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                  <text>C O P Y T . ? . . . . OF 12
DS31/457
FM WASHDC D E C ! 8 / 5 7 TOPSEC CDN EYES ONLY
TO EXTERNAL 2 6 7 0 PRIORITY
ATOMIC ENERGY CONSULTATIONS
JOHN ROPER OF THE BRITISH EMBASSY HAS NOW GIVEN US COPY OF THE
STATEMENT MADE BY SIR RICHARD POWELL TO WHICH REF WAS MADE IN OUR
TEL 2 5 5 4 DEC3.ROPER SAID THAT THE STATEMENT HAD BEEN EDITED IN
ORDER TO ELIMINATE CERTAIN REFS BEARING ONLY ON THE NUCLEAR FIELD
SINCE THIS MIGHT CAUSE SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THE AMERICANS BECAUSE
OF THEIR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT CAN OR CANNOT BE SAID TO THIRD
PARTIES.ESSENTIALLY,HOWEVER,THE STATEMENT,AS GIVEN TO US,REPRESENTS
WHAT WAS SAID BY SIR RICHARD POWELL ON N0V25 IN HIS MEETINGS WITH
QUARLES.THE TEXT OF THE STATEMENT AS GIVEN TO US BY ROPER I S CONTAINED
IN OUR TEL 2 6 7 1 .
2.BEF0RE MAKING ONE OR TWO COMMENTS ON DETAILS OF THE PAPER,ROPER
AT OUR REQUEST OUTLINED SOMETHING OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE RECENT
TRIPARTITE DISCUSSIONS TO WHICH WE WERE INVITED BY THE STATE DEPT
MEMO OF N0V27.ROPER SAID THAT THE QUESTION OF THE INCLUSION OF
CANADA IN THE TALKS WHICH HAVE RECENTLY TAKEN PLACE WAS NOT DISCUSSED
BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRESIDENT,BUT WAS FOLLOWED UP
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS MEETING AS A LOGICAL CONSEUQENCE OF IMPLEMENTING THE IDEA OF INTERDEPENDENCE BY RECOGNIZING THE PARTICULARLY
CLOSE WORKING ARRANGEMENTS WHICH HAD EXISTED AND WHICH SHOULD
CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED BETWEEN THESE THREE COUNTRIESoAPPROVAL
FOR THE INVITATION TO CANADA WAS OBTAINED FROM THE UK AUTHORITIES
BY THE BRITISH EMBASSY HERE,AND THE UK GOVT'S FAVOURABLE ATTITUDE
WAS RECORDED IN THE STATE DEPT SUBMISSION WHICH PROPOSED THAT WE
SHOULD BE APPROACHED&lt;SEE MY TEL 2 5 2 7 N0V27).ROPER EMPHASIZED THAT
THERE WAS A COMMON RECOGNITION ON THE PART OF BOTH THE UK AND USA
AUTHORITIES THAT ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN TO BRING CANADA IN TO THE
EXTENT POSSIBLE IN THESE TECHNICAL DEFENCE DISCUSSIONS.
3 . I T WILL BE RECALLED THAT IN THE COURSE OF THE MEETING BETWEEN THE
PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRESIDENT TWO GROUPS WERE SET UP UNDER POWELL
AND QUARLES AND UNDER PLOWDEN AND STRAUSS TO SEEK TO MAP OUT POSSIBLE
AREAS OF COOPERATION IN THE FIELDS OF NUCLEAR ENERGY AND DEFENCE
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AS A BASIS FOR THE MORE DETAILED

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HERE ON DEC3.ROPER EMPHASIZED THAT THE WORK OF THESE TWO GROUPS^*
WAS MAINLY CONCERNED,AS THE STATEMENT BY SIR RICHARD POWELL INDICATES,
WITH LISTING THE HIGH PRIORITY CATEGORIES OF COOPERATION AND INDICATING THE PRINCIPAL FIELDS REQUIRING A DETAILED EXAMINATION,HE EXPECTED THAT FOLLOWING THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST ROUND OF SUBCOMMITTEE
TALKS THERE MIGHT BE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION IN PARIS OUTSIDE THE
FRAMEWORK OF THE NATO MEETING ON FUTURE S T E P S .
4 .YOU WILL FIND THE POWELL STATEMENT A USEFUL OUTLINE AND BACKGROUND
OF THE WORK OF THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE AND THE CONSTITUENT SUB
COMMITTEES WHICH HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED.WITH REGARD TO PARA 1 0 ,
ROPER SAID THAT THE FIGURE OF 7 , 0 0 0 MENTIONED RELATES ONLY TO SCIENTISTS
IN THE UK WORKING ON THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS SIDE.HE ATTACHED PARTICULAR
IMPORTANCE TO PARA 11,AND TO ITS EMPHASIS ON THE UK VIEW THAT THERE
MUST BE A BALANCING OF ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES INCURRED BY THE
UK IN THE USA FOR THE ACQUISITION OF CERTAIN NUCLEAR WEAPONS BY
RECIPROCAL ARRANGEMENTS ON THE PART OF THE USA FOR THE ACQUIRING OF
EQUIPMENT FROM THE UK.IN REPLY TO OUR QUESTION CONCERNING THE SECOND
PART OF THIS PARA AS TO HOW SUCH BIPARTITE OR TRIPARTITE ARRANGEMENTS MIGHT BE FITTED INTO ANY WIDER NATO ARRANGEMENTS,WE WERE GIVEN
THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS ASPECT HAS NOT YET BEEN GIVEN DETAILED
THOUGHT.THE USA AUTHORITIES,ACCORDING TO ROPER,ARE ANXIOUS TO
EXPLORE THESE MATTERS,FIRST WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE TRIPARTITE
TECHNICAL COMMITTEES ENVISAGED,BEFORE EMBARKING ON THE MORE DIFFICULT
TASK OF DEVELOPING COOPERATIVE ARRANGEMENTS ON A WIDER B A S I S .
4.FINALLY,ROPER DREW ATTENTION TO PARA 14 OF THE STATEMENT
WHICH REFERS TO RECOGNITION OF THE NEED FOR CONTINUING MACHINERY TO
STEER THE EXECUTION OF THE"POLICY OF INTERDEPENDENCE"^ THESE
FIELDS.YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE UK SUGGESTION I S THAT THERE SHOULD
BE A MINISTERIAL GROUP CONSISTING ON THE USA SIDE OF THE SECRETARY
OF STATE,THE SECRETARY

OF DEFENCE,AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ATOMIC

ENERGY COMMISSION,AND ON THE BRITISH SIDE OF THE FOREIGN SECRETARY,
THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE,AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ATOMIC ENERGY AUTHORITY.IT WAS ADDED THAT SUITABLE ARRANGEMENTS FOR ALTERNATES WOULD
NO DOUBT BE NEEDED.
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PROPER EMPHASIZED THAT IN FACT THE UK POSITION IN THIS MATTER WAS
FLEXIBLE,ALTHOUGH THEY ATTACHED IMPORTANCE IN ANY MINISTERIAL GROUP
WHICH MIGHT BE FORMED TO HAVING THE USA SECRETARY OF STATE PARTICIPATE.USA VIEWS WERE NOT YET FIRMjAND THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISPOSITION
HERE,WE GATHER,TO FAVOUR THE RECONSTITUTION OF THE FORMER COMBINED
POLICY COMMITTEE,OR A SIMILAR BODY,POSSIBLY UNDER SOME NEW NAME.
NO FINAL DECISIONS,HOWEVER,HAVE BEEN TAKEN,AND DISCUSSIONS ARE CONTINUING ON THE FORM OF SUCH A MINISTERIAL STEERING GROUP.ROPER ASKED
THAT WE SHOULD NOT,REPEAT NOT,FOR THE PRESENT RAISE WITH THE AMERICANS
THIS POINT IN POWELL'S STATEMENT OF THE NATURE OF CONTINUING MACHINERY
FOR THE PRESENT TIME.
6.ON THE NUCLEAR TALKS IN WHICH ONLY THE USA AND UK REPS
PARTICIPATED,ROPER INDICATED THAT CONSIDERABLE PROGRESS HAD BEEN
MADE,AND THAT IT HAD FINALLY PROVED POSSIBLE TO SEND FORWARD AN AGREED
REPORT.THE REAL DIFFICULTY WHICH CANNOT BE OVERCOME UNTIL THE PRESENT
AMERICAN LEGISLATION IS REVISED IS THAT THE EXCHANGE OF INFO AND
VIEWS THUS FAR HAS TENDED TO COVER COMMON DEVELOPMENTAL AREAS IN
WHICH BOTH GOVTS ARE NOW WORKING RATHER THAN THE MORE IMPORTANT PROBLEM,FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF RATIONALIZATION OF EFFORT,OF MAPPING
OUT AND ASSIGNING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE AREAS IN WHICH ONE
GOVT OR THE OTHER MAY HOLD A SUBSTANTIAL LEAD.FIRST AND IMPORTANT
STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN,HOWEVER,AND THE UK AUTHORITIES ARE HOPEFUL
THAT IN VIEW OF THE VAST EXPENDITURES WHICH THEY BELIEVE WILL BE
REQUIRED IN THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS FIELD A VALID DIVISION OF LABOUR
WILL IN FACT BE DEVELOPED
ROBERTSON

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