1 20 75 https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/2a292b6a7028be701112e53120a59e21.pdf 392619c67db95913995968585830dfbe PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the :ess to Information Act d I'information IcjUi jur i Document divulgue en vertu APPENDIX 57 % A 9 02*, ** y”a e..., r■ e"*sBY " + 4 f. COPY / OF EIGHT FM CANDEL SAIGNJUN18/66 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY 1 I _A_ TO EXTERNL 526 EMERGENCY INFO WASHDC C AMBASSADOR ONLYIMMED OPERATION SMALLBRIDGE LPWSP AS BY JUN 16 WAS APPARENT WE WOULD BE HAVING ONLY ONE MORE FORMAL SESSION WITH DRVN ON THE MAIN ISSUE, WHICH SHOULD NOT RPT NOT BE COMPLICATED BY THE PRISONER OF WAR QUESTION, RONNING RAISED THE LATTER DURING A C GR P CRPPT)MADE ON VICE FOREIGN MINISTER THACH ON OUR' INITIATIVE, AND SPOKE. ALONG THE LINES OF PARA4OF THE ENCLOSURE TO YOURLET Y368 MAY20. 2. THACH REPLIED AS FOLLOWS?QUOTE THE CONSISTENT POSITION OF OUR GOVT IS THAT AMERICAN PILOTS WHO CARRIED OUT BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM ARE CONSIDERED AS CRIMINAL TO A HIGH DEGREE.THEY WILL BE PUNISHED ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF DRVN.AS TO THE TREATEMENT GIVEN THEM,VE GIVE THEM HUMANE TREATMENT.THESE AMERICAN PILOTS CAME HERE AND SOWED DESTRUCTION ON MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENTS,SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, POPULATED AREAS,IRRIGATION WORKS;THEY DROPPED PHOSPHOROUS BOMBS. THEIR CRIMES MUST BE PUNISHED.THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ICRC.WE HAVE RPTDLY MADE KNOWN THIS POSITION AND IT HAS BEEN MADE KNOWN TO THE AMERICANS THROUGH MANY INTERMEDIARIES.AMERICANS HAVE REQUESTED A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES TO RAISE THIS QUESTION WITH US. WE HAVE MADE KNOWN OUR POSITION TO THEM.PILOTS ARE TREATED VERY . HUMANELY,ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE COMMITTED GREAT CRIMES. BUT ONCE THEY ARE IN OUR HANDS WE.ASSURE THEM GOOD TREATMENT.HOWEVER,THEY MUST BE ...2 Ga 4 e 8Qakard an4 73 6) 000503 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act . Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE TWO 526 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY PUNISHED UNQUOTE. 3. RONNING RESPONDED AS FOLLOWS;QUOTE IT WILL BE APPRECIATED THAT YOU GIVE THIS ASSURANCE OF GOOD TREATMENT.IF,IN THE COURSE OF TIME,ARRANGEMENTS COULD BE MADE THROUGH YOU OWN RED CROSS FOR LETS AND PARCELS-FAMILIES WOULD BE GREATLY COMFORTED IF THEY COULD EXCHANGE LETS UNQUOTE,THACH;QUOTE SO FAR THIS QUESTION OF LETS AND PARCELS HAS BEEN DEALT WITH BY TRIBUNALS(COURTS),THE REGS REQUIRE THIS,THERE ARE REGS COVERING THE SENDING OF LETS. UNQUOTE. RONNING; QUOTE AND TO RECEIVE THE QUERY UNQUOTE THACH;QUOTE I BELIEVE SO UNQUOTE. RONNING:QUOTE AND THE ADDRESS-SHOULD THEY BE ADDRESSED TO THE TRIBUNALQUERY UNQUOTE THACH QUOTE I WILL LET YOU KNOW LATER. I EMPHASIZE AGAIN OUR POLICY IN GENERAL IS ONE OF HUMANE TREATMENT FOR THE PILOTS,UNQUOTE. 4.THIS MORNING AT THE AIRPORT,LE TAN OF THE FOREIGN MINISTRY NORTHAMERICAN DEPT GAVE RONNING,AS PROMISED,THE ADDRESS FOR PW MAIL; CAMP FOR USA PILOTS CAPTURED IN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM,C/O GENERAL POST OFFICE,HANOI,DRVN. TO RONNINGS QUESTION WHETHER PARCELS AS WELL AS LETS COULD BE SENT, LE TAN SAID THIS WAS STILL NOT RPT NOT CERTAIN,BUT HE WOULD LET US KNOW,WE THEN QUESTIONED HIM AS TO THE POINT OF MAILING. HE REPLIED THAT WHILE THE DRVN DOES NOT RPT NOT HAVE A POSTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE USA,IT HAS WITH MANY COUNTRIES.HE COULD NOT RPT NOT CONFIRM WHETHER THIS IS THE CASE FOR FRANCECWE KNOW IT USED TO BE SO),BUT UNDERTOOK TO GIVE US THIS INFO ALSO.WE THEN SUGGESTED VENTN,NOTING THAT OF COURSE ITS ONLY CONNECTION • ••3 000504 �. Document disclosed under the Access' to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a i’information PAGE THREE 52 6 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY WITH HANOI IS BY ICSC COURIER AIRCRAFT,AND THEN SOUNDED HIM OUT ON THE POSSIBILITY, OF THE CDN DEL ADDRESS BEING USED.I EMPHASIZED THAT I HAD NO RPT NO INDICATION OF MY GOVT THINKING ON THIS, BUT IN PRACTICAL TERMS SUCH LETS C/O THE COMMISSIONER COULD TRAVEL FROM SAIGN WITH OUR NORMAL SHIPMENTS.HE KNEW OF NO RPT NO OBJECTION FROM DRVN POINT OF VIEW OFF-HAND, BUT PROMISED TO CHECK, AND I SAID I WOULD DO THE SAME WITH YOU. 5.IN THE PAST TWO DAYS THERE HAS BEEN A MOVEMENT AFOOT IN HANOI TO ORGANIZE MTGS TO DISCUSS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE PILOTS, AND. ONE OF THIS MORNINGS NEWSPAPERS CARRIED A HEADLINE QUOTE PEOPLE DEMAND PUNISHMENT OF CRIMINALS UNQUOTE,IT IS POSSIBLE THAT AN QUOTE EXAMPLE UNQUOTE WILL BE MADE OF SOME OF THE PILOTS, BUT I AM INCLINED TO THE HOPEFUL THOUGHT THAT,DESPITE THE HATE -FILLED ANTI-AMERICAN ATMOSPHERE,THE DRVN MAY BE CONTENT SIMPLY TO SATISFY THEIR LEGAL PROCESSES WITH MORE MODERATE SENTENCES. 6.1 ASKED MACLELLAN TO GIVE SWANK IN VENTN THE HANOI ADDRESS "7M MOORE 000505 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00075 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 57 - copy of Saigon telegram 526 reporting on prisoner issue in Ronning's assignment Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 18-Jun-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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THE RECORD HAS NOT RPT NOT BEEN SEEN IN FINAL FORM BY RONNING. AS SUGGESTED IN RONNINGS REFTEL,STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU AWAIT HIS , ARRIVAL IN OTT BEFORE GIVING WASHDC FULL REPORT ON THE DRV N RE J ECTION OF AMERICAN RESPONSE. 2.VICE PM TRINH SHOW DO YOU FEEL IN HANOI ,NR AMBASSADOR? RONNING:! FEEL VERY WELL PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY.! WISH TO CONVEY TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE THE APPRECIATION OF OUR PM AND FOREIGN MINISTER OF THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE AFFORDED US TO COME BACK. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE WELCOME AND RECEPTION,THE COMFORTABLE MANNER IN WHICH I HAVE BEEN ACCOMMODATED,AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR DEPUTYCVICE FOREIGN MINISTER). AS WE HAVE STATED PREVIOUSLY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RE-RPT IT,CDA HAS TAKEN THIS INITIATIVE TO RETURN FOR A FURTHER EXCHANGE OF VIEWS BECAUSE WE ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM ARISING OUT OF THE HOSTILITIES IN VIETNAM.BECAUSE WE ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAGIC AND DEPLORABLE RESULTS OF THE ! WAR,WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PEACEFUL AND HONOURABLE SETTLEMENT, ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH SIDES.THAT IS WHY WE ACCEPTED READILY THE ...2 l It 0,2/77 000469 �... Document disclosed under-the Access to Information Act .. Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a i'information , 5 6440 / / b cOFX FM SAI GN JUN18/66 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY 5 APPENDIX 56 42+*/ /NAA4 2012233 48 /cl- TO TT EX TERN LC FROM COMMISSIONER) 528 EM ERGENCYCIMMED ON ARRIVAL) DE DELHI REF OURTEL524 JUN18 OPERATION SMALLBRIDGE FOLLOWING IS APPROX VERBATIM RECORD OF RONNINGS PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION,^ JUN15,WITH VICE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, NGUYEN CO THACH: THACH ASKED MR RONNING ABOUT HIS ADVENTURES IN HKONG EN ROUTE* CONCLUDING WITH THE WORDS THAT HE WAS VERY GLAD TO COME TO HANOI,MR RONNING SPOKE ALONG FOLLOWING LINES: THE FIRST THING I SHOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT CDN PM ANDSSEA, THE HONOURABLE PAUL MARTIN,APPRECIATE RESPONSE TO'OUR INITIATIVE ..FOR MY RETURN JOURNEY HERE. WE ATTACH SIGNIFICANCE TO THIS RESPONSE OF YOURS BECAUSE IT INDICATES TO US THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS CHANNEL FOR A FURTHER EXCHANGE OF VIEWS. THACH:YOU MAY BE CONVINCED THAT CHANNEL IS OPEN. RONNING: LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT CDAS GOOD OFF ICES.CDA WAS WILLING AND CONTINUES TO BE WILLING TO OFFER ITS GOOD OFFICES. WE HOPE THIS CHANNEL CAN CONTINUE TO REMAIN OPEN ON BOTH SIDES AS MEANS OF PREPARING GROUND FOR TALKS AND FOR ULTIMATE NEGOTIATIONS. THACH: WE DO HOPE THAT-IF CHANNEL IS NOT RPT NOT DESTROYED BY BOMBING# RONNING:SO DO WE. THE REASON CDA WANTS TO KEEP THIS CHANNEL OPEN IS THAT CDA IS ...2 000470 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document diyulgue en vertu de la Loi surJ’acces a I'information PAGE TWO SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER THE GOOD OFFICES OF CDA IN TRYING TO BRING THE TWO PARTIES TOGETHER FOR INFORMAL DIRECT TALKS,OR TALKS THROUGH A THIRD PARTY.AND THE CDN GOVT,AFTER STUDYING THE SUGGESTION OF YOUR PM MADE TO ME ON MY PREVIOUS VISIT,INSTRUCTED ME TO GO TO VASHDC.I EXPLAINED THIS TO THEM-ALL INFORMALLY,ALL ORALLY,WITH ’ NOTHING IN WRITING. THE USA HAS MADE COUNTER-SUGGESTIONS AND WE.HAVE PUT THEM IN TERMS OF OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THEY SAID.I THEREFORE EXPLAINED ORALLY TO YOUR VICE FOREIGN MINISTER AS BEST I COULD THE COMMENTS THE AMERICANS MADE ON YOUR PMS SUGGESTION.SUBSEQUENTLY, ENTIRELY ON MY OWN INITIATIVE,! HANDED TO YOUR DEPUTY A PIECE OF PAPER,THAT OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE AMERICAN SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE CLEAR AS I COULDMAKE IT.OF COURSE WE HOPE THAT AFTER,CONSIDERATION, YOU w il l have s o me t h in g ICANS-FURTHER m o d i f i c a t i o n s o r it t o my GOVT.I had t he to s e n d ba c k w it h what ever i m pr e s s i o n y o ur you us f o r t h e AMER- WISH-AND I WILL t a k e pm w a n t e d t h e c h a nne l KEPT OPEN,AND THE AMERICANS DO TOO-EVEN IF IT IS NOT RPT NOT FULLY SATISFACTORY TO ONE OR THE OTHER SIDE.WE ARE PREPARED TO CONTINUE OUR GOOD OFFICES IN THIS WAY. * WE ARE PREPARED TO MAKE THIS STAY A LITTLE LONGER,TO DELAY THE AIRCRAFT FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS,OR TO MAKE A RETURN VISIT WHENEVER IT SEEMS BEST TO YOU.WE HAVE VERY LTD OBJECTIVES AS FAR A CDA IS CONCERNEDXIE CHIEFLY TO ACT AS A MESSENGER BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES, IN THE HOPE THAT DIRECT TALKS MAY BE RENEWED OR,PREFERRED,TALKS ...3 000471 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY BE DONE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY OF CHOICE.THEREFORE WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO BRING WHATEVER COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE.THAN YOU. t r in h it h a n k y o u .i h a v e r e c e iv e d t h e r e po r t s o f y o u r r e t u r n v is it TO HANOI a n d OF YOUR TALKS WITH OUR FRIENDS AND PARTICULARLY WITH OUR VICE FOREIGN MINISTER.AND WE HAVE THOUGHT OVER THE INFO, THE WORDING YOU HAVE CONVEYED TO US,AND WE MUST TELL YOU FRANKLY, IT IS THE WORDING OF AGRESSORS WHO ARE MOST DEPRAVED PEOPLE. BECAUSE THESE IDEAS,WE HAVE READ THEM ALL IN THE WESTERN PRESS; BECAUSE MORE THAN ONCE WE HAVE EXPOUNDED TO YOU THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE AMERICANS IN SOUTHVIETNAM ANDNORTHVIETNAM ARE UNJUST ACTIONS.AND NOW ONCE AGAIN WE CAN HEAR WORDINGS WHICH SMACK OF AGGRESSION.I THINK I NEED NOT RPT NOT SPEAK LONG IN ORDER TO POINT ALL THE IRRATIONALITIES OF THESE WORDS.FROM THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY,THE USA HAS SENT TROOPS HERE TO MAKE AGGRESSION AGAINST c THE PEOPLE.THEY HAVE BROUGHT WEAPONS HERE TO MASSACRE THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE;THEY HAVE BROUGHT PLANES,AND WARSHIPS TO SHELL THE DRVN WITHOUT ANY GROUND.AND ALL THESE ACTIVITIES ARE ENCROACHING ON THE SOVEREIGNTY OF OUR COUNTRY-AND NO RPT NO WORDS CAN DESCRIBE THE ATROCITY OF THESE INHUMANE ACTS.AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE GONE DEEPER INTO A WAR OF AGGRESSION,THE AMERICANS URGE THAT THE n Asau Mte/ Cla Slejona A —7 / 24) . .•VIETNAMESE PEOPLE AY (5-EGRP6-HISS1NG)7NQ] RPT/ NOT/ SHOWN ANY UNDERSZAce pekdltolizee y‘ dA/cce: •t64/t6 LLC 22-2000 Atze STANDING, ANY COMPREHENSION /96 OUR/GOVTS JUST STAND.THEY INTENSIFY 256 ee @20004 -604 THIS AGGRESSION :THEY HAVE BROUGHT THEIR STRENGTH UP FROM A SCORE 5444 J—L z 4*y.4, OF THOUSANDS TO 2S2,DEC ACCORDING TO THEIR OFFICIAL STATEMENT; e e •4 000472 �55s 177 Document disclosed under,the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE FOUR SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY THEY HAVE BROUGHT TROOPS FROM SOME OF THEIR SATELLITE COUNTRIES TO HELP,AND HAVE ESCALATED INCREASINGLY THE AIR WAR AGAINST THE DRVN AND NOW WHEN THE DRVN URGED THEM TO STOP THEIR ACTIVITIES, THEY FROM THEIR SIDE HAVE ASKED SOME PRICE FOR IT.WE CONSIDER THIS AGGRESSION AS SOMETHING VERY EVIL,VERY BAD.WE NEED NOT RPT NOT REITERATE HERE OUR DETERM INATION-THE STRENGTH OF OUR PEOPLE,THE DETERMINATION OF OUR PEOPLE TO FIGHT AND TO WIN.AND WE NEED NOT RPT NOT REITERATE HERE OUR PREPAREDNESS TO MEET DIFFICULTIES IN OR- DER TO HAVE INDPENDENCE AND FREEDOM.THE QUESTION IS CLEAR AND SIMPLE. OUR DEMAND IS THAT THE AGGRESSORS WHO HAVE GROUNDLESSLY BROUGHT TROOPS HERE,LET THEM WITHDRAW,LET THEM RESPECT THE NATIONAL RIGHTS OF THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE,RESPECT THE NECESSARY MINIMUM OF INTER-, Azulcoi€ (e.ezzo . tz&lu’i&eo 0- fo Lo M2uAe CCAly , NATL RELATIONS BETWEEN COUNTRIES5GRPS MISSING) . . , .. 7/J/, ,17 _ Aieoauev Cut 2u4lcl, 4A7aZt THEY STOP THESE DEEDS. NATURALLY WE ARE __ Aneta If 2Z26ap4Y24 - PREPARED TO EXAMINE THEIR 222244 A- A ,_ » **& ATTITUDE. BUT VE CLEARLY SEE THEY HAVE NO RPT NO GOODWILL. C726202 AS TO THE GOOD OFFICE YOU HAVE REFERRED TO, I HAVE THE FOLLOWING &4z44r REMARK.IN ANY CASE YOU HAVE CONVEYED TO US THE SAVAGE THREATS OF 7 -27, Gw ..7 61—11 Ju O 2C& _ _____________________________________________________ • (+6-GRPSTSSING)FEWDAYS,ANDWE DO NOT RPT NOT SEE IT CLEARLY. of THE AMERICANS.WE HAVE THOUGHT IT OVER BEFORE SEEING YOU TODAY. THIS IS REGRETTABLE.NATURALLY,A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE,WE DO NOT RPT NOT OPPOSE CONTACT BETWEEN YOU AND US.BUT THIS SHOULD BE ASSOCIA- TED WITH THE INTEREST IN YOUR GOODWILL.NO RPT NO DOUBT AFTER YOUR TWO VISITS TO VIETNAM YOU UNDERSTAND THE VIETNAM SITUATION BETTER, AND THE ASPIRATIONS OF THE VIETNAM PEOPLE AND THE DESIRE OF THE B - DRVN GOVT.AND OUR CONTACTS ARE USEFUL WHEN THESE CONTACTS REVEAL YOUR GOODWILL TO CONTRIBUTE TO A SOLUTION.WE REGRET •..5 000473 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FIVE SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY THAT THIS TIME EE DO NOT RPT NOT PERCEIVE I-Nsoike wiilnte THESE ARE A NUMBER OF IDEAS I EXPRESS AFTER 46-6RPS-mss1e) 1*1** M I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. RONNINGsYES.I AM