy Programme 26 c. (CONFIDENTIAL) USAF Personnel Strength in Canada 26 •d. (UNCLASSIFIED) Port Operations at Goose Bay Air Base 27 e. (UNCLASSIFIED) Transportation to the DEW Line 27-28 f. (SECRET) USAF Refuelling Bases 28 g. (SECRET) Defence Production Sharing 28-29 10. (UNCLASSIFIED) Date and Place of Next Meeting 29 11. (UNCLASSIFIED) Expression of Thanks 30 S E C R E T. (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 000463 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) JOURNAL OF DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS AT THE MEETING HELD AT CAMP GAGETOWN, NEW BRUNSWICK, CANADA, 2k - 2$ AUGUST I960 (UNCLASSIFIED) The following Members participated in the meeting: CANADIAN SECTION UNITED STATES SECTION Mr. L. Dana Wilgress Chairman Dr. John A. Hannah Chairman Rear Admiral E.P. Tisdall, Royal Canadian Nayy Major General Harvey H. Fischer United States Army Major General J.V» Allard Canadian Army Rear Admiral Harold M. Briggs United States Navy Air Commodore R.J. Lane Major General Thomas C. Darcy Royal Canadian Air Force (Acting) United States Air Force Mr. William H. Barton Department of External Affairs Mr. Woodbury Willoughby Department of State Mr. Freeman M. Tovell Department of External Affairs (Secretary) Mr. Harrison Burgess Department of State (Secretary) The following were also present: Mr, W.H. Huck Department of Defence Production Colonel Kenneth R. Kreps United States Air Force Major General A.E. Wrinch Canadian Army Colonel David R„ Crocker United States Army Group Captain G.H. Elms Royal Canadian Air Force Commander Ralph G. Johns, Jr., United States Navy. Colonel H.H.A. Parker Canadian Army Lt. Colonel Christian P. Peterson United States Air Force Commander V,W= Howland Royal Canadian Navy Colonel Gerald W. Homann United States Army Mr. R.B. Curry Emergency Measures Organization (Briefer) Lt„ Colonel Paul A. Baldy United States Army Lt. Colonel B.Fi. Stanford United States Army (Briefer) Major Co J. LeVan United States Army (Briefer S E C'• R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 000464 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information ^k S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) The Chairman of the Canadian Section opened the meeting by recalling that this,meeting at Camp Gagetown coincided almost to the day with the 20th anniversary of the first meeting of the Board which was held in Ottawa on August 26, 19i|-0. He went on to say that the Canadian Section was very pleased to be host to the United States Section after two delightful meetings in the United States. He added that General Allard would not be able to be present for the entire meeting as, for the moment, he was Acting Chief of the General Staff and his duties would require him to be in Ottawa except for the time necessary to present the item on Standardization. During his absence from the meeting, Major- General Wrinch would represent the Canadian Army. The Chairman of the Canadian Section went on to express regret that Air Vice Marshal Smith was ill and mentioned that Air Commodore Lane would be representing the RCAF. Mr. J.E. Devine of The Department of Transport had also been prevented from attending because of illness. He then introduced two new members of the Canadian Section, Colonel Harry H, Parker who is replacing Colonel Bailey, and Commander Vernon W. Howland who is replacing Commander Smyth, The Chairman of the United States Section expressed, for the United States Section, pleasure at being in New Brunswick and offered his particular appreciation to the Canadian Army for the excellent booklet which had been prepared to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Board, He said that the United States Section wished to express its deep regret to the Canadian Section and particularly to the Royal Canadian Air Force on the tragic death of two of its senior officers assigned to NORAD duties, namely, Air Commodore Joseph G„ Stephenson who died in the crash of a B-25 on 29 April near Milwaukee enroute to his post as Vice Commander of the 30th Air Division and Air Vice Marshal Keith L.B. Hodson, Deputy Chief of Staff, Operations, NORAD Headquarters, who died after parachuting from a disabled T-33 on 5 July near Colorado Springs. Both of these S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 2 - 000465 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information } S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) officers had contributed much toward the solution of the mutual problems the two countries face in making a bilateral command such as NORAD a smoothly working organization. They were experienced beyond their years and had much more to offer to the mutual defence effort. The United States Section wished to share with the Canadian Section the sincere regret at the tragic loss both countries suffered in their death. The Chairman of the United States Section went on to say that he had only one change in personnel to announce at this time. This would be the last meeting for the State Department Member, Mr. Woodbury Willoughby, who is to receive a new assignment. His successor has not yet been designated. The Chairman of the Canadian Section expressed thanks on behalf of the Canadian Section and on behalf of the next of kin of the two RCAF officers for the statement of sympathy by the United States Chairman. He added that he particularly regretted the departure of Mr. Willoughby from the Board because they had been associated for 12 years in various duties. He wished him success in his new field of endeavor. The Board agreed that letters of condolence should be sent on its behalf by the two Chairmen to Mrs. Hodson and Mrs. Stephenson. It also expressed its appreciation for the valuable services Mr. Willoughby had rendered the Board and wished him c well in his new appointment. S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 3- 000466 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information ^ S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) BRIEFINGS (UNCLASSIFIED) EMERGENCY PLANNING IN CANADA The Chairman of t h e C a n a d i a n S e c t i o n r e c a l l e d t h a t a t the l a s t m e e t i n g of t h e B o a r d i t h a d b e e n a g r e e d t h a t i t would be b r i e f e d by t h e D i r e c t o r of t h e Emergency M e a s u r e s Organization (EMO) and t h e M a j o r - G e n e r a l S u r v i v a l on e m e r g e n c y p l a n n i n g Canada. in He t h e n i n t r o d u c e d Mr, R . B . C u r r y , t h e D i r e c t o r of t h e Emergency M e a s u r e s O r g a n i z a t i o n , who b r i e f e d t h e B o a r d on t h e c i v i l i a n a s p e c t s of e m e r g e n c y p l a n n i n g i n C a n a d a . In the c o u r s e of h i s b r i e f i n g , approach Mr. C u r r y o u t l i n e d t h e c u r r e n t of t h e C a n a d i a n Government t o w a r t i m e e m e r g e n c y p l a n n i n g , the p l a n n i n g b e i n g done by h i s o r g a n i z a t i o n and b y t h e v a r i o u s p a r t m e n t s and a g e n c i e s of t h e C a n a d i a n Government and t h e o r d i n a t i n g r o l e of EMO b o t h f e d e r a l l y and r e g i o n a l l y . co- He a l s o t o u c h e d on t h e r o l e s of t h e P r o v i n c e s and m u n i c i p a l i t i e s e m e r g e n c y p l a n n i n g and c i v i l d e f e n c e . de- in M a j o r - G e n e r a l Wrinch b r i e f e d t h e B o a r d on t h e r o l e o f t h e C a n a d i a n Armed F o r c e s then in s u r v i v a l o p e r a t i o n s with p a r t i c u l a r emphasis being given to r o l e s a s s i g n e d t o them u n d e r t h e t e r m s of PC 6 £ 6 / 5 9 (The Defence O r d e r ) , field the Civil He d e s c r i b e d t h e Army's r e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s in the of w a r n i n g , n u c l e a r d e t o n a t i o n and f a l l o u t reporting, c o m m u n i c a t i o n s , r e - e n t r y and r e l a t e d o p e r a t i o n s , assistance to c i v i l a u t h o r i t y and t h e Army's o r g a n i z a t i o n f o r t h e s e tasks. As p a r t of h i s b r i e f i n g , various G e n e r a l Wrinch e x p l a i n e d t h e p i e c e s of e q u i p m e n t d i s p l a y e d and t h e o r g a n i z a t i o n of a provincial w a r n i n g e e n t r e , a m o d e l of which h a d b e e n e r e c t e d . The Chairman of t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s S e c t i o n s a i d a t t h e e l u s i o n of t h e s e two b r i e f i n g s t h a t he wished t o e x p r e s s a p p r e c i a t i o n of t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s - M e m b e r s f o r the con- the excellent S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - k 000467 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information S E C R E T U (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) briefing and demonstration that had been arranged for in response to a request of the United States, The Board commended the Emergency Measures Organization, the Canadian Defence forces and particularly the Canadian Army for their realistic plans and programmes as reported and suggested that the Defence forces of both countries have a continuing responsibility for assuring appropriate steps in each country to ensure maximum effort "to maintain civilian morale and the desire and ability to wage effective war in the.event of nuclear attack upon the two countries. (UNCLASSIFIED) INFORMATION ON EXTENSION OF EXISTING NAVY CROSSSERVICING AGREEMENT. The United States Navy Member introduced Commander Ralph G. Johns who presented a briefing for the Canadian Section on the revision of the current cross-servicing agreement which became possible under United States Public Law 86-55. The briefing showed how this revision would affect advance payments for such services as overhauling, repairs, alterations and installations of equipment. (SECRET) NIKE-ZEUS SYSTEM The United States Army Member introduced Lieutenant Colonel Frederick Stanford and Major C.J. LeVan who provided a briefing on the Nike-Zeus system which is being developed for the 19601970 period to provide the continental United States with a defence against the ICBM and other forms of air attack threats, The Board expressed its appreciation for these two interesting and informative briefings. S E 0 R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 5000468 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a ^information ^ S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 1. (SECRET) REPORT ON THE THIRD MEETING OF THE CANADA-UNITED STATES COMMITTEE ON JOINT DEFENCE The Chairman of the Canadian Section asked the External Affairs Member to give the Board a summary of the discussions of the Third Meeting of the Canada-United States Committee on Joint Defence, held at Montebello, Quebec, on July 12 and 13. The External Affairs Member began by saying that the Canadian Ministers regretted that at the last moment it had not been possible for the Secretary of State to attend. On the other hand, he had been ably represented by Mr. Merchant. Mr. Merchant and the two United States Secretaries reviewed the international situation from the point of view of their respective Departments. Mr. Merchant dealt particularly with Soviet policy since the collapse of the Summit, the Far East, Cuba, disarmament and negotiations for a nuclear test ban. Secretary Gates stressed the need to view United States defence policy as a whole and the reliance placed by the United States on collective security and the maintenance of adequate deterrent forces. Secretary Anderson outlined United States views on some of the economic problems of the Western Alliance* The External Affairs Member went on to say that there had been a good deal of discussion on continental air defence, with particular attention being devoted to the BOMARC programme, the manned bomber threat, possible replacement of the CF-100 and Exercise SKY SHIELD. The question of storage in and acquisition by Canada of nuclear weapons had also been discussed. The production sharing programme had been reviewed and the Committee had been briefed by the Deputy Director of National Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) on the US Government's outer space programme and by the Chairman of the Defence Research Board of Canada S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a {'information 9^ SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) on Canadian a c t i v i t i e s i n t h i s field. The E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s Member concluded by s a y i n g t h a t he b e l i e v e d t h e Meeting had been a most u s e f u l one. out d i f f e r e n c e s I t had brought of approach to c e r t a i n p r o b l e m s , but he had no doubt t h a t t h e d i s c u s s i o n s had l e d t o a b e t t e r u n d e r s t a n d i n g of each Government's p o i n t of view. The S t a t e Department Member agreed with t h i s adding t h a t while t h e r e had been d i f f e r e n c e s , conclusion, the d i s c u s s i o n s had a l s o r e v e a l e d many a r e a s of agreement . The Board thanked t h e E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s Member f o r h i s account of t h i s m e e t i n g . SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 7 - 000470 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information ^ S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 2. (SECRET) STORAGE OF NUCLEAR AIR-TO-AIR DEFENSIVE WEAPONS AT GOOSE BAY AND HARMON The Chairman of t h e C a n a d i a n S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t t h i s i t e m h a d b e e n p l a c e d on the a g e n d a a s i t h a d b e e n b e f o r e t h e B o a r d a t l a s t two m e e t i n g s and a r e p o r t on p r o g r e s s w o u l d b e expected. He r e c a l l e d t h a t s i n c e t h e l a s t m e e t i n g of t h e B o a r d t h i s matter h a d a l s o b e e n d i s c u s s e d a t t h e m e e t i n g of t h e C a n a d a - U n i t e d Committee oh J o i n t Defence a t w h i c h t i m e t h e U n i t e d the States States r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s h a d s t a t e d t h a t t h e y were p r e p a r e d t o a c c e p t Canadian d r a f t of t h e a n n e x a s i t s t o o d a t t h a t t i m e i f p o i n t s c o u l d be m e t . the two The U n i t e d S t a t e s w i s h e d t h e i n c l u s i o n of a provision to the e f f e c t that the r e q u i r e m e n t of Canadian a p p r o v a l f o r t h e movement of t h e weapons t o and from Canada would n o t i m p a i r t h e r i g h t of t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s t o r e t u r n t h e weapons t o t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s w h e n e v e r i t migh t deem i t a p p r o p r i a t e . S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s t e x t t o meet t h i s p o i n t . The suggested a possible The U n i t e d S t a t e s a l s o w i s h e