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November 10, 1949,

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Minutes of . a c t i n g held i n tha irlvy CounoLl Chaabar on
icdnesday, November 9, 1949, at 11 a.a.
Present;

The Prime ISlalater - (Hr, S t , imurent)
Tha Ht. tion. CO* Howe
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I t w i m i i i thai Mr, wrong's telegram * A - * M 7 of
Ootober 21 should be taken aa tha agenda for tha seating, aa
i t covered point by point tha anJor attention* of poller en
whieh the Canadian delegation t o the t r i p a r t i t e dieeuaeiena
(whieh began in ^aoaiagton during the third and fourth weeh
of September) avoid require at leant the preliminary viewe of
the .overnment before the diaaaaaiona reaume, probably towards
the ead ef November.
The Prime minister said that he aaaumed we were
prepared to accept the principle that tha United Statea should
have prinary responsibility for weapone* production and that ua
great a stockpile of bombe aad fissionable material an possible
should be achieved by the combined efforts of the three cou^triee.
.Is waa agreed, after i t had bean noted that there were
Ifferenoes between the United statea aad the United kingdom
aa to whether production f a e i l i t l e a ia the United Kingdom ahoald
be expanded bat that neither the ani ted s t a t e s nor the United
Kingdom would interpret the agreement aa implying that the
Canadian Government ahoald mot eoatiaae I t a experimenta with
heavy water r e a o t v s whieh had already proved suoh a valuable
research Instrument.

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Saw Materials

Tha prepoeal that the ami ted tates should reeeive
aot leaa thaa 90 per eeat of available raw matorlala during
the next five years waa then aeaaidered and It waa noted that,
under the present U.s.-U,K, agreement, Canadian raw materials
ware not aubjeet to allocation by the Combined Development
Agency. However, our production estl;aatea had been tabled
during the September discussions in ^eehingtoa aad h.d been
taken into aeeoaat i a the general eatisate made of the a v a i l able supplies and in the production f a c i l i t i e s In relation to
military requirements, i t wae agreed that the United -Utas
propoeal oould be accepted, ae sufficient raw materlala would
be available from Canadian production to aup^ly tha needa
our present or projected ChaU River p i l e s , i a addition to
f u l f i l l i n g our estimated contribution to United htates etooxa
of raw stater l a i n,
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i r . MasXeaxle aad Dr, Balaam* espialaed that the
proposed partnership would give the United Klngtsm f u l l
information on weapon production aad ttevelopmeat. Aa we were
not interested in these phases of atomic energy, we would not
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need to have oar scientists integrated in those eaetioao of
the U»3. or U.K. projects, but we would want full co-operation
la the field of basic research aad Intelligence, aad we ehould
be given aooese to information concerning the ailitary eharee*
terlstloo of the latest bomb types for our military aad civil
defenoe planning* Thla wao ojorood.
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ii.o rlna l i a i s t e r wondered whether the u.a. o f f i c i a l s
responsible
L e for
f o r 1proposing that Canada should undertake to store
bombs for the U.K. had not been labouring under a mlaeomeeptloa
aa t o Canada*a constitutional poaltioa thst we should be at
pains to oorreot.
Hr. ftobertsoa added that
their proposal barera they knew of
that there might be a fallacy a l s o
wee there now amy valid reaeoa why
stored l a the U.K.T

they might have thought of
the Hovls t explosion and
in their e t r e t e g l e approach}
seme bombe should not he

