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' ':Jo .. . t4 FM WASHDC AUG9/63 SECRET )7 ") TO EXTERNAL 2561 PRIORITY . rvT\ INFO LDN NATOPARIS EIIBPARIS BRU HAGUE ROllE TT CCOS OTT Fll OTT . ;J REF BONN TEL '43 AUB7 ·l// /;. <.Q USA• GERMAN DEFENCE COOPERAT ION•MCNAMARA VISIT VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AUG9TO TALK TO DI 9 GERMAN AFFAIRS ABOUT THE MCNAMARA VISITeBRANDONS ACCOUNT BASED !... - 1 - - - t LARGELY VE GATHERED ON A BRIEFING WHICH HAD BEEN GIVEN BY NITZE,· · COINCIDED GENERALLY WITH INFO IN REFTEL.THERE WERE HOWEVER A FEW . - ADDITIONAL POINTS WHICH MAY PROVIDE USEFUL SUPPLEMENT tO BONNS INTERESTING REPORT. 2e8RANDON CONFIRMED THAT THERE KAD BEEN A LONG WORKING SESSION ON STRATEGY WHICK KE THOUGHT COULD BE DESCRIBED AS AN EXCHANGE OF VIEWS.HE SAID THE GERMANS DID NOT RPT NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BUDGED MUCH FROM THEIR WELL KNOWN POSITION AND IT VAS DIFFICULT TO TELL WHETHER THE TALKS HAD INFLUENCED THEIR THINKING VERY MUCH. ACCORDING TO BRANDONS INFO SOME PROGRESS HAD BEEN MADE. HOWEVER IN ARRIVING AT AGREED ESTIIATES OF RELATIVE SOVIET AND WESTERN MILITARY STRENGTH.FOR EXAII.PLE THE GERMANS HAVE IN THE PAST TENDED TO COMPARE RELATIVE STRENGTH IN T.ERMS OF NURSERS DIVS WITHOUT GIVING SUFFICIENT WEIGHT TO THE DIFFERENCES IN SIZE AND FIRE POWER BETWEEN USA AND SOVIET DIVS.FROM BRANDONS REMARKS IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH THE AMERICANS HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN CONVERTING THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES TO THEIR WAY OF THINKING. 3.TH£ GERMANS APPARENTLY REMAINED PERSUADED THAT IN ADDITION TO HAVING STRONG STRATEGIC DETERRENT FORCES,TKE WEST REQUIRE TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEPLOYED WELL FORWARD WITH ITS FORCES IN EUROPE. THEY REMAINED UNCONVINCED BY THE AMERICAN ARGUMENT THAT IN EVENT OF LARGE SCALE SOVIET CONVENTIONAL ATTACK IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ENGAGE IN A HOLDING OPERATION THROUGH .THE USE OF CONVENTIONAL ••• 2 000333 �PAGE TWO 2561 · FORCES. 4.USA SIDE ALSO RAISED TK£. POSSIBILITY OF A CONVENTIONAL WAR IN ., THE AIR ARGUING THAT WESTERN AIRFORCES SHOULD BE IN A POSITION TO OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT EMPLOYING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.IT IS NOTE• WORTHY_ THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS DlSCUSSIOthBRANDON IMPLIED, WAS TO PERSUADE THE GERMANS OF THE ADVISABILITY OF INCREASING THE NUMBER OF THEIR AIRCRAFT WHICH WOULD HAVE A DUAL CAPABILITY. THE GERMANS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THIS MATTER FURTHER STUDY BEFORE CONSIDERING ANY MODIFICATIONS •. 5.DURING THIS DISCUSSION_ OF CONVERNTIONAL VERSUS NUCLEAR WEAPONS . . . USA SIDE STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF THINKING IN TERNS OF WHAT WEAPONS SHOULD BE EMPLOYED IN SPECIFIC CONTINGENCIES,EG.BERLIN. BRANDON SAID THE GERMANS ALL ALONG HAVE TENDED TO THINK IN TERMS OF EMPLOYING TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE EVENT OF A LARGE SCALE CONVENTIONAL ATTACK ON THE EAST·WEST FRONTIERelT SEEMED TO THE AMERICANS DURING THE.DISCUSSIONS THAT GERMANS HAD NOT RPT NOT GIVEN MUCH THOUGHT TO THE DIFFICULTY OF APPLYING THEIR STRATEGIC ·cONCEPT TO THE TYPE OF SITUATION WHICH NIGHT ARISE IN OR AROUND BERLIN. 6.0N THE QUESTION-OF NATOS CONVENTIONAL STRENGTH THE GERMANS READILY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO 8£ ABLE· TO INCREASE TKE SIZE OF THEIR CONVENTIONAL FORCES BUT THIS WOULD BE DIFFICUL TO ACHIEVE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS.TKERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF NATOS NEW .EMERGENCY DEFENCE PLAN AND BOTH SIDES AGREED ON THE DESIRABILITY OF THE FRENCH -MOVING THEIR FORCES FARTHER FORWARD AND ON THE NEED TO GET THEM TO COMMIT MORE OF THEIR FORCES TO NATO. THE GERMANS ALSO SHOWED INTEREST IN STRENGTHENING THEIR FORCES ALONG THE CZECH SORDER. ?.WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL BRANDON SAID THAT SATISFACTORY PROGRESS WAS MADE IN THE SECOND MAIN AREA OF DISCUSSION, IE RESE,ooo334 ••• 3 / �- ... - ¥,'7 t-- \ . y HOY PAGE tHREE 2'61 DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS,LOQISTICS AND DEFENCE PROCUREMENT.WITH REGARD TO THE AGREEMENT REACHED ON TKE JOINT DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADVANCED TANK BRANDON CONFIRMED THAT IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE GERMANS WITH NUCLEAR INFO BUT HE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE ALONG THE LINE OF INFO ALREADY BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THE SPECIAL NATO ARRANGEMENTS. 8. THE QUESTION OF PROVIDING THE GERMANS WITH MORE SERGEANT AND PERSHING ROCKETS APPARENTLY CAME UP DURING THE DISCUSSION OF DEFENCE PROCUREMENT.BRANDON REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT THE GERMANS ALREADY HAVE RECEIVED SOlE PERSHING ROCKETS FROM USA.HE SAID THAT THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL ROCKETS WAS RELATED NOT RPT NOT ONLY TO FINANCIAL OFFSET ARRANGEMENTS BUT TO THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE ROLE AND ARMAMENT FOR GERMAN AIRCRAFT.WHILE BRANDON CAUTIONED THAT HE WAS NOT RPT NOT AND EXPERT IN THESE MATTERS,W£ GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM HIS REMARKS THAT USA MAY BE MAKING THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL MISSILES CONDITIONAL TO SOME EXTENT ON THE GERMANS INCREASING THE NUMBER OF THEIR AIRCRAFT WHICH WOULD BE CAPABLE OF OPERATING IN EITHER A CONVENTIONAL OR A NUCLEAR WAR. 9.IN REPLY TO OUR ENQUIRY BRANDON ADMITTED THAT DURING THE DISCUSSIONS ON STRATEGY,VON HASSEL HAP PLACED ON THE RECORD A STATEMENT OF THE IMPORTANCE WHICK GERMAN GOVT CONTINUED TO ATTACH TO MTG SACEURS REQUIREMENTS FOR LAND BASED MRBMS IN EUROPE,THEY DID NOT RPT NOT HOWEVER PRESS THE MATTER SINCE THEY KNEW THAT USA WAS CURRENTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEED TO GET THE MLF GOING, THERE WAS SOME BRIEF DISCUSSION OF THE MLF AND BOTH SIDES RECOGNIZED THAT IT WOULD NOT RPT NOT BE FEASIBLE TO NOVE AHEAD WITHOUT -PARTICIPATION OF EITHER ITALY OR UK.BRANDON THAT GERMANS AGREED THAT THE WISE COURSE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE WITH TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS PENDING CLEAR INDICATION OF ITALIAN AND UK POSITIONS. 10.IT WAS .AGREED THAT THE GERMAN AND USA DEFENCE MINISTERS WOULD GET TOGETHER AGAIN IN USA lN.NOV.PRELIMlNARY ARRANGEMENTS FOR THESE TALKS WILL PROBABLY COMMENCE SOME TIME IN THE EARLY AlJ 000335 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDNW03853 Title A name given to the resource WashDC to External 2561 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 09-Aug-63 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived "NATO - Nuclear weapons - Policy - NATO long term planning," RG25-A-3-b, vol. 5960, 50219-AL-2-40, part 10, Library and Archives Canada (LAC). 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