OF COURSE BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU HAVE FOUND THAT IN MY INTERVIEWS WITH YOUR DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER I SEEM TO HAVE GIVEN AN IMPRESSION WHICH I CERTAINLY HAD NO RPT NO INTENTION OF GIVING.PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU IMPLY THAT CDA IS MERELY BRINGING TO YOU COMMENTS ON THE AMERICAN PROPOSAL,WHICH IN MY ESTIMATION YOU ARE MISINTERPRETING.AND I SHOULD LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID BEFORE,AND THAT IS,THAT CDA HAS PUBLICLY EXPRESSED,THROUGH OUR PM,THAT WE DO NOT RPT NOT APPROVE OF THE AMERICAN POLICY IN VIETNAM,PARTICULARLY THE BOMBING OF NORTHVIET- NAM. TRINHj IT IS KNOWN TO ME. RONNING{THEREFORE IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO COME HERE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS,WITH EVERY GOODWILL,IN THE HOPE OF BRINGING TOGETHER THE TWO SIDES,TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD AS IT APPEARS FROM THE REPORTS YOU HAVE FROM THE DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER.YOUR WORDS IND- ICATE THAT I HAVE THE WRONG ATTITUDE.IF YOU CANNOT RPT NOT ACCEPT THE REAL FEELING I HAVE ABOUT THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM, THEN THERE IS NO RPT NO FURTHER USE IN CONTINUING OUR CONVERSATIONS OR THIS CHANNEL. TRINH5VE CANNOT RPT NOT ACCEPT THE ATTITUDE OR POSITION OF THE AMERICANS.HERE THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS.ONE IS THE POSITION OF THE USA,WHICH WE CONSIDER TO BE ONE OF AGGRESSION,AND • ••6 000474 �L Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur hacces a /'information 0 • PAGE SIX SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY BAD{AGGRESSION AGAINSTSOUTHVIETNAM AND INTENSIFYING AND EXTENDING THE AIR WAR AGAINST NORTHVIETNAM.AND THEY ASK SOME PRICE FOR STOPPING THESE AGGRESSIONS.THIS IS AN ATTITUDE WHICH WE DEEM IS LACKING IN GOODWILL. THIS IS ONE ASPECT.AS TO THE ACTION,THE JOB DONE BY YOU,DURING OUR LAST INTERVIEW I TOLD YOU WE TOOK NOTE OF A NUMBER OF POINTS RAISED BY YOUR GOVT.ON ACCOUNT OF THESE POINTS,WE AGREED TO RECEIVE YOU.BUT THIS TIME I MUST SAY WE DO NOT RPT NOT SEE CLEARLY THE USEFULNESS OF YOUR DESIRE TO SHOW YOUR GOODWILL. RONNING{THAT I UNDERSTAND.IF. YOU IMPUGNS ME OR MY GOVTS MOTIVES THAT WAS,I THOUGHT YOUR MEANING,AND THEN THERE COULD BE NO RPT NO MORE TALK.WHAT YOU NOW SAY,HOWEVER-!F YOU CAN ACCEPT OUR SINCERITY IN ATTEMPTING TO DO WHAT WE ARE.ON BOTH POINTS THAT THE VICE PM HAS JUST STATED,! CAN UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF VIEW,AND IT IS QUITE TRUE THAT AS THE RESULT OF MY TWO VISITS HERE I HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ALL VIETNAM AND PARTICULARLY THE ATTITUDE OF YOUR GOVT TO THIS WHOLE SITUATION.MAYBE I COULD SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT MYSELF TO INDICATE HOW PERSONALLY I FEEL ABOUT IT. I SAID LAST TIME THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANT THAT MY GOVT HAD SENT ME.THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE MORE CAPABLE THAN I WHO COULD HAVE BEEN SENT.THE REASON I WAS THE ONE IS THAT THEY KNOW MY ATTITUDE TO THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF FOREIGN POWERS IN ASIA(HERE FOLLOWED AND ILLUSTRATION.»MY GOVT KNOW MY ATTITUDE,ONE OF SYMPATHY TO THE POINT OF VIEW YOU HAVE EXPRESSED.WE STILL THINK THIS WAR CAN BE ...7 000475 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE SEVEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY STOPPED.THAT IS WHY WE ARE STILL PREPARED TO ACT AS MESSENGER BOYS.AND OF COURSE,AS A GO-BETWEEN BETWEEN TWO STRONG OPPOSITE FORCES,ONE TRIES TO PRESENT THE BEST POSSIBLE VIEW,ONE TO THE OTHER. WE LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO A VERY CLEAR AND FRANK ANALYSIS BY HAVANLAU YESTERDAY.I SAID TO HIM:QUOTE I WISH I COULD TAKE YOU TO THE USA,SO THAT YOU COULD PRESENT THIS ATTITUDE FACE TO FACE WITH AMERICAN REPS UNQUOTE,! AM GLAD TO HAVE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY, EVEN IF I DO NOT RPT NOT COME BACK AGAIN.I SHOULD LIKE TO,TOTRY AGAIN.I UNDERSTAND YOUR RESENTMENT-YOU DO NOT RPT NOT SEE WHY YOU SHOULD MAKE CONCESSIONS TO HAVE THE AMERICANS DO WHAT YOU THINK THEY SHOULD DO.NOW,YOU MAY NOT RPT NOT LIKE TO HEAR WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY NOW,AS IT MAY SEEM TO PRESENT THE VIEW OF THE' USA IN A BETTER LIGHT THAN IT DESERVES.BUT AS I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HAVANLAU TO USA,TC PRESENT SO WELL AS HE DID YESTERDAY,BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE AMERICANS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND; S0 TOO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING AN AMERICAN HERE TO EXPRESS THEIR POINT OF VIEW-YOU MIGHT THINK IT MISTAKEN,BUT HE BELIEVES IN IT.THIS EXCHANGE IS OF COURSE IMPOSSIBLE,SO I AM TRYING TO DO BOTH TASKS.BEFORE I TELL YOU THE AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW,LET ME SAY THIS:TVICE IN WASHDC I HAVE REPORTED TO THE AMERICANS,WITHOUT QUOTING YOU,YOUR PM AND YOUR VICE FM.I GAVE THE AMERICANS THE IMPRESSIONS I HAD RECEIVED-THE DETERMINATION OF THE PEOPLE,ESPECIALLY OF NORTHVIETNAM,WHERE I HAD HAD SEVERAL DAYS CONTACT,THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THE AMERICANS BRINGING THESE PEOPLE ON THEIR KNEES TO THE CONFERENCE TABLE BY BOMBING.I TOLD THEM YOU HAVE AN AGRICL ECONOMY AND SOCIETY.THERE ARE FEW WESTERN OBSERVERS WHO UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS. I TOLD THEM YOU HAVE HAD GENERATIONS OF EXPERIENCE DIGGING IN ...8 000476 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a ['information PAGE EIGHT SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY AND YOU CAN PRODUCE ENOUGH FOOD TO LIVE AND AS LONG AS THAT IS SO YOU WILL HAVE DETERMINATION NEVER TO GIVE IN.I SAID THAT WHETHER THEY LIKED IT OR NOT RPT NOT THEY CAN NEVER SUBDUE THESE OPPON- ENTS OR WIN THIS WAR. TRINHsBUT JUST NOW THEY ARE NURTURING THE ILLUSION THAT THEY CAN BRING US TO OUR KNEES. RONNING:YES,I AM COMING TO THAT.HOWEVER MISTAKEN YOU THINK THEY ARE,UNDERSTAND THEIR MOTIVES.BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF THE AMERICANS ARE TO DEAL EFFECTIVELY WITH YOU,THEY MUST UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVES AND ATTITUDE,HOWEVER MISTAKEN;AND VICE VERSA.THE AMERICANS YOU SEE THINK THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE INDEPENDENCE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY AND FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHVIETNAMSO THAT THEY: HAVE A FREE CHOICE.AND THEY THEREFORE CONSIDER YOU AS THE CHIEF ENEMY AND THEREFORE BOMB YOUR TRANSPORT LINES SUPPLYING THE NLF WHO ARE ATTACKING THE PEOPLE THE AMERICANS ARE SUPPORTING.AND NOW NO RPT NO MATTER HOW YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM,THAT IS THE SITUATION. ' X AM NOT RPT NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT,I AM JUST MAKING CLEAR THEIR POINT OF VIEW.AND THEY ARE THEREFORE BUILDING UP-NO RPT NO DOUBT TO 280,260 PLUS A FURTHER 18,000 EVIDENCE OF THEIR POWER AND DETERMINATION.THE HOPE THAT THEY HAVE NO RPT NO MORALE,NO RPT NO FIGHTING SPIRIT IS MISTAKEN :THEY HAVE ITEVEN IN A CONVENTIONAL WAR THEY HAVE THIS POWER AND THEY WILL USE IT.HERE ARE TWO STRONG 2 PARTIES,WITH THE POWER TO PREVENT EACH OTHER FROM WINNING. • ...9 000477 