I r. :.olf.n.q then said Ike! go tnou^i*t tad 9« .
•aeroach ba« beea StXvahal rather fee un ijsupaojlotlaa of tha
delaya that might oceur before the ui*, oould declare war because
of their constitutional proeeas, aad alao, possibly, beoauae tha
U.S, representatives were aware of tho U,£, government'a fears
af the unreliability of the U,£. and believed that the U.K.
Oovernment might f e e l more eeeure l f their bombs were stored in
Canada lnstssd of the U.S., l a spite of the North Atlantic
Treaty, The U.S. military representatives, in addition, would
not be displeased to see aa arrangement made whereby the U.A,
would be free to use some bombe i a the Interval before Congress
had declared war.
r. itvna? su^eatsu luA l t might ut. wore aooeptauie
t e Canadian public opinion l f we were l a a pooltion te explain
that we ehould not be eterlag bombs only for the use of the U.K.
but that euoh otorege waa im ear owa interest aa well aa part of
tha Joint defease
r. we lh*g a*Uu ah*.*, SO SSl1&lt; see no reason mhy.
If l-io ••.-. ' .iv^ijuahi. v ore to nat aa M SlMfej bOJlls] . u- tJnOJSj
in Canada, wo should not agree, ae we had, for instance, ta
tha atorage of p l a r l t e .
Air Vice *arahal i l l l a r explained thst tho U.S. military
representatives in -ashington during the September dleouaalona
had aeea am d i f f i c u l t y i a agreeing to U.n. t i t l e to bombe whioh
might he stored la Canada, and indeed they had lndioatod that
the U,s, might consider eeadlag some bombs to the U.K. before
their production started.

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nor to uae them. The bombe w i l l be owned by the U,S, aad the
. . ; we ehould l e t them maxo the plana to uae the bombs i n
accordance with etretegle eonoepte ogreed under the Xorth
Atlantic Treaty Organisation; i f the U.S, aad tha . .
veramenta found i t desirable t e store some bombs i a Caaada, they
could aek us t e de so snd an agreement might be werfcea out, eat
l t would be better not to have Canada designated, In the agraement t a be negotiated now between the three countries, as a
custodian of bombe for the other gwo governments,
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Tho *»lmo qjUta.t.^ observed that we ehould avoid the
aae of the expression " launching si tee** aa applied to airflelde
la Canada, He eseumed that all that would be required of us ia
thla connection would he the maintenance of certain airfields
for possible use by our North Atlentlo alliea.
Air Vice Marahal -illar eald that during the Washington
talks the U.S. military representatives had apeoiflcally atated
that they did not anticipate a requirement for any bases la
Caaada from which to mount atomio attacks; there might, however,
be a need for airflelde of auffielent size to eerve for emergeaay
landinge oa atomio bomber routes,
A. Holatlonshlp of ittoaie Agreement, io
forth Atlantic Treaty
r. ^aeney stressed the desirability, la our foreign
relatione, of publicly netting our propoeed partnership within
the fraaeworu of the North Atlantic Treaty aad explaining ta
our Treaty partnara that what we were undertaking waa a specialised function for the moot effleieat production of the moot
potent otratoglo weapon of the alliee. He thought we ehould be
particularly careful to assuage Frenoh susceptibillties, aa tha
frenoh were constently in feer of a strategic concept being agreed
between the J.&amp;. aad the U.S, Oovernmenta whioh would not place
sufficient emphaoia upon the defenoe of the continental ooaatrieo
of &gt; eotern Barope. It waa ogreed that Insofar aa poeslble thie
important consideration should be borne ia mind aat only ia
drawing up the terme of the agreement but in mwmry public eteteaaat about the pert nor chip,
T. Registration with the United Watloaa
The i rime ?. lnlstar questioned whether the propoeed
partnership need take the form of e new agreement aad he coxed
whether lt would not be poeslble to consider the partnarahip aa
part of our north Atlantic arrangements whieh and already beea
registered with the United Nations la aocordaaoe with article 102
of the Charter,
Mr. .iobertaaa pointed out that thie course of aetloa
might not be feasible, depending aa the foam la whioh the . .
Administration felt it necessary to secure the approval of
Congraea, If, for thla purpoae, they had to refer publicly ta
aa "agrees, o a f , wa might yry
well have to register with the
United nations some general anodyne form of agreement to whieh
the eeoret operative elaueea oould be related but not discussed
publicly or registered with the United Natloae, ae they would
form part of the ancillary planning,
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The iTins minister eald that it waa not aeeaaeary to
deolde at present the composition of the Canadian delegation to
the Washington dlaeuesleme bat that when we had the agenda aad
had agreed waa ehould go, he would inform the Cabinet.

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