d t o h a v e t h e s u b s t a n c e of t h e e x p l a n a t o r y comments p r o v i d e d by t h e C a n a d i a n Ambassador i n W a s h i n g t o n t o t h e S t a t e D e p a r t m e n t given more f o r m a l s t a t u s . take The C a n a d i a n M i n i s t e r s h a d a g r e e d t o up t h e s e two p o i n t s w i t h t h e i r date. As y e t , h o w e v e r , colleagues in C a b i n e t a t an e a r l y t h e C a n a d i a n Government h a d n o t b e e n t o r e a c h a d e c i s i o n on t h i s able matter. The Chairman of t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t c l u s i o n of an a g r e e m e n t t o p r o v i d e f o r s t o r a g e of con- air-to-air d e f e n s i v e n u c l e a r weapons a t Goose Bay and Harmon was of great i m p o r t a n c e t o t h e d e f e n c e of N o r t h A m e r i c a . discussions He r e c a l l e d on t h i s a r r a n g e m e n t e a r l y i n 1958 when j o i n t RCAF-USAF m e e t i n g s c o n s i d e r e d s t o r a g e a t Goose Bay of b o t h s t r a t e g i c and a i r weapons. On A p r i l 3 , 1 9 5 9 , t h e Chairman of t h e C a n a d i a n S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 8 - defence Chiefs �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information ft SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) of S t a f f Committee i n d i c a t e d by l e t t e r to the Chairman, United S t a t e s J o i n t Chiefs of S t a f f , t h a t the Canadian Government was p r e p a r e d t o a c t on the United S t a t e s r e q u i r e m e nt for s t o r a g e of n u c l e a r a i r - t o - a i r d e f e n s i v e weapons a t Goose Bay and Harmon, s u b j e c t t o t h e c o n c l u s i o n of a s a t i s f a c t o r y Exchange of N o t e s . On A p r i l 9 , 1959, the Department of S t a t e transmitted to the Canadian Ambassador i n Washington a n o t e s e t t i n g the United S t a t e s r e q u i r e m e n t . forth S u b s e q u e n t l y , a s e r i e s of d r a f t n o t e s was exchanged on t h i s s u b j e c t , t he l a s t Canadian d r a f t b e i n g p r e s e n t e d t o the Department of S t a t e on March 3 1 , I960. At the Montebello meeting i n J u l y the United S t a t e s s i d e r e c e i v e d the i m p r e s s i o n t h a t t he r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s of t he two governments were i n agreement as t o the s u b s t a n c e of the proposed agreement and t h a t t h e Canadian C a b i n e t ' s a p p r o v al could be expected s h o r t l y . The Chairman of the United S t a t e s S e c t i o n added t h a t the United S t a t e s f e e l s t h a t s t o r a g e a t Goose Bay and Harmon i s of f i r s t importance i n o b t a i n i n g the optimum defence c a p a b i l i t y of NORAD and e x p r e s s e d the hope t h a t the agreement can be concluded as soon as p o s s i b l e so t h a t the r e q u i r e d c o n s t r u c t i o n might b e g i n . The United S t a t e s agrees i n t h e Canadian view t h a t the terms of the Agreement should not be made p u b l i c . The Chairman of the Canadian S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t he f u l l y a p p r e c i a t e d the importance the United S t a t e s Government a t t a c h e s to the c o n c l u s i o n of t h i s agreement. He a l s o a p p r e c i a t e d the concern e x p r e s s e d by th e Chairman of the United S t a t e s S e c t i o n l e s t t h e r e be f u r t h e r d e l a y . He wished i t t o be r e a l i z e d , however, t h a t t h e q u e s t i o n s of s t o r a g e of n u c l e a r weapons i n Canada f o r United S t a t e s f o r c e s and of acquisition of n u c l e a r weapons by Canadian f o r c e s had given r i s e t o s e r i o u s p o l i t i c a l problems f o r the Canadian Government, I n view of the s t a t e m e n t made by t h e Chairman of the U n i t e d S t a t e s S e c t i o n , he SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 97 - 000472 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information SECRET % (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) would undertake upon h i s r e t u r n t o Ottawa t o b r i n g to t h e Canadian Government's a t t e n t i o n the United S t a t e s Government's concern and i n t e r e s t i n concludin g the agreement as soon as possible. He added t h a t i t was c l e a r l y one of the f u n c t i o n s of the Board t o f a c i l i t a t e s o l u t i o n s t o d i f f i c u l t i e s such a s t h o s e which have a r i s e n on t h i s m a t t e r . SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 10 - 000473 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information J^ SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 3. (CONFIDENTIAL) PEPPERRELL AIR FORCE BASE The United S t a t e s Air Force Member, r e c a l l i n g t h e B o a r d ' s b r i e f d i s c u s s i o n of t h i s m a t t e r at i t s l a s t meeting , s a i d that t h e United S t a t e s S e c t i o n had sought the i n c l u s i o n of t h i s item on the agenda as i t wished t o have u p - t o - d a t e i n f o r m a t i o n on the s t a t u s of t h e Canadian Government's c o n s i d e r a t i o n of q u e s t i o n as to whether the P e p p e r r e l l Air Force Base the facilities should be t u r n e d over to,Canada or to the Province of Newfoundland. He went on t o say t h a t the p h a s i n g out of P e p p e r r e l l Air Force Base was p r o g r e s s i n g s a t i s f a c t o r i l y . In t h i s connection he noted t h a t the a t t i t u d e shown by the people of Newfoundland had been s u p e r b . The Chairman of t h e Canadian S e e t i o n s a i d t h a t the closing down of P e p p e r r e l l Air Force Base had r a i s e d q u e s t i o n s of a p o l i t i c a l as w e l l as l e g a l n a t u r e and t h a t t h e m a t t e r was b e i n g d e a l t w i t h a c t i v e l y i n Ottawa, Member to o u t l i n e th e p r e s e n t He t h e n asked t h e E x t e r n a l Affairs position. The E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s Member s a i d t h a t the f i r s t s t e p which had t o be t a k e n when i t became known t h a t the U n i t e d S t a t e s was c o n s i d e r i n g abandoning the l e a s e was t o c a r r y out an e x a m i n a t i o n of t h e l e g a l q u e s t i o n as to whether the r e v e r s i o n a r y i n t e r e s t in t h e base l a y i n t he Crown i n r i g h t of Canada or the Crown i n r i g h t of t h e Province of Newfoundland* Inasmuch as t h e P e p p e r r e l l f a c i l i t i e s were s c h e d u l ed t o be reduced t o s t a n d - b y s t a t u s by September 1 s t , i t seemed to the Canadian a u t h o r i t i e s t h a t i t would be i n the i n t e r e s t s o f all t h e p a r t i e s concerned t o avoid a p r o t r a c t e d l e g a l d i s p u t e . I t h a d , t h e r e f o r e , been proposed t o M i n i s t e r s , and s u b s e q u e n t l y agreed t o by them, t h a t , as t h e r e appeared t o be no r e a s o n why SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 11 000474 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information JP SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) the requirements of both the Canadian Government and of the Province of Newfoundland, as well as the residual requirements of the United States, could not be met from the available facilities at Pepperrell, it should be proposed to the Province that, without prejudice to the legal issue as to the reversionary interest, Canada and Newfoundland enter into negotiations to the end that there be effected a division of the base facilities to the satisfaction of both parties. At the same time, the Govern- ment of Newfoundland would be informed that the United States Embassy had transmitted to the Department of External Affairs the formal notice of abandonment of the lease. The External Affairs Member went on to say that a message along these lines was being transmitted this week to the AttorneyGeneral of Newfoundland and that the Canadian authorities were hopeful that the Government of Newfoundland would accept the proposal made to it. If so, it was anticipated that detailed negotiations with the Provincial authorities would commence within the next two or three weeks. The External Affairs Member wished to assure the USAF Member that the Canadian authorities were conscious of the urgency of the matter. The Chairman of the United States Section said that he wished to make it clear that he realized the disposal of the Pepperrell facilities was essentially a Canadian problem. The United States naturally wished to know, however, to which Government the facilities should be turned over. The External Affairs Member said that the Leased Base Agreement of 19^1 called for one year's notice of abandonment. The United States had asked for a waiver of this one year period, and provided that the negotiations with the Provincial Government developed satisfactorily it should be possible to agree to this proposal, S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 12 000475 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a {'information SECRET % (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) The Chairman of t h e Canadian S e c t i o n a s s u r e d t h e United S t a t e s S e c t i o n t h a t a l l t h a t can be done i s b e i n g d o n e . What the n e x t s t e p would be would depend upon the a t t i t u d e of the Government of Newfoundland. The Canadian a u t h o r i t i e s expected to r e c e i v e a r e p l y t o the Canadian Government's p r o p o s a l a t an e a r l y d a t e . SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 13 - 000476 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECRET * (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) k. (SECRET) STATUS OF AIR DEFENCE PROGRAMME The Chairman of the Canadian S e c t i o n r e c a l l e d t h a t a t the l a s t meeting of t h e Board he had s u g g e s t ed t h a t the completion of the exchange of Notes s e t t i n g out the c o s t - s h a r i n g arrangements f o r BOMARC, SAGE and g a p - f i l l e r r a d a r s to be i n s t a l l e d i n Canada should be h e l d up u n t i l the f u t u r e of the BOMARC a n d , i n p a r t i c u l a r , u n t i l the p r o v i s i o n of funds by Congress f o r the BOMARC programme was more c e r t a i n . After t h e l a s t meeting of the Board, t h e Department of E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s had t a k e n up w i t h t h e D e p a r t ment of N a t i o n a l Defence t h e q u e s t i o n of completing the exchange of Notes„ The l a t t e r had s u g g e s t e d , however, t h a t the final exchange should be w i t h h e l d u n t i l Congress had reconvened i n August,, The Chairman of t h e Canadian S e c t i o n r e c a l l e d i n t h i s c o n n e c t i o n t h a t a t the Montebello meeting of the Canada-United S t a t e s Committee on J o i n t Defence Mr. Gates had e x p r e s s e d the view t h a t t h e BOMARC programme might come up a g a i n when Congress r e assembled. This seemed t o the Canadian a u t h o r i t i e s concerned t o be an a d d i t i o n a l r e a s o n f o r not p r o c e e d i n g immediately w i t h the exchange of N o t e s . Now, however, t h e r e seemed t o be no r e a s o n why t h i s could not be done and he thought t h a t perhaps s t e p s might be t a k e n w i t h i n t h e n e x t two or t h r e e weeks to complete the n e g o t i a t i o n s provided no f u r t h e r problems a r o s e . The USAF Member s a i d t h a t l t was not a n t i c i p a t e d t h a t there would be any change i n the C o n g r e s s i o n a l p o s i t i o n on the BOMARC, The Defence a p p r o p r i a t i o n s b i l l had now been passe d and he a n t i c i p a t e d no change i n the c o s t - s h a r i n g a s p e c t s of the proposed a g r e e m e n t . The Chairman of the Canadian S e c t i o n s a i d he r e c o g n i z e d t h a t the i n i t i a t i v e l a y w i t h the Canadian a u t h o r i t i e s and t h a t the q u e s t i o n of p r o c e e d i n g w i t h the exchange of Notes would be t a k e n up immediately w i t h t h e M i n i s t e r s concerned,, SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - ll|. 000477 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information SECRET % (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) The Chairman of the Canadian S e c t i o n then asked the RCAF Member (Acting) to comment on p r o g r e s s i n implementing the CADIN programme. The RCAF Member (Acting) s a i d t h a t t h e r e was l i t t l e he could add t o t h e i n f o r m a t i o n c o n t a i n e d i n t h e r e l e v a n t p a r a g r a p h s of t h e RCAF p r o g r e s s r e p o r t . Excavation of the s i t e for the D i r e c t i o n Center/Combat Center a t North Bay was about 70$ c o m p l e t e . I t was a n t i c i p a t e d t h a t the s t e e l work would be completed by A p r i l 1 9 6 1 . There would be some s l i g h t s l i p p a g e i n the achievement of the f u l l p o t e n t i a l of the BOMARC s i t e a t North Bay and some s l i p p a g e a t the BOMARC s i t e a t La Macaza. I n s o f a r as the heavy r a d a r s were concerned, c o n t r a c t s were i n hand for the two e a s t e r n r a d a r s and he hoped t h a t c l e a r a n c e t o b e g i n c o n s t r u c t i o n a t t h r e e of the f i v e w e s t e r n r a d a r s would be o b t a i n e d s h o r t l y . fillers, As t o the g a p - the s e l e c t i o n of the equipment t o be i n s t a l l e d had n o t ypt been completed, but he did not a n t i c i p a t e any r e a l problems In t h i s c o n n e c t i o n . The USAF Member asked f o r t h e f i n a l d a t e upon which Canadian approval was e x p e c t e d f o r t h e g a p - f i l l e r programme. The RCAF Member (Acting) s a i d t h a t he was not aware of any s p e c i f i c date, b u t i n any event t h e RCAF was anxious t o have the m a t t e r r e s o l v e d . SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 15 - 000478 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information ^ v_ S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 5. (CONFIDENTIAL) EXERCISE SKY SHIELD The Chairman of the United States Section said that the United States had asked for the inclusion of this item on the agenda as it wished in this way to record that the United States authorities had taken every reasonable measure to assure that presentation of this exercise by the U.S. press was consistent with Canadian wishes. He noted in this respect that these efforts had appeared to be successful as the exercise had attracted little attention in the United States press. The Chairman of the Canadian Section, after expressing his appreciation for the remarks of the United States Chairman, said that in Canada as well the press had devoted little attention to the exercise. The USAF Member said that, because of