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information PAGE NINE SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY I AM SOON FINISHED.THE CONCLUSION I COME TO IS THISsWHAT CAN BE DONE MOST EFFECTIVELY TO STOP THE HOSTILITIES?YOU FACE, IT SEEMS TO ME TWO ALTERNATIVES.FIRST,A PROLONGED WAR WITH MANY YEARS OF SUFFERING FOR THE PEOPLE OF NORTHVIETNAM.NO RPT NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE INTENSIFICATION OF HOSTILITIES AND BUILDING UP OF MILITARY POWER.TRUE THAT MEANS PROLONGED SUFFERING FOR THE PEOPLE OF VIETNAM. SECOND,NO RPT NO MATTER HOW WRONG MISTAKEN AGGRESSIVE QUOTE DEPRAVED UNQUOTE YOU THINK THEY ARE,THE QUESTION IS:THEY ARE HERE, HOW CAN YOU GET RID OF THEM? TRINH:LET THEM GO. RONNING :T HAT IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION,LET THEM WITHDRAW.THAT CAN BE SECURED.I AM THINKING OUT LOUD AS A PRIVATE MAN.IF,AS A RESULT OF THE AMERICAN REPLY,NOTHING CAN BE DONE ALONG THE LINES OF THE PMS PROPOSAL,AND THE MATTER IS DROPPED,THEN IN MY OPINION-IN FACT I HAVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM OTT TO KEEP THIS CHANNEL OPEN-BUT I HAVE NO RPT NO INSTRUCTIONS ON THE FOLLOWING SUGGESTIONS,THEY ARE NOW MY OWN: IS IT POSSIBLE NOW THAT HOSTILITIES MIGHT BE TERMINATED AND THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT AGREEMENT ON BOTH SIDES TO HAVE THE TWO COCHAIRMEN SUMMON A CONFERENCE?! KNOW IT SOUNDS SIMPLE AS I PUT IT,WHEREAS IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED MATTER,WITH MANY DETAILS. I DO THIS THINKING OUT LOUD AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE TO CONTINUING THE WAR.I AM NOT RPT NOT PROPOSING THAT CDA MEDIATE.WE ARE ( JOT RPT NOT TRYING TO PERSUADE YOU TO DO MORE THAN YOU WISH,AND •.10 000478 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act • Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi surl'acces a I'information PAGE TEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY WE ARE NOT RPT NOT TRYING TO PERSUADE THE AMERICANS TO DO MORE THAN THEY VISH.I SIMPLY GIVE THE BEST INTERPRETATION OF THE MSGS IN BOTH CAPITALS.WHILE THIS IS ENTIRELY MY OWN INITIATIVE,! KNOW MY GOVT WOULD APPROVE MY CARRYING YOUR REACTION TO THIS,OR ANY mo d if ic a t io n o f it . TRINHSI HAVE A REPORT OF YOUR INTERVIEW WITH THE VICE FM.I UNDERSTAND THAT AFTER YOUR LAST VISIT,YOU REPORTED THE PMS VIEWS TO THE AMERICANS.THIS IS TO SAY,WITH RESPECT TO THE DRVN,THE AMERICANS MUST STOP UNCONDITIONALLY THEIR BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM. CONCERNING THE STAND OF THE DRVN,ITS BASIS IS THE NLF AND THE NLF DECLARATION: TO SOLVE THE QUESTION OF VIETNAM THE AMERICANS MUST RECOGNIZE THIS AND PROVE IT BY DEEDS. FOR A SOLUTION OF THE SOUTHVIETNAM QUESTION, IT MUST BE DEALT WITH BY THE NLF;AND THE REUNIFICATION OF VIETNAM MUST BE DEALT WITH BY THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.THESE ARE ALSO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS REFERRED TO IN THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS. THEREFORE OUR STAND IS THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS.BUT SO FAR THE AMERICANS HAVE NOT RPT NOT SHOWN THEIR AGREEMENT ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHICH I HAVE MENTIONED-NOT RPT NOT EVEN ON THE QUESTION OF STOPPING THE BOMBING.THEY STILL ASK FOR SOME PRICE. THEY GIVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT TO COPE WITH THE STRUGGLE OF THE. i PEOPLE IN SOUTHVIETNAM BY BOMBING NORTHVIETNAM.MORE'THAN ONCE E HAVE EXPRESSED OUR ATTITUDE.,.THEY SHOULD STOP THE BOMBING, AND MAKE A DECLARATION TO THAT EFFECT.THEN WE CAN ENVISAGE THAT, ...11 000479 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE ELEVEN 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY SHOULD PULLOUT OF VIETNAM UNCONDITIONALLY. THEY WANT AMERICAN TROOPS TO GET OUT AND LEAVE THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE TO SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS,BUT THEY INSIST ON CERTAIN GUARANTEES WHICH WILL ALLOW THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH WHO DIFFER WITH HANOI TO HAVE THE OPP- ORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION IN ELECTIONS.WE IN CDA,WHO LIVE NEXT TO THE USA AND KNOW THE CONDITIONS THERE,ARE OF THE OPINION THAT THE VAST MAJORITY,INCLUDING THE CRITICS OF GOVTS POLICY,WOULD . WANT AMERICAN TROOPS WITHDRAWN ONLY IF THERE ARE GUARANTEES WHICH CAN COME ONLY FROM A PEACE CONFERENCE,7 WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIRECT TALKS STARTED WHICH WILL LEAD TO NEGOTIATIONS AND TO AMERICAN WITHDRAWAL FROM VIETNAM,AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL. THACH:NOW THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES FOR THE AMERICANS:FIRST, TO(LEAVE?)WITH HONOUR;SECOND TO SUFFER DISASTROUS DEFEAT IN SOUTH VIETNAM.AND IN THIS CONNECTION,THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE PEOPLE,AND THE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE,THE MORE THEY REALIZE THAT THE USA OBDURATE,THE MORE THEY WILL BE BITTER.FROM THE BEGINNING,THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONVINCED OF THEIR OWN STRENGTH AND THEIR JUST CAUSE.AND THEREFORE WE HAVE NO RPT NO ILLUSIONS AT ALL ABOUT STATEMENTS LIKE FULLBRIGHTS ON THE CONDUCT OF THE WAR IN SOUTH VIETNAM.THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE PEOPLE STARTED THEIR STRUGGLE BEFORE THERE WAS THIS CRITICISM BY SUCH PEOPLE AS SENATOR FULLBRIGHT.FIRST OF ALL THEY RELY ON THEIR OWN STRENGTH AND BELIEVE THEIR JUST CAUSE WILL ENJOY THE SUPPORT OF THE WHOLE WORLD,INCLUDING THE AMERICANS. ...12 000480 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act we Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE TWELVE SAIGN 527 TSEC CDNEYES ONLY RONNING:I DO NOT RPT NOT CARE ABOUT THAT(THE INTERPRETER READS BACK TO TRINH IN VIETNAMESE. RONNINGS RELEVANT STATEMENT ABOVE). I DID NOT RPT NOT WISH TO USE QUOTE ELEMENT UNQUOTE IN THAT SENSE. IT WAS THIS WAY:THEY SAID THAT IS ONE ASPECT OF THE WAR.THEN INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING THAT AS SOMETHING TO BE NEGOTIATED, l et us f o r g e t a b o u t t h a t ,a n d c o n s id e r t h e t o t a l w a r in VIETNAM- THAT IS,THE WAR WITH THE NLF IN THE SOUTH AND THE BOMBING OF THE NORTH.I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO STOP EVERYTHING. THEN I WONDER ALSO,IF THE AMERICANS MAKE CLEAR THEIR ATTITUDE TO THE NLF (YOU SAY THEY HAVE NOT RPT NOT DONE SO?TRINH:CORRECT) AND ARE PREPARED TO CEASE ACTIVITIES NORTH AND SOUTH,WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THEN TO PREPARE THE GROUND,AND TO ASK THE COc h a ir me n f o r a c o n f e r e n c e f o r a r e t u r n t o ma n y a s pe c t s o f t h e GNEVA AGREEMENTS? TRINH:I THINK THAT QUESTION IS CLEAR,AS FOLLOWS. WE HAVE OUR STAND,IT SEEMS FROM THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS.THE AMERICANS RECOGNIZE THEM AS THE BASIS FOR A SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEM.WE WILL . GO ANYWHERE TO SOLVE THE QUESTIONED FAR WE UNDERSTAND THE AMERICANS ARE STUBBORNLY OPPOSING OUR STANDSWITHDRAWAL OF TROOPS, THE QUESTION OF BASES,THEIR OPPOSITION TO LETTING TIE QUESTIONS OF VIETNAM BE SOLVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POLITICAL PROGRAMME OF THE NLF AND REUNIFICATION BY THE VIETNAMESE THEMSELVES.THEY GIVE THEMSELVES THE UNREASONABLE RIGHT TO BOMB NORTHVIETNAM.ALL THIS SHOWS THAT CONDITIONS ARE NOT RPT NOT YET RIPE FOR ANY ...13 d 000481 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THIRTEEN 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY SOLDIERS IN THE JUNGLE-THEY DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE TO BRING TOILETS WITH THEM,BUT USED THE JUNGLE AS THEY FOUND IT. RONNING:THE USA IS SO POWERFUL THAT IT CAN SUPPLY ITS TROOPS WITH CONVENIENCE WITHOUT HURTING THEIR ECONOMY.AT THE TIME OF THE FRENCH EVEN AMERICAN TROOPS WERE NOT RPT NOT EQUIPPED AS THEY ARE NOW. THINGS LIKE THIS CANNOT RPT NOT BE USED TO COMFORT ONESELF THAT USA IS NOT RPT NOT ABLE TO CARRY ON A GREAT WAR. THACH:OF COURSE. BUT SERIOUSLY,THE USA CANNOT RPT NOT PARACHUTE BEGIN UNDERLINING MORALE END UNDERLINING,FIGHTING SPIRIT TO AMERICAN TROOPS. RONNING:YOU SHOULD NOT RPT NOT DRAW THE CONCLUSION THAT THEIR MORALE IS NOT RPT NOT GOOD.IF PRESENT HOSTILITIES CAN BE CONFINED TO A CONVENTIONAL WAR IN VIETNAM,AMERICAN POWER IS SUFFICIENTLY GREAT TO CONTINUE INDEFINITELY. I HAVE TOLD THE AMERICANS HOW YOU ARE PREPARED TO RESIST,HOW DETERMINED YOU ARE NOT RPT NOT TO BE BROUGHT TO THE CONFERENCE TABLE; THAT YOURS IS AN AGRIC ECONOMY,AND THAT YOU WILL STILL HAVE ENOUGH TO EAT.I PUT THIS VERY STRONGLY TO THE AMERICANS.BUT THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CONTINUE INDEFINITELY IF THERE IS NO RPT NO CONFERENCY-AND IN THE MEANTIME,IT IS VIETNAM WHICH IS SUFFERING. THACH:WE BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE DETERMINATION THAN THEY.IN ANY CASE, THE BUCCANEERS CAN NEVER HAVE MORE DETERMINATION THAN THEIR VICTIMS. RONNING:YOU DONT RPT DONT HAVE TO TELL ME-I KNOW YOUR DETERMINATION. BUT IT IS NOT RPT NOT NECESSARY TO CONTINUE THIS WAR.THE BOMBING ...14 000482 r— �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divuigue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information 1 PAGE ELEVEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY WITH UNDERSTANDING,WE WOULD EXAMINE THEIR GOODWILL. YOU WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TO THE QUESTION OF VIETNAM. YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE A VERY CLEAR-CUT ATTITUDE. IN THIS CONNECTION. AND AS FOR US,WE HAVE STATED AND EXPOUNDED CLEARLY OUR VIEW.AS TO YOUR REF TO KEEPING THE CHANNEL OPEN,I RPT THAT TO THIS, AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE,WE HAVE NO RPT NO OPPOSITION.FOR THE TIME BEING,WE DO NOT RPT NOT OPPOSE MTG WITH YOU,OR OTHERS,TO .EXPOUND OUR POSITION,TO CLARIFY TO YOU THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND,IF THESE INTERVIEWS PROVE USEFUL AND PROVE GOODWILL. RONNING:I AM VERY GLAD TO HEAR THIS.I WILL TELL MY GOVT THAT YOU ARE PREPARED TO KEEP THIS CHANEL OPEN. TRINHiWE DO NOT RPT NOT OPPOSE IT. RONNING:IF YOU DO NOT RPT NOT OPPOSE IT,YOU ACCEPT ITS BEING KEPT OPEN.CAN WE TAKE THIS TO MEAN THE SAME THING? TRINH: YES. RONNING:I AM WONDERING,SINCE THE AMERICANS STATED THAT THE BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM SHOULD BE TAKEN AS ONE ELEMENT IN PREPARING FOR DIRECT TALKS,WHETHER THIS ONE COULD BE COMBINED WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS WHICH YOU HAVE DESCRIBED-FOR EXAMPLE, THE NLF AND RECOGNITION OF THE NLF.MAY I THEN SAY TO MY GOVT THAT YOU ARE PREPARED TO TAKE STEPS TO END HOSTILITIES AND PREPARE FOR A CONFERENCE,PROVIDED THERE CAN BE SOME ACCEPTANCE BY THE AMERICANS IN THIS RESPECT? TRINH:THIS IS A VERY WARLIKE STATEMENT,QUOTE ONE ELEMENT UNQUOTE. 000483 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information I PAGE FIFTEEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY • DIRECTLY CONCERNED,GUARANTEES FOR THE SOVEREIGNTY AND INTEGRITY OF ALL VIETNAM COULD BE WORKED OUT. TRINH:WE HAVE SPENT A LONG TIME BEFORE ON THIS MATTER.THE QUESTION IS CLEAR.SINCE IT IS YOUR PERSONAL VIEW OR SUGGESTION,! PRO- POSE THAT YOU GO FURTHER IN EXPLAINING OUR POINT OF VIEW. AS TO THE EXPOSITION OF YOUR VIEWS IN THE PAST FEW DAYS,OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE AMERICAN VIEWS, I WILL SUM UP THEIR MARKS. FIRST OF ALL,THE AMERICAN ATTITUDE OF DEMANDING SOME PRICE FROM THE DRVN IS A BAD ONE.THE PARTY TO HAVE ASKED FOR SOME PRICE FOR IT IS OUR SIDE.THEREFORE I SAID THIS IS THE ATTITUDE OF THE AGGRESSOR,AND WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST AGGRESSION.AS TO OUR GOODWILL,WE HAVE EXPOUNDED IT.HERE I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RPT IT TO YOU. © AS TO CDA OR YOU,MR AMBASSADOR,COMING HERE WITH GOOD OFFICES, YOU HAVE GOODWILL AND WE ARE PREPARED TO LISTEN TO YOU AND TO RECEIVE YOU.BUT WE REALIZE THAT THE AMERICAN STAND WHICH YOU CONVEYED . TO US IS NOT RPT NOT SATISFACTORY.IN OTHER WORDS,I SAY WE ARE NOT RPT NOT SATISFIED WITH THE ATTITUDE,AND WE OPPOSE IT.BUT AS TO YOUR GOODWILL,! HAVE EXPRESSED NY VIEWS ON IT.AND WHEN YOU GO BACK . TO CDA,PLEASE CONVEY TO PM PEARSON AND FOREIGN MIN- ISTER MARTIN GREETINGS AND THANKS FOR THEIR REGARDS TO US. RONNINGsTHANK YOU FOR THE VERY FRANK MANNER IN WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR REPLY.I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPRESSION OF YOUR GCOD- WILLjWE RECIPRICATE IN SAYING TO YOU WE HAVE GOODWILL TOWARDS 000484 �Document disclosed und'erthe.Access to Information Act Document divulgue enyertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE SIXTEEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY YOU.AND PLEASE CONVEY TO YOUR PM AND TO PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH THE GREETINGS OF OUR PM AND FOREIGN MINISTER AND THANK THEM FOR HAVING RECEIVED THE REPS OF THE CDN GOVT,ON HIS RETURN VISIT TO HANOI.WHILE WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO CARRY BACK A MORE POSITIVE COMMENT ON THE AMERICAN SUGGESTION,WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FIND THIS IMPOSSIBLE.AND IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT RPT NOT CARRY BACK ANY MSG ON THIS PROPOSAL ON BOMBING,WE APPRECIATE YOUR READINESS TO KEEP THE CHANNEL OPEN-WE TOO WISH IT TO REMAIN OPEN,IN CASE IN THE FUTURE THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN CONVEY TO US,OR WE TO YOU,I SHALL CONVEY TO MY GOVT,AND I AM SURE MY GOVT WILL CONVEY TO USA,THAT YOU WANT PEACE AND A PEACEFUL SOLUTION.AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU WOULD WISH TO PROPOSE IN THE FUTURE RESPECTING THE OVERALL SITUATION,ON HOSTILITIES,OR IF THE AMERICANS DO,WE SHALL BE GLAD TO CONTACT YOU AGAIN. AT THIS END OF THE CHANELL THERE (-3GRPS. CORRUPT) : IF IN BETWEEN THESE SPECIAL VISITS YOU WISH TO HAVE SOMETHING CONVEYED,YOU HAVE THE DIRECT APPROACH THROUGH HIM-AT ANY TIME YOU WISH TO MAKE USE OF US. TRINH:WE HAVE GOT AMBASSADOR MOORE TWICE SINCE YOUR EARLIER VISIT. YOU WERE HERE SOME DAYS AGO FOR A COMMISSION MTG? MOORE: YES,TV0 WEEKS AGO.WHILE I IN NO RPT NO WAY CAN ■ • ’ •' "t i SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION,! BELIEVE IT WILL NOT RPT NOT BE SO LONG BEFORE WE COME AGAIN AS IT WAS BETWEEN THE TWO PREVIOUS MTGS, EIGHT’MONTHS AND ONE YEAR.I BELIEVE IT IS DESIRABLE AND PROPER THAT WE COME FREQUENTLY TO HANOI AS A BODY. 000485 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgup^n verty.de la Loi sur l'acces a ^information C K // cl APPENDIX 56 (- 2**)** /. 78- f COPY / OF EIGHT FM HANOI (CORRECTED COPY 523)TSEC CDN EYES ONLY I OPERATION SMALLBRIDGE AFTER HAVING PRESENTED TO VICE FOREIGN MINISTER THACH THE AMERICAN COMMENTS ON DRVN PRINE MINISTERS PROPOSAL ON THE FIRST DAY VE WERE HERE,I RECEIVED TODAY THE REPLY FROM VICE PRIME MINISTER NGUYEN DUY THINH,IN THE QUOTE ABSENCE FROM HANOI UNQUOTE OF PRIME MINISTER PHAM VAN DONG.THINE SAID THAT AFTER STUDYING OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE AMERICAN REPLY.DRVN LEADERS SAW NOTHING IN IT THAT HAD NOT RPT NOT ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE WESTERN PRESS.HE STATED WITH BITTERNESS THAT DXN COULD NOT RPT NOT ACCEPT TO RESPOND TO AMERICAN SUGGESTION THAT DRVN SHOULD PAY A PRICE FOR CESSATION OF QUOTE UNJUST BOMBING UNQUOTE NORTHVIETNAM, WHICH VIOLATES ACCEPTED INTERNATL RELATIONS BETWEEN.NATIONS. HE INSISTED THAT DRVN COULD RESPOND FAVOURABLY ONLY TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OF UNCONDITIONAL CESSATION OF BOMBING AND OTHER ACTS OF WAR AGAINST DRVN.HE THEN CONTINUED TO CATALOGUE AND DENOUNCE AMERICAN CRIMES INVOLVED IN BOMBING NORTHVIETNAN;THIS PROVED IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT LEADERS OF A NATION GUILTY OF SUCH AGGRESSION CAN BE SINCERE?QUOTE ALL THIS TALK OF PEACE.IS DECEITFUL WORDS UNQUOTE. 2. IN ASSOCIATING WITH AMERICANS,TRINH ACCUSED US OF ALSO BEING' INSINCERE AND LACKING GOODWILL IN ARGUMENTS USED IN PRESENTING THE REPLY OF QUOTE DEPRAVED UNQUOTE LEADER OF THE USA QUOTE YOU HAVE ( VEYED TO US THE SAVAGE THREATS OF AMERICANS IT IS REGRETTABLE THAT YOUR PRESENTATION HAS NOT RPT NOT CONVINCED US OF YOUR GOODWILL •..2 Gal 40/ % dpszoyed 000486 42. �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a /'information PAGE TWO 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY MOST ANXIOUS THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN HONOURABLE SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTE WHICH IS AT BOTTOM OF ARMED CONFLICT. YOU KNOW WHAT CDAS ATTITUDE IS TO BOM BING OF DRVN. OUR PM WAS FIRST AND PERHAPS THE ONLY HEAD OF GOVT WHO SUGGESTED A CESSATION OF BOMBING. AND AGAIN OUR PM STATED PUBLICLY TO WHOLE WORLD THAT WE REGRETTED RESUMPTION OF BOMBING. SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO AMERICANS SUGGESTION MADE RY YOUR PM ON MY LAST VISIT, AND CDN GOVT SENT ME TO WASHDC AS SOON AS I CAME BACK,TO CARRY MY REPORT OF MY VISIT HERE TO AMERICANS.! WAS ACCOMPANIED BY CDN AMBASSADOR IN WASHDC, I GAVE TO AMERICANS ORALLY,BY WORD OF MOUTH, THE PROPOSAL MADE BY YOUR PM, EXPLAINING THAT WE WERE DOING THIS BECAUSE CDA HAD OFFERED ITS GOOD OFFICES.I EXPLAINED TO AMERICANS THAT DRVN WOULD BE PREPARED TO RESUME DIRECT TALKS WHICH HAD BEEN STARTED BETWEEN DRVN AND THE USA,AND THAT YOUR GOVT WAS PREPARED TO START TALKS IF USA WOULD UNCONDITIONALLY CEASE THE BOMBING OF THE DRVN AND STOP ALL WARLIKE ACTS AGAINST THE DRyN. RERY FROM THE USA ON THAT FIRST VISIT WAS THAT THEY APPRECIATED THE CDN INITIATIVE IN GOING TO HANOI,THAT THEY APPRECIATE THE CDN GOOD OFFICES IN BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL AND THAT THEY WOULD GIVE IT CONSIDERATION BY THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN THE US A, TH AT IS,THE PRESIDENT. AFTER CONSIDERATION AND IN DUE COURSE THEY INFORMED THE CDN GOVT THAT THEY WERE PREPARED TO GIVE A REPLY. AS SOON AS THE CDN GOVT LEARNED THIS THEY ASKED ME TO GO DOWN TO WASHDC. OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE AMERICAN REPLY IS THIS. THE USA SAID THAT THEY SHALL STOP THE .3 000487 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue davertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 52S TSEC CDN EYES ONLY BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM ON A CONDITION. BEFORE STATING THE CON- DITION I MUST EXPLAIN THAT A CESSATION OF THE BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM MEANS A VERY SERIOUS REDUCTION IN AMERICAN HOSTILITIES AND BECAUSE THEIR POSITION IN THIS RESPECT IS THAT THE BOMBING OF THE DRVN IS LTD TO THE BOMBING OF TRANSPORTATION LINES WHICH IN THEIR OPINION ARE BRINGING MILITARY SUPPLIES FROM THE NORTH, THROUGH THE DRVN, TO THE SOUTH ARM AND SUPPLY THE NATIONAL LIBERATION FRONT IN SOU TH VIETNAM. IF THE USA UNCONDITIONALLY STOPPED THE BOMBING OF THE DRVN,IT WOULD GIVE AN ADVANTAGE TO THE OTHER SIDE,LIKE FIGHTING AN OPPONENT WITH HAND TIED BEHIND YOUR BACK.SO THE CONDITION ON WHICH THEY WOULD AGREE TO STOP THE BOMBING IS THAT THE DRVN SHOULD ALSO OFFER A CONCESSION. THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT CONCESSION THE DRVN WOULD MAKE TO THEM SO THAT IT WOULD BE A MUTUAL INSTEAD OF A ONE-SIDED AFFAIR. THEY WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE AND TO KEEP THIS CHANNEL . OPEN IN ORDER TO GET YOUR REACTIONS. AND THEY DID NOT RPT NOT STATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY EXPECT CONCESSIONS TO BE MADE-THE OFFER ‘WOULD BE YOURS TO MAKE.THEY FELT THAT YOUR SUGGESTION CALLED ON THEM TO MAKE A GREAT CONCESSION, BUT YOU WOULD BE MAKING NO RPT NO CONCESSION IN ORDER TO OBTAIN IT. MY OPINION IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS CHANNEL ALIVE-OR AS IT RUNS IN CHINESE, QUOTE ALIVE AND MOVING UNQUOTE-SO THAT AFTER YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THE AMERICAN REPLY,WHATEVER COMM.ENT,PROPOSAL OR REPLY WHICH YOU HAVE,WE WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE IT, TO KEEP THIS CHANNEL MOVING. THE TYPE OF CONCESSION THEY ( WOULD LIKE YOU TO MAKE IS IMPLIED WHEN THEY TOLD ME THEIR REASON ...4 000488 �. Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE FOUR 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY FOR THE BOMBING. THEY ASSURED US THE BOMBING OF NORTHVIETN AM, OF THE DRVN, DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE THE PURPOSE OF DESTROYING THE COUNTRY OR OF BRINGING THE DRVN TO ITS KNEES IN ORDER TO GET IT TO THE CONFERENCE TABLE, THE ONE PURPOSE IS TO PREVENT SUPPLIES GETTING TO THE SOUTH TO BE USED TO KILL AMERICAN BOYS. Y OU MAY NOT RPT NOT AGREE WITH THEIR REASON OR POSITION. I AM NOT RPT NOT ASKING YOU TO. ALL I ASK IS THAT SINCE THEY TAKE THIS POSITION, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER HOW BEST TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION.YOU SEE,THE USA IS ACCUSING YOU OF SENDING MILITARY SUPPLIES AND MILITARY PERSONNEL TO THE SOUTH; IF THEY STOP BOMBING THE TRANSPORTATION LANES OF THE NORTH, THEY ARE GIVING YOU AN ADVANTAGE WHICH THEY CANNOT RPT NOT GIVE WITHOUT YOUR SCALING DOWN THE LEVEL OF YOUR HOSTILITIES AGAINST THEM, THEY SAID TO ME:QUOTE YOU COE FROM HANOI AND YOU OFFER US THE RECOKENCEMET OF DIRECT TALKS WITH REPS OF THE DRVN IF WE STOP BOBING;IF WE DO THAT WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO STOP SUPPLIES TO THE SOUTH UNQUOTE. SO THERE WE HAVE IT, AS IN CHINESE? QUOTE IF YOU . ASK THE SKY-HIGH PRICE, I WILL OFFER A PRICE DOWN TO EARTH. UNQUOTE THIS MUCH ORALLY-YOU MAY HAVE MANY QUESTIONS TO ASK,WHICH I WILL TRY TO ANSWER, TO GIVE WHAT THE AMERICAN REPLY WAS? I MAY NOT RPT NOT HAVE MADE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR. . THACH? YOUR EXCELLENCY, DO YOU PERSON ALLY, OR YOUR GOVT, HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE AMERICAN REPLY? RONNING?YES, OUR ATTITUDE IS THIS.AS WHEN WE BROUGHT YOUR SUGGESTION TO THEM WITHOUT MODIFYING IT,GIVING IT TO THE AMERICANS EXACTLY AS YOU PUT IT,SO IT WAS ALSO WHEN WE BROUGHT BACK THE AMERICAN REPLY. WE S 000489 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi siir l'acces a I'information / PAGE FIVE 528 TSEC DDN EYES ONLY ARE GIVING IT TO YOU AS GIVEN TO US-WE DID NOT RPT NOT THINK THE USA WOULD ACCEPT YOUR PROPOSAL WITHOUT MODIFICATION, AND WE WERE THEREFORE NOT RPT NOT SURPRISED. I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH BY SAYING THIS: WE HOPE YOU WILL GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THIS REPLY,MAKE MODIFICATIONS,COUNTER-PROPOSALS, FOR US TO BRING BACK AGAIN.I THINK I CAN ASSURE YOU,AND MY GOVT Lld BELIEVES IT ALSO,THAT THE USA WOULD LIE TO STOP THE BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM, AND THEY WILL, IF YOU GIVE THEM AN INDUCEMENT TO STOP. THACH:I THANK YOU,MR AMBASSADOR,FOR HAVING GIVEN ME THIS INFO. I SHALL REPORT IT TO MY GOVT. BUT MY PERSONAL VIEW, AFTER LISTENING TO YOUR INFO,IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE TOLD YOU PREVIOUSLY HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY YOUR INFO.IT IS OBVIOUS, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE USA IS MAINTAINING THE LOGIC AND VIEW OF PIRATESCBUCCANEERS) .BECAUSE THE USA HAS NO RPT NO RIGHT IN NORTHVIETNAM; IT HAS NO RPT NO RIGHT TO BRING ITS TROOPS TO SOUTHVIETNAM SO HOW CAN THE USA THEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK CONDITIONS FOR STOPPING THE BOMBING?THIS IS IRRATIONAL AND ILLOGICAL,AND NOT RPT NOT JUST IN THE VIEW OF THE VIET- NAMESE: PUBLIC OPINION CONDEMNS THE BOMBING,EVEN PART OF THE AMERICAN RULING CIRCLES HAVE DONE SO-FOR EXAMPLE SENATOR FULLBRIGHT. AND THEREFORE THEIR ASKING FOR CONDITIONS IS SIMPLY PIRATICAL LOGIC. THE AMERICANS LAUNCHED AGGRESSION AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHVIETNAM, WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIGHT IN SELF-DEFENCE,TO ACCEPT THE AID OF THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD.NORTHVIETNAM AND SOUTHVIETNAM ARE PARTS OF ONE COUNTRY:THE PEOPLE OF NORTHVIETNAM HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH-AND THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHVIETNAM HAVE AN ...6 000490 �• Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE SIX 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY OBLIGATION TO THE PEOPLE OTHE NORTH. THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY OUR PM ARE PROMPTED BY A DESIRE TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THE AMERICANS AND TO SAVE THEIR FACE-TO OFFER THEM AN-OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THE WAR AND AT THE SAME TIME SAVE FACE. RONNING:MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION-PERHAPS FORAN ANSWER LATER ON? I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STOPPING OF THE ENTIRE WAR AND THE BEGINNING OF TALKS.I TOLD THEM YOU WERE NOT RPT NOT OFFERING TO STOP THE WAR.IF WE COULD MERELY GO ON FROM GETTING TALKS STARTED,ON TO A CEASE-FIRE.I PUT IT TO THE AMERICANS THAT IT WAS AN OFFER ONLY OF TALKS,NOT RPT NOT OF A CEASE-FIRE. THACHJWHAT I HAVE JUST SAID HAS BEEN CORRECTLY UNDERSTOOD BY YOU, MR AMBASSADOR.IT IS A MATTER OF THE FIRST STEP ONLY,TO CREATE CONDITIONS FOR THE USA TO PULL OUT OF SOUTHVIETNAM WITH HONOUR. I SHOULD ADD THAT THE INCREASING OF TROOPS BY THE AMERICANS AND THE INCREASE IN BOMBINGS CAN NEVER BRING OUR PEOPLES TO SUBMISSIONTHE AMERICANS INSTEAD'WILL SUFFER A BITTER DEFEAT,AND NOT RPT NOT ' ONLY A DEFEAT IN VIETNAM BUT BEFORE THE WHOLE WORLD.SINCE YOU WERE HERE IN MAR-IT IS NOW JUN-THE PLIGHT OF THE AMERICANS GETS WORSE AND WORSE. THEN IT WAS 22000 TROOPS; NOW,267000. AND THE DEFEAT WILL BE CORRESPONDINGLY GREATER.WHERE THE AMERICANS HAVE TROOPS IN THE GREATEST NUMBER,THERE THE PEOPLE OPPOSE THEM IN THE GREATEST NUMBER-IN SAIGN,HUE,DANANG,WHERE THEY HAVE 30000 TO 40000. AND THEREFORE I TOLD YOU THAT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY OUR PM ARE INTENDED TO GIVE THE USA AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OF THE VIETNAM PROBLEM WITH HONOUR. RONNING:DOES CESSATION OF BOMBING HELP THIS? I UNDERSTAND THE 7* 000491 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a information ( M PAGE FOURTEEN 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY OF HANOI CAN BE AVOIDED BY. AN HONOURABLE SETTLEMENT,WHICH IS WANTED BY BOTH YOU AND USA.SO THATS OUR HOPE:A PEACEFUL SOLUTION. THACH:BUT THE AMERICANS WONT WITHDRAW. RONNING:THEY WILL,WITH GUARANTEES. THACH:PEOPLE ARE FREE:WE DONT RPT DONT ASK GUARANTEES. FOR AMERICAS BLACK PEOPLE. RONNING:THE AMERICANS ARE HERE,YOU ARE NOT RPT NOT IN USA. THACH:BEFORE WE CAN NEGOTIATE FROM STRENGTH WE MUST BE VICTORIOUS. RONNINGSYOU HAVE SUFFICIENT STRENGTH NOW TO NEGOTIATE AND SO HAVE THE AMERICANS. THACH:IF THE AMERICANS WONT RPT WONT WITHDRAW WITHOUT CONDITIONS, THERE WILL BE.NO RPT NO ANSWER BUT FOR US TO FIGHT. RONNING:A PEACEFUL SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE.YOU HAVE THE MOST TO GAIN FROM IT. THACH:WE ARE SUFFERING, AND ON OUR OWN TERRITORY, RONNING:YOU WILL GET YOUR ULTIMATE AIM,THROUGH A PEACEFUL SOLUTION. WITH REGARD TO YOUR PM I ASK YOU TO GIVE HIM GREETINGS FROM MY PM AND FM.THE RECEPTION HE HAS ACCORDED US IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. I SHALL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HIM. THACH:! WILL DO SO.HE IS COURSE VERY BUSY AT PRESENT.WE WILL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT SEEING HIM. TOO:190200Z TOR:200940Z 000492 �Document disclosed under.the Access.to Information Act (CCN: AMEND LAST LINE PAGE SIX TO READ QUOTE I ONBEKSTooD W 06W k PAGE SEVEN 52S TSEC CDN EYES ONLY SUGGESTION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH. THACHSI QUOTE AGREE. BUT I THINK,MR AMBASSADOR, THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THE FIRST CONTACTS WITH THE USA ARE THE FIRST STEP IN THE , SETTLEMENT OF THE VIETNAM PROBLEM.MAYBE THE TALKS MAY LEAD TO NOTH- ING. THEREFORE I THINK THE VIEWS OF OUR PM,PROMPTED BY GOOD-WILL IN THIS SENSE, AND THEREFORE IT IS CLEAR THAT THE AMERICAN REPLY SHOWS THAT THE USA IS NOT RPT NOT AT ALL READY FOR A SOLUTION OF. THE PROBLEM. AND THE CONDITION THEY IMPLIED IS JUST A PRETEXT FOR' CARRYING ON THE WAR, WE WILL NEVER SUBMIT;! SHOULD MAKE THIS QUITE CLEAR.I SHOULD SAY HERE THAT THE BOMBING CONSTITUTES GUEVOUS CRIMES PERPETRATED ON THE PEOPLE-IT IS NOT RPT NOT ONLY AN ENCROACH- MENT ON SOVEREIGNTY, A VIOLATION OF INTERNATNL LAW.IF NOW IN IN TERNATNL RELATIONS A COUNTRY BRINGS ITS BOMBS INTO PLAY IN THIS WAY, : IT WOULD BE A JUNGLE LAW. I SHOULD ADD THAT THEY ARE BOABING HOSPIT- ALS, SCHOOLS, IR RIG ATI ON WORKS, ETC. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED FOR IT. THESE ARE ROUGHLY MY PERSONAL VIEWS IN THIS CONNECTION. I WILL REPORT TO MY GOVT. RONNING: AS ON THE PREVIOUS OCCASION-I WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT THE s a me a t t it u d e a s be f o r e w it h r e g a r d t o w h a t s h a ppe n e d in Vie t n a m . WHILE I APPRECIATE V^ERY MUCH GETTING YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND THE FRANK WAY YOU HAVE PUT YOUR POSITION.! AM UNABLE TO GO INTO THE CAUSES.THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION IS THAT YOU NOW HAVE IN VIETNAM ! A FULLY-FLEDGED WAR. WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE QUESTION OF WHO IS IN THE VRONG-w HO IN THE RIGHT-THESE OPINIONS C BEGIN UNDERLIN- 000493 ING)ARE( END UNDERLINING) IMPORT ANT-BUT AT THIS POINT, FOR THE MISSION �• Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information ’AGE EIGHT 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY ON WHICH I AM ENGAGED, THEY ARE LESS IMPORTANT THAN TAKING A STEP TO STOP WHAT IS HAPPENING. WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATI ONS-IF THEY DO COME-THERE WILL BE A FULL EXCHANGE OF VIEWS ON WHY THIS HAPPENED. AT THE PRESENT' TIME I DO NOT RPT NOT SAY IT IS UNIMP ORTANTjIT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GIVE YOUR POINTS OF VIEW TO US. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEWS.I AM GLAD YOU HAVE AGAIN SET OUT YOUR POSITION,IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CHANNEL OPEN.TWICE IN WASHDC I HAVE PUT YOUR VIEWS TO THE AMERICANS, AND I THINK I SHOULD PUT THEIRS TO YOU,SO THAT YOU WILL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHERS POSITION AND PERHAPS DECIDE TO TALK. I HAVE NO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID, WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE REPLY INDICATES THE AMERICANS HAVE NO RPT NO SINCERITY AND HAVE NO RPT NO INTENTION OF STOPPING THE BOMBING OF THE NORTH. I SINCERELY BELIEVE, AND MY GOVT BELIEVES,THAT THE USA IS COMPLETELY SINCERE IN ITS WISH TO STOP THIS BOMBING AND TO PULL OUT OF VIETNAM ALTOGETHER. I AM CONVINCED OF THIS, SO CONVINCED, TKAT IF I WERE NOT RPT NOT I WOULD NOT RPT NOT HAVE ACCEPTED THE MISSION TO COME HERE. THACH: I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BELIEVE THIS, THE FRANKNESS OF THE AMERICANS. I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT WE ARE THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY CONCERNED, AND WE ARE AFRAID YOU ARE MISTAKEN. RONNING:IF I THOUGHT I WERE BEING FOOLED BY THE AMERICANS,! VOULDNT COME, WE DONT APPROVE OF HOSTILITIES. TH ATS WHY CDA IS TRYING TO PUT A STOP TO IT. BUT YOU SHOULD GIVE SOME CREDENCE TO THE AMERICAN REASONS FOR BEING HERE.THE REASONS MAY NOT RPT NOT BE RIGHT, BUT THEY HAVE THEM. THE REASONS FOR THIS- TKACH: c INTERRUPTING)VE HAVE LISTENED TO THEIR ...9 000494 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE NINE 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY REASONS NOT RPT NOT .JUST RECENTLY, BUT FOR 1, YEARS NOW, SINCE GN EV A. NOT RPT NOT ONLY THE VIETNAM ES E, BUT THE AMERICANS PEOPLE DONT ACCEPT THEM. WITH REF TO THE BOMBING AS A MEANS OF STOPPING TRAFFIC AND SUPPLIES FOR KILLING AMERICAN BOYS.... RONNING:.... WHICH ARE BEING USED TO KILL THEM NOW. s THACH:I SHOULD SAY THIS ARGUMENT IS A FABRICATION TO SERVE AS A PRETEXT FOR THE BOMBING OF NORHT VIETNAM. I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT RPT NOT BE KILLED HERE.... ' RONNING:IF THEY WERE NOT RPT NOT HERE OF COURSE THEY WOULD NOT RPT NOT BE KILLED HERE, BUT THEY ARE HERE. THACH: THE USA SHOULD FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND BRING THE BOYS HOME. AND WHY THINK ONLY OF THE DEATH OF AMERICANS? THERES THE DEATH OF HUNDRES OF THOUSANDS OF VIETNAMESE-SINCE THE DAYS WHEN THERE WERE ONLY AMERICAN ADVISERS PLUS AMERICAN WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION. RONNING: TO TAKE UP THIS LAST POINT, IT IS QUITE TRUE THAT THEY WOULDNT BE KILLED IF THEY VERENT HERE. BUT THE SITUATION IS THAT THEY ARE HERECAND IT IS IRRELEVANT WHETHER THEY BEGIN UNDERLINING . SHOULD END UNDERLINING BE HERE),AND THE AMERICAN GOVT MUST PROTECT THEM. THACH: I THINK THIS ARGUMENT IS • ••10 000495 �- Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information . I PAGE TEN 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY UNTENABLE,FOR SO LONG AS ONE AMERICAN REMAINS IN SOUTH VIETNAM, OPPOSITION WILL REMAIN. RONNING:YES,I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE YOUR OWN GOOD REASONS FOR SENDING SUPPLIES AND MEN TO HELP IN THE FIGHTING.WHETHER THE REASONS ARE RIGHT OR WRONG IS ANOTHER POINT. THACH:THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH VIETNAM THEMSELVES HAVE ENOUGH MEANS AND THE RIGHT TO FIGHT. RONNING:TWO THINGS I AM TRYING TO SAY-JUST TO FINISH.IT IS BEGIN UNDERLINING LOGICAL END UNDERLINING FOR THEM TO SAY:QUOTE WE HAVE TROOPS IN’ THE SOUTH?ARMS AND AMMUNITION ARE COMING FROM THE NORTH.IF WE ARE TO PROTECT OUR BOYS IN THE SOUTH,WE CANNOT RPT NOT STOP BOMBING COMMUNICATIONS IN THE NORTH.UNQUOTE AND THEY ARE SAYING:QUOTE WE ARE WILLING TO START TALKS AND WE ARE WILLING TO STOP THE BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM TO GET TALKS STARTED BEGIN UNDERLINING IF END UNDERLINING THE NORTH WILL STOP SENDING SUPPLIES.UNQUOTE IT WOULD BE FOOLISH OF ME TO COME IF I DID NOT RPT NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR ARGUMENT.I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IT,AND TO . SEE THEIR POINT OF VIEW. THERE IS ANOTHER COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE.MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA ARE AGAINST THE POLICY OF WAR IN VIETNAM.(IT IS TRUE WHAT YOU SAY). YOU HAVE MENTIONED FULLBRIGHT. THERE ARE MANY OTHERS, AND THERE MAY BE MORE. BUT IT MUST BE REMEMBERED THAT EVEN AMONG THESE PEOPLE WHO CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENTS VIETNAM POLICY THERE IS NOT RPT NOT ONE (NOT RPT NOT EVEN LIPPMAN)WHO IS SAYING THAT THE AMERICAN TROOPS ... 11 000496 Em �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi surJ'acces a I'informatton C------- —> P\ £083% ? 5 •;[{3, 4 $ FM COMCENTRE SA IGN JUN22/66 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY TO CONCENTRE OTT SVC 120 EMERGENCY : REFERENCE YOUR SVC1169 JUN21 OPERATION SMALLSRIDGE-VICE PRIME MINISTER ’ (Saiqnl/a*9*/9J HEREWITH REPETITIONS REQUESTED: QUOTE URGE THAT THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE PAY RPT PAY SOME PRICE FOR THEIR STOPPING THE AGGRESSION.AND THEY STILL ASK SOME PRICE FOR STOPPING HOSTITILITIES,WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED PURELY AND . : SIMPLY. WE HAVE MANY TIMES EXPOUNDED THE JUST STAND OF OUR GOVT.THE AMERICANS HAVE NOT RPT NOT SHOWN ANY UNQUOTE. 2.QUOTE INTERNATL RELATIONS BETWEEN COUNTRIES.AND ALL THE DEEDS OF THE AMERICANS SHOWN TO US MORE CLEARLY THAT THEY ARE AGRESSIVE AND WARLIKE,THAT ALL THEIR TALK OF PEACE IS DECEITFUL WORDS.AS TO THE ENCROACHMENT ON THE TERRITORY AND THE SECURITY OF THE DRVN, THE ONLY THING DEMANDED OF THEM IS THAT THEY STOP THESE DEEDS. UNQUOTE. 3.QUOTE. BEFORE SEEING YOU TODAY.WE TRY TO SEE YOUR GOOD WILL IN , YOUR STATEMENTS IN THE INTERVIEWS IN THE LAST FEW DAYS,AND UNQUOTE. 4.QUOTE EXPRESS AFTER HAVING REPORTS ON THE INTERVIEWS YOU HAVE HAD.I WOULD LIKE TO UNQUOTE. 5.QUOTE END OF CHANNEL THERE IS MISTER MOORE;IF IN BETWEEN UNQUOTE i 000497 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information. ( PAGE TWELVE 528 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY OUR TALKS SHOW MANY SIMILARITIES,BUT MANY DIFFERENCES TO AND I AM INSTRUCTED BY MY GOVT TO LISTEN TO THE EXPOSITION OF THE CDN GOVTS MSG.HAVE YOU PERHAPS SOMETHING TO ADD? RONNING:NO RPT NO I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE AMERICANS REPLY,AND ASK YOU TO PASS IT TO THE PM.I SHOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM,AND TO GIVE HIM FURTHER EXPLANATIONS,IF DESIRED,BEFORE HE GIVES A REPLY.IT WOULD FOR THIS REASON BE DESIRABLE TO SEE HIM EARLY. THERE IS ONLY ONE MORE COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE.I THINK WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME I SAID THAT THE AMERