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I CALLED ON MY FRENCH COLLEAGUE.DE LEUSSE,TO DISCUSS THE POSI2BOWJN 1959
OF HIS GOVT ON ATOMIC WEAPONS GENERALLY.I TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE
NOW CONSIDERING THE MATTER IN ITS BROADER ASPECTS,THAT THERE
SEEMED TO BE CONSIDERABLE CONFUSION MOSTLY AS A RES'JLT OF THE
STAND TAKEN BY GEN DE GAULLE ON THE QUESTION OF STOCKPILES,AND THAT
WE WOULD APPRECIATE SOME CLARIFICATION PARTICULARLY AS REGARDS THE
CONTROL ASPECT OF THE PROBLEM,I ENQUIRED WHETHER ANY CONTROL FORMULA
WAS NOW BEING CONSIDERED THAT WOULD PROVE SATISFACTORY TO THE
FRENCH GOVTo
28DE DEUSSE REPLIED THAT WHILE HE WAS GLAD TO GIVE IE THE VIEWS OF
THE FRENCH GOVT ON A PERSONAL BASIS HE COULD NOT RPT NOT SPELL
THEM OUT IN COUNCILoON THE WHOLE THEREFORE AT THIS STAGE HE DID
NOT RPT NOT THINK IT WOULD BE WISE THAT THE MATTER 3E RAISED IN
COUNCIL AND HE BELIEVED THAT M SPAAX HAD NOW REACHED THE SAME
CONCLUSION.
3. IN ESSENCE GEN DE GAULLE IS MOT RPT NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OF THE
TYPES OF CONTROLS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT BETWEEN WASHDC ON THE
ONE HAND AND ANY ,OTHER NATO COUNTRY,INCLUDING THE UK,ON THE OTHER*
HIS INTEREST IS TO OBTAIN A VOICE-WHICH MIGHT AMOUNT TO A VETO-IN
THE USE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS BY THE USA AND THE UK IN ALL PARTS OF THE
WORLD,MOT RPT NOT ONLY IN THE ATLANTIC AREA BUT ALSO IN FORMOSA,
KOREA,OR FOR THAT MATTER THE NORTH POLE,UNTIL THE GENERAL HAS
BEEN GIVEN SUCH A VOICE IN THE GLOBAL STRATEGY OF THE USA AND THE
UK WE SHOULD NOT RPT NOT EXPECT ANY PROGRESS ON SUCH ISSUES AS
THE STOCKPILING OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS CN FRENCH TERRITORY.ONCE THESE
ASSURANCES HAVE BEEN OBTAINED HOWEVER AND MACHINERY HAS BEEN SET UP
TO DISCUSS GLOBAL STRATEGY THEN THE SITUATION WOULD BE ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT AND THE FRENCH GOVT WOULD SEE NO RPT NO OBJECTION IF THE
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AMERICANS WERE T0"RE?AIN TTE ONLY KEY TO THE FR 6ID,'./ IE IN ORDER
TO DUST THE WARHEADS STOCKPILED IN FRANCE",THE C O N T R O L S SEEN BY
THE FRENCH,WOULD BE AT A HIGHER LEVAL AND CW A TRIPARTITE B A S I S ,
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ENQUIRED OF DE LEUSSE VHETHER THE MACHINERY THEY

IAD IN MIND

WOULD BE WITHIN THE NATO ORGANIZATION OR CUTL'IDL OF I *

ALTOGETHER,

HE REPLIED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO RPT NO. DIRECT RTLAT CONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO,NOR RPT NOR FOR THAT MATTER WOULD IT DE NECESSARY
TO SET UP ANY NEW TRIPARTITE MACHINERY.HE THOUGHT TKA-* DISCUSSIONS
COULD CONTINUE TO BE HELD AT THE AMBASSADORIAL LEVEL

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REJOINED BY SAYING THAT THIS WOULD BE BY-PASSIN3 MATO ALTOGETHER
AND THAT WERE THE FRENCH TO MAINTAIN THEIR POSITION
USELESS TO THINK THAT THE PROBLEM COULD BE SOLVT.D I F