the sensitivities which this exercise had aroused in Canada, Air Staff personnel are guided by a directive of 8 August which (a) invited attention to the Canadian Chiefs of Staff Committee and United States Joint Chiefs of Staff instructions forbidding unnecessary publicity before, during and after the exercise and which (b) prescribes that Air Staff personnel would discuss Exercise SKY SHIELD only in connection with their official duties and not otherwise, S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 16 - 000479 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information W — S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 6. (CONFIDENTIAL) STANDARDIZATION The Chairman of t h e C a n a d i a n S e c t i o n r e c a l l e d t h a t a t l a s t m e e t i n g of t h e Board t h e C a n a d i a n Army Member h a d the expressed some d i s s a t i s f a c t i o n w i t h t h e Army s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n programme a n d that, as a consequence, i t h ad been a g r e e d t o i n c l u d e t h i s item on t h e a g e n d a f o r t h e p r e s e n t m e e t i n g . He went on t o s a y t h a t he assumed t h a t t h e B o a r d would a g r e e t h a t i n d o i n g s o t h e r e was no i n t e n t i o n t o t r e s p a s s upon t h e work b e i n g done b y o t h e r in this f i e l d ; impetus i t rather, agencies t h e B o a r d ' s p u r p o s e would b e t o g i v e w h a t could t o t h e s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n programme. Inasmuch a s t h i s programme was of i n t e r e s t t o t h e armed f o r c e s of t h e countries, two i n h i s v i e w , i t was p r o p e r t h a t t h e B o a r d s h o u l d do s o . He t h e n a s k e d t h e C a n a d i a n Army Member t o p r e s e n t the subject. The C a n a d i a n Army Member s a i d h e r e a l i z e d t h a t t h e Board d o e s n o t n o r m a l l y c o n s i d e r t h e d e t a i l s of t h e t r i p a r t i t e pro- gramme, b u t i t n e v e r t h e l e s s h a d a l w a y s b e e n k e p t i n f o r m e d of g e n e r a l p r o g r e s s b e i n g made. He went on t o s a y h e the appreciated t h a t Canada b e n e f i t s more and i s p r o b a b l y more d e p e n d e n t on t h e s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n programme t h a n a r e t h e l a r g e r c o u n t r i e s . It o b t a i n s on l o a n f o r t e s t s and t r i a l s more e q u i p m e n t t h a n i t l e n d i n r e t u r n and i s a b l e t o s e l e c t t h e b e s t e q u i p m e n t i n t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s and i n t h e U n i t e d Kingdom. can available Thus, i t would a p p e a r t h a t Canada i s i n t h e h a p p y p o s i t i o n of b e i n g a b l e t o derive t h e g r e a t e s t b e n e f i t s from t h e s u p p o r t g i v e n by t h e o t h e r two countries. There i s , however, Canada h a s a s c i e n t i f i c fields another side t o the and t e c h n i c a l c o m p e t e n c e w h i c h i n some i s s e c o n d t o none and a s u b s t a n t i a l capacity. picture? i n d u s t r i a l and production One p r o b l e m i n d e v e l o p m e n t i s t h a t when w e l l o n t h e t o s u c c e s s , Canada i s a p t t o f i n d road t h a t a d u p l i c a t e or matching S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 17 000480 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information Pf - SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) project; h a s s u b s e q u e n t l y b e e n i n i t i a t e d i n one and s o m e t i m e s b o t h of t h e o t h e r c o u n t r i e s . The f a c t t h a t m a t c h i n g projects are being undertaken in the other countries frequently indicates t h a t t h o s e c o u n t r i e s a r e u n l i k e l y t o a c c e p t or p r o c u r e the Canadian i t e m . failure He s a i d h e r e c o g n i z e d t h a t i n some c a s e s t o give Canadian p r o j e c t s the f u l l e s t and b a c k i n g may h a v e l e d t h e o t h e r s own. Canada's financial support to i n i t i a t e projects of He c o n c l u d e d by s a y i n g t h a t h e t h o u g h t t h e l e s s o n s t o b e l e a r n e d were t h a t a c o u n t r y i n i t i a t i n g a p r o j e c t must b e to give the f u l l e s t ful their support to that project to bring it c o m p l e t i o n as q u i c k l y a s p o s s i b l e and t h a t prepared to the other success countries s h o u l d n o t i n i t i a t e m a t c h i n g p r o j e c t s u n t i l t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of j o i n i n g and s u p p o r t i n g t h e o r i g i n a l p r o j e c t h a d b e e n fully explored, The C a n a d i a n Army Member t h e n c i r c u l a t e d a p a p e r w h i c h r e v i e w e d b r i e f l y t h e h i s t o r y of t h e Army s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n and summarize d t h e p r o g r e s s made t o d a t e . This p a p e r a l s o t h e a r e a s i n w h i c h t h e C a n a d i a n Army h o p e d t o s e e more progress in the future Board, showed substantial and c o n c l u d e d by recommending t h a t the " w h i l e n o t i n g t h e s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n programme t o d a t e , do a l l i t a. programme can to promote s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n i n o r d e r should that: the g r e a t e s t possible economy in the use of combined resources and e f f o r t w i l l be obtained, and b. d u p l i c a t e or m a t c h i ng p r o j e c t s w i l l not be t i a t e d b e f o r e t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of supporting existing projects has been f u l l y joining i n the o t h e r ini- or countries explored." S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 18 - 000481 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information S E C R E T W (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) The USAF Member indicated that the USAF had no quarrel with the progress of the Air Standardization Coordinating Committee's work in this field, and asked the RCAF Member (Acting) if in his view RCAF-USAF-RAF coordination had been satisfactory. The RCAF Member (Acting) said that such coordination had been generally satisfactory, and.that much had been accomplished. He felt, however, that much more could be done in the research and development field. For this reason, the RCAF fully supported the Canadian Army Member's statement. This statement also found support in the conclusions of the Annual Report of the Air Standardization Coordinating Committee. The United States Army Member said that, although he had only been able to read quickly the paper circulated by the Canadian Army Member, he could support its two conclusions. the Canadian Army Member welcomed this statement and said he felt that this would do much to facilitate further progress. He went on to say that the whole matter of standardization has production sharing implications and he very much hoped that more sharing could be done on the development side. He also expressed the hope that tripartite arrangements will not hamper arrangements between the two countries or serve as obstacles to Canada-United States standardization. The United Army Member said that he felt certain there was no desire to jeopardize the tripartite arrangements through bilateral efforts. He agreed that the two countries should continue to work closely together. He hoped that the paper tabled by the Canadian Army Member would facilitate further progress. The Department of Defence Production Representative said that when the production sharing programme was being launched, it had been realized that the objectives of production sharing were similar in part to those of the standardization programme. S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 000482 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information P t S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) P r o d u c t i o n s h a r i n g c o u l d be g r e a t l y f a c i l i t a t e d if t a s k s c o u l d be a s s i g n e d b e t w e e n Canada and t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s i n t h e development s t a g e . He t h o u g h t i t d e s i r a b l e early t h a t the need to a l l o c a t e t a s k s by S e r v i c e s a t an e a r l i e r s t a g e s h o u l d b e k e p t c o n s t a n t l y i n mind. The U n i t e d S t a t e s Army Member s a i d t h a t h e t h o u g h t that p e r h a p s t h i s t a s k l a y beyond t h e p u r v i e w of t h e B o a r d , The C a n a d i a n Army Member a g r e e d , United a d d i n g t h a t i n view of t h e S t a t e s Army Member's e a r l i e r r e m a r k s , t h e C a n a d i a n p a p e r w h i c h he h a d c i r c u l a t e d m i g h t be e x a m i n e d b y t h e members of Standardization the committee. The U n i t e d S t a t e s Navy Member s a i d t h a t t h e two N a v i e s h a d a l w a y s worked v e r y c l o s e l y t o g e t h e r i n t h i s f i e l d , and t h a t c o n s i d e r a b l e amount of s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n h a d b e e n c a r r i e d o u t i s now g o i n g o n . He was n o t aware of any a r e a s of C o o p e r a t i o n h a d always b e e n c o r d i a l , t h o r o u g h and a and disagreement. expeditious. The C a n a d i a n N a v a l Member c o n c u r r e d , m e n t i o n i n g t h a t some twenty- two p r o j e c t s h a d a l r e a d y b e e n c o n c l u d e d . The U n i t e d S t a t e s Array Member n o t e d t h a t t h e U n i t e d States Army b e l i e v e d t h a t c o n s i d e r a b l e s t a n d a r d i z a t i o n had been accomplished through the cooperative e f f o r t s of a l l c o n c e r n e d and h a d no c r i t i c i s m of t h e p r o g r a m m e . I t was a g r e e d t h a t t h e , B o a r d s h o u l d r e c o r d i t s s u p p o r t of t h e c o n c l u s i o n s of t h e C a n a d i a n Army p a p e r and t h a t t h e two Army Members would b r i n g t h i s p a p e r i n f o r m a l l y t o the a t t e n t i o n of t h e e x p e r t s o f t h e i r r e s p e c t i v e S e r v i c e s w o r k i n g i n the of field standardization. S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 20 - 000483 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information J^ S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 7. (CONFIDENTIAL) TAXATION OF BMEWS COMMUNICATIONS The Chairman of the United States Section said that taxation of the BMEWS Communication facility was disturbing to the United States and he called upon the USAF Member to make the presentation. The USAF Member said that the communications link in question is the cable between Cape Dyer and Newfoundland which is being installed by the Canadian Overseas Teleconniunications Corporation (C.O.T.C.) and leased back to the USAF, An advance of $8.5 million to the Canadian Commercial Corporation was made by the USAF to cover initial construction costs. The USAF had also made a cable-laying ship available to the C.O.T.C. to assist in the construction phase. The Western Electric Company (Supplier to C.O.T.C.) had already paid $180,000 in excise and sales taxes on 70 miles of land cable valued at $571*000. Should taxes be collected on the 2,ij.00 miles of underwater cable involved, costs would be approximately $3 million more than anticipated. The USAF Member went on to say that relief in the payment of these taxes had been sought in a letter from the BMEWS Project Office to the Canadian Department of National Defence, In its reply the Canadian Department of National Defence (Superintendent of Finance) indicated that the tax is applicable since paragraph l6 qf the BMEWS note granting remission of customs duties and excise taxes on imported goods applies only when the items are or are to become the property of the United States. As the goods in question are to be owned by the C.O.T.C, they are not subject to this exemption. The USAF Member said that the taxation problem could be the result of a misunderstanding and an appreciation of the situation by the Board would clarify and perhaps overcome the problem. In the United States view the BMEWS agreement provides S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 21 000484 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information PP SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) that, if i n u n u s u a l c i r c u m s t a n c e s , a p p l i c a t i o n of leads to unusual delays or d i f f i c u l t i e s i n the Canadian law establishment, m a i n t e n a n c e o r o p e r a t i o n of t h e c o m m u n i c a t i o n f a c i l i t i e s . S t a t e s a u t h o r i t i e s may r e q u e s t t h e a s s i s t a n c e of authorities in seeking r e l i e f . United Canadian The USAF i s now i n t h e process of o b t a i n i n g c o m m u n i c a t i o n s u n d e r l e a s e a r r a n g e m e n t s , n o t f o r t h e BMEWS S y s t e m , b u t f o r o t h e r programmes a s w e l l . Assuming t h a t l e a s e d c o s t s would be i n c r e a s e d t o a b s o r b t a x e s and p a i d by t h e c o n t r a c t o r , significant. only duties t h e i n c r e a s e d c o s t s t o t h e USAF c o u l d be With r e g a r d t o t h e c a b l e i n q u e s t i o n i t was a n t i c i p a t e d a t t h e t i m e of n e g o t i a t i o n of t h e BMEWS a g r e e m e n t that this belief c a b l e w o u l d be USAF owned and o p e r a t e d . t h a t i t would b e m u t u a l l y b e n e f i c i a l Later i n the t h e p l a n was c h a n g e d t o p e r m i t t h e C . O . T . C . t o i n s t a l l and own t h e c a b l e it t o t h e USAF. t o be i n o r d e r , be i n t h e s p i r i t and Although t e c h n i c a l l y the e x c i s e t a x lease appeared t h e a s s e s s m e n t of t a x e s i s n o t c o n s i d e r e d o r i n t e n t of t h e BMEWS a g r e e m e n t . t h e i n t e n t of one p a r t y t o c o l l e c t Had t h e U n i t e d a n t i c i p a t e d t h e t a x l e v y i t might have p r e f e r r e d t h e c a b l e as o r i g i n a l l y I t was n o t t a x e s from t h e o t h e r on d e f e n c e p r o j e c t s of m u t u a l c o n c e r n . to party States t o own and contemplated. The Chairman of t h e C a n a d i a n S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t when i t been l e a r n ed t h a t the United S t a t e s S e c t i o n wished to t h i s i t e m on t h e a g e n d a , operate i n q u i r i e s h a d b e e n made of include the D e p a r t m e n t of N a t i o n a l Revenue w h i c h h a d p o i n t e d o u t t h a t was no i n t e n t i o n t o t a x o t h e r t h a n the l a n d l i n e s and t h a t of t h e c a b l e w h i c h w i l l l i e w i t h i n C a n a d i a n t e r r i t o r i a l He s a i d t h a t u n d e r t h e t e r m s of t h e r e l e v a n t had there portion waters. Order-in-Council, w h i c h h a d b e e n b a s e d on e x i s t i n g l e g i s l a t i o n , t h e D e p a r t m e n t of N a t i o n a l Revenue c o u l d o n l y exempt from t a x e s and c u s t o m s duties S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 22 000485 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) items imported i n t o Canada and used on Canadian t e r r i t o r y which are or w i l l become the p r o p e r t y of the United S t a t e s , Inasmuch as t h e c a b l e i n q u e s t i o n w i l l be w h o l l y owned by the C.O.T.C. and as i t s f a c i l i t i e s are l e a s e d t o the USAF, the Department of N a t i o n a l Revenue has no a l t e r n a t i v e but to a s s e s s duties on items imported i n t o Canada i f u t i l i z e d w i t h i n the t h r e e - m i l e limit. He went on t o say t h a t to g r a n t an exemption i n t h i s c a s e would n e c e s s i t a t e a new Q r d e r - l n - C o u n c l l , or p o s s i b l y even a change i n the governing l e g i s l a t i o n and t h i s would r a i s e d i f f i c u l t problems* He e x p r e s s e d t h e hope t h a t t h e e x p l a n a t i o n t h a t only t h a t p a r t of t h e cable to be l a i d w i t h i n Canadian w a t e r s and the land would be taxed would overcome U n i t e d S t a t e s lines objections. After c o n s i d e r a b l e d i s c u s s i o n , the Chairman of the U n i t e d S t a t e s S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t i t was c l e a r t h a t t h i s m a t t e r could not be s e t t l e d without a d d i t i o n a l i n f o r m a t i o n . He s u g g e s t e d , and the Board a g r e e d , t h a t b o t h s i d e s should look f u r t h e r i n t o t h e m a t t e r and t h a t i f the q u e s t i o n were n o t s e t t l e d i n the i n t e r i m , i t could be looked a t again a t the n e x t meeting of the Board. The USAF Member s a i d t h a t s t e p s would be t a k e n t o provide c o n t r a c t s and r e l a t e d i n f o r m a t i o n t o the Canadian authorities concerned. SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 23 - 000486 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information S E C R E T WB (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 8. (UNCLASSIFIED) LANDING FEES FOR DEW LINE RESUPPLY AIRCRAFT The Chairman of the United States Section called on the USAF Member to explain the problem involving landing fees for DEW Line aircraft, The USAF Member said that the problem stems from the assessment by Canada of landing fees on Canadian civilian aircraft under contract to the USAF for DEW Line support. Payment of these fees is passed on by the contractor to the USAF which serves to increase the cost of the DEW Line support operation. United States concern at this time pertains only to Frobisher which is widely used as a refueling stop in DEW Line support operations. The USAF wishes to seek relief from the imposition of landing fees at Frobisher in view of the extensive United States support in the development of the Frobisher air strip and in the mutual interest in making the defence dollar of each country contribute the maximum to mutual defence. The USAF Member recalled that the United States uses Canadian commercial air carriers to the maximum extent possible in supporting operations in Canada in accession to a Canadian request. He also pointed out that it had been possible to obtain relief from payment of landing fees at the Cambridge Bay (CAM) airstrip as discussed at the April meeting of the Board. The Chairman of the Canadian Section said that the Canadian Department of Transport had recently sent a letter to the USAF Central Coordinating Staff in Ottawa stating the DOT position. Under the Aeronautics Act, Canada must collect landing fees from all commercial aircraft for the use of licensed airports. Landing fees are not collected for the use of DEW Line sites because the DEW Line Agreement exempts civilian aircraft under contract to USAF for DEW Line support. So far as concerns Cambridge Bay, S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 2k 000487 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information S E C R E T W (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) Canada has no intention of licensing that airport. however, is in a different category. base and is a licensed airport. assessed. Frobisher, It is not a DEW Line Landing fees must, therefore, be It is understood by the Department of Transport that Nordair does not pass on to USAF the charges levied at Frobisher, but is an item of expense which is assumed by the Company. The USAF Member said that if the DOT statement that costs are not passed on to the USAF is borne out, the United States would withdraw its objection to the arrangement. He said he thought Frobisher should be considered as an unusual situation and that he understood that the relevant Canadian legislation made provision for exceptions. The External Affairs Member recalled that Frobisher airport had been bought by Canada and is operated as a commercial airport in the same way as airports at Montreal and other Canadian cities and that DEW Line planes are paying landing fees at Montreal, for example, without protest. The Chairman of the United States Section said that millions of United States funds went into the development of Frobisher subsequent to the taking over of the airport by the Department of Transport, He stated that embarrassing criticism could be expected in the United States if it became known that the United States was being required to pay for the use of an airfield which it had re-built in carrying out defence projects of interest to both the United States and Canada. He urged that cognizance be taken of the United States point of view presented at this meeting and that the Canadian Members refer the problem to the appropriate agencies of their Government for consideration. y i S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 25 000488 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information m W 9. S E C R E T ^ (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) (SECRET) PROGRESS REPORTS The Service Members and the representative of the Department of Defence Production submitted progress reports which were read with interest by the Board, a, (UNCLASSIFIED) The following compilents were offered: LOAN OF SUBMARINE BURRFISH TO THE RCN In reference to paragraph B3 of the United States Navy Progress Report, the Canadian Naval Member expressed appreciation for the efforts by all concerned which led to the submarine BURRFISH being made available to the Canadian Navy. b, (SECRET) CANADA-UNITED STATES LONG-LIFE MOORED SONOBUOY PROGRAMME The RCAF Member (Acting) called attention to paragraph Ik of the RCAF Progress Report as an example of what can be done cooperatively on Standardization. The RCAF report showed that a development contract had recently been completed in Canada and 12 experimental first-stage Long-Life Moored Sonobuoys had been produced. These buoys are being tested in their simplest form both mechanically and electronically. By means of visits between Sub- Group "G" and the Tripartite Sonobuoy Working Party the United States Navy was appraised of the details of the Canadian development. Moreover, the concept of using a Long-Life Moored Buoy in the area sur- veillance system had been studied by the Bell Telephone Laboratories on behalf of the United States Navy, There has been a great deal of United States Navy interest and it was invited to participate in the programme. It has been agreed that Canada would proceed with the development of the Long-Life Moored Sonobuoy and that the United States would concentrate on the development of the associated airborne interrogation equipment, c, (CONFIDENTIAL) USAF PERSONNEL STRENGTH IN CANADA In reference to the USAF Report, the USAF Member said that as of June 30, I960, the number of USAF personnel in Canada had been further reduced by 966 (from a total of 10,14.62) from the' March figures which were reflected in the report. S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 26 000489 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information P i SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) d. (UNCLASSIFIED) PORT OPERATIONS AT GOOSE BAY AIR BASE With r e f e r e n c e t o item 6 of the USAF P r o g r e s s R e p o r t , the Chairman of the Canadian S e c t i o n s a i d t h a t the Department of T r a n s p o r t ' s e s t i m a t e s of c o s t s had been sent to the USAF C e n t r a l C o o r d i n a t i n g S t a f f , Ottawa on August 19, I 9 6 0 . e. (UNCLASSIFIED) TRANSPORTATION TO THE DEW LINE With regard to item 12 of the USAF Progress Report, the Chairman of the Canadian Section gave the following summary of progress received from the Northern Transportation Company: Western Sector: The Northern Transportation Company will complete their trips within the next few days. In the meantime ice conditions around Alaska have delayed the United States operated sea lift from the West. As a result, the Northern Transportation Company have agreed to move out of Tuk Tuk the P.O.L. required for POW (Barrow). This demonstrates the reliability of the Mackenzie River route and means also a greater use of the product from Norman Wells, It suggests the advisability of supplying from the Mackenzie River additional sites to the West (that is over and above the sites now served by Canadian resources). The United States loaned drydock had reached Tuk Tuk. The "CAMSELL" had received damage to one of her screws while at the e a s t e r n m o s t end of the a r e a ( S h e p h e r d ' s B a y ) . However, i t i s hoped the underwate r d e m o l i t i o n team loaned by the RCN w i l l be able t o make r e p a i r s . f i n e work. The Navy team has done I t has c l e a r e d the approaches to f i v e sites and a t t e n d e d to f i v e o t h e r s as w e l l . Eastern Sector: Weather c o n d i t i o n s have been u n U s u a l l y bad and i c e r e c o n n a i s s a n c e f l i g h t s from F r o b i s h e r have been i m p o s s i b l e for t e n d a y s . Consequently, Foxe Basin i s a q u e s t i o n mark and could not be e n t e r e d on s c h e d u l e . SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) " 2 ? " 000490 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) Frobisher i t s e l f i s plugged t i g h t with i c e . This, f i f t y m i l e an h o u r w i n d s , h a s r e s u l t e d i n t h e of s e v e r a l s h i p s i n t h e h a r b o u r a p p r o a c h e s . plus stranding At R e s o l u t t e some i c e and e a s t e r l y g a l e s h a v e h a l t e d o p e r a t i o n s . On t h e E a s t C o a s t of B a f f i n I s l a n d u n l o a d i n g a t DEW s t a t i o n s is p r a c t i c a l l y complete, a l b e i t t e n days b e h i n d schedule. The P i n e T r e e s e a l i f t h a s gone v e r y w e l l and w i l l b e f i n i s h e d w i t h i n t h e n e x t few d a y s , w e l l w i t h i n f. (SECRET) schedule. USAF'REFUELLING BASES With reference to paragraph 26 of the RCAF Progress Report, the RCAF Member (Acting) said he wished to draw the Board's attention to the fact that work on these bases was rapidly moving towards completion and that they would be operational by October I960. The USAF Member said that he was extremely pleased with the way in which this programme had been carried out. g. (SECRET) DEFENCE PRODUCTION SHARING The Department of Defence Production Representative said, in connection with his Progress Report, that United States contracts placed in Canada for July I960 amounted to some $32.5 millions which increased the total of United States contracts placed in Canada to almost $60 millions for the first seven months of I960 as compared to $63 millions for the same period of 1959. This development gave grounds for some optimism regarding production sharing accomplishments during I960. The Chairman of the United States Section said that he was glad to note this, adding that the United States authorities were making a serious attempt to make the programme work, The USAF Member expressed the view that the Board should be primarily interested in the progress being made by the Production Sharing Policy Committee and enquired as to the S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 28 - . 000491 �» M Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information y S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) Canadian views on the Policy Committee's work. The Department of Defence Production Representative said that the Senior Policy Committee was undertaking its task in a very satisfactory manner. The United States members of this Committee had always shown excellent cooperation and support for the principles underlying the programme. The most recent meeting of the Committee had been an exceptionally useful one as it had examined thoroughly the main problems which had been encountered. Canada now looked forward to improved results following from this meeting. The External Affairs Member recalled that at the meeting of the Canada-United States Committee on Joint Defence at Montebello, the Minister of Defence Production had expressed his appreciation for the efforts which had been made by the United States authorities concerned. The USAF Member said that his service had long supported free and open bidding. The Department of Defence Production Representative said that the main obstacles to be overcome were difficulties encountered in applying the principle of equal consideration. Some headway had already been made in obtaining additional exemptions from the Buy American Act, and a more simple duty free entry procedure, with the result that we are now closer to the position of overcoming some of the difficulties experienced by Canadian sources in competing for United States contracts. 10. (UNCLASSIFIED) DATE AND PLACE OF NEXT MEETING The Board accepted the invitation of the Canadian Naval Member to hold its next Meeting on board H.M.C.S. BONAVENTURE, from January 30 to February 2, 196l. S E C R E T (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 29 000492 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a /'information 4)H SECRET. (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) 11. (UNCLASSIFIED) EXPRESSION OF THANKS The Board e x p r e s s e d i t s g r e a t p l e a s u r e a t being able to meet a t Camp Gagetown and thanked B r i g a d i e r E.C. Brown, CBE, ED, CD, Commander New Brunswick Area, Colonel G.D. D a i l l e y , MBE, CD, Commander Camp Gagetown, and Major C.H.A. S p e n c e r , CD, Deputy A s s i s t a n t Q u a r t e r m a s t e r G e n e r a l , Camp Gagetown, and t h e i r r e s p e c t i v e s t a f f s , f o r t h e i r h o s p i t a l i t y and e x c e l l e n t arrange- ments. SECRET (UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED) - 30 - 000493 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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