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REACH"AN ATLANTIC SOLUTION".
5 . 1 THEN POINTED OUT THAT FOR A COUNTRY LIKE CDA OUR IAIN CONCERN
WAS NATURALLY TO TRY AND DEVELOP AS SATISFACTORY A HA-TO SOLUTION
TO THAT PROBLEM AS POSSIBLE AND THAT THE FRENCH VIEWS WERE SO D I F F ERENT THAT I T WOULD SEEM QUITE USELESS TO TRY AND RECONCILE THEM.
I ADDED THAT SPEAKING PERSONALLY I THOUGHT THERE WAS 30CM FOR
CONSIDERABLE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE NATO CONTEXT SINC2 I T WAS
DIFFICULT TO SEE A NATO PATTERN EMERGING FROM THE BILATERAL AGREEMENTS NOW BEING REACHED BETWEEN WASHDC AND OTHE-1 NATO COUNTRIES.
I ALSO SAID THAT POSSIBLY THE FRENCH THESIS WOULD P R O ' S MORE
ACCEPTABLE I F INSTEAD OF INSISTING ON BEING CONSULTED ON ALI ATOMIC
ISSUES THEY WOULD CONCENTRATE ON THE EUROPEAN THEATRE AND POSSIBLY
IN NORTHAFRICA.DE LEUSSE REPLIED THAT THIS WOULD NOT ?PT NOT PROVE
SATISFACTORY TO GEN DE GAULLE.
6.WE THEN SPECULATED AS TO WHETHER PROGRESS MIGHT BE JADE IN TRYING
TO REACH A MORE COORDINATED ATLANTIC POLICY I F A DISTINCTIOr

WERE

MADE BETWEEN IRBMS AND STRATEGIC WEAPONS GENERALLY ON THE ONE HAND,
AND TACTICAL ATOMIC WEAPONS ON TH OTHER.POSSIBLY THE -OKMER TYPES
OF WEAPONS COULD FALL IN THE CONCEPT OF GLOBAL STRATEGY WHILE A
NATO FORMULA MIGHT BE DEVISED FOR THE LATTER.DE LSUSSI DID NOT RPT

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NOT KNOW WHETHER THIS DISTINCTION WOULD MEET WITH THE GENERAL'S
APPROVAL.
7.AT ONE POINT DURING THE CONVERSATION' DE LEUSSE SAID THAT HE
FULLY REALIZED THAT THE ATTITUDE TAKEN BY GEN DE GAULLE ON THE
STOCKPILING OF ATOMIC WEAPONS ON FRENCH TERRITORY AS WELL AS OTHER
DECISIONS RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE ASPECTS OF IRMB'S WERE BOUND
TO BE IRRITATING TO MEMBERS OF THE ALLIANCE.HE HOPED HOWEVER THAT
ENOUGH PROGRESS COULD BE MADE IN THE TRIPARTITE DISCUSSIONS NOWGOING ON IN"WASHDC FOR THE MORE GENERAL ISSUE TO BE SOLVED IN THE
NOT RPT NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.ACCORDING TO HIS INFO THE STATE
DEPT HAD BEEN SOMEWHAT MORE FORTHCOMING DURING THE LAST FEW WEEKS
* AND THE PRESS IN THE USA WAS SHOWING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE
FRENCH POINT OF VIEW.THE PENTAGON. WAS STILL STUBBORN HOWEVER AND
HE DID NOT RPT NOT KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR PRSSa
EISENHOWER IN THE END TO FORCE THE HAND OF HIS MILITARY ADVISERS.
IN ACY EVENT IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT THE PROBLEM BE THRASHED OUT AT
THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THAT THERE BE A MEETING BETWEEN EISENHOWER
AND GEN DE GAULLE IN THE NOT RPT NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.THIS
COULD BE EITHER IMMEDIATLY PRECEDING OR PARALLEL WITH A SUMMIT
MEETING OR,FAILING THIS,NOT RPT NOT TOO LATE IN THE FALL.
8.IT IS DIFFICULT TO SPECULATE ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE TRIPARTITE
DISCUSSIONS IN WASHDC BUT I SHOULD THINK THAT IT IS LIKELY GEN DE
GAULLE WILL STICK TO HIS PRESENT POSITION ABOUT STOCKPILING,AT
LEAST UNTIL HE MEETS WITH EISENHOWER AND IITHEREFORE WONDER
WHETHER IT WOULD BE FRUITFUL TO FORCE THE ISSUE BEFORE THAT TIME
AND INSIST THAT THERE BE A FULL-FLEDGED DISCUSSION IN COUNCIL.
THIS SHOULD NOT RPT NOT PREVENT US HOWEVER AND SOME OF OUR PARTNERS
BILATERALLY TO CLEAR OUR OWN WINDS-NOT RPT NOT ONLY ON THE MAIM
ISSUE RAISED BY THE SETTING UP OF A POSSIBLE "ATOMIC TRIUMVIRATE"BUT ALSO ON THE RELATED AND STILL IMPORTANT ISSUE OF THE ATOMIC
POLICY OF NATO.IF THE GENERAL FAILS IN HIS ENDEAVOUR TO CREATE AN
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"ATOMIC TRIUMVIRATE",THE ALLIANCE WILL BE FACED WI~4 A FIRST CLASS
CRISIS? I F HE WINS HIS P0"NT IT I S LIKELY THAT THT '.» ;DLE FRAMEWORK OF NATO,POLITICAL AS WELL AS MILITARY,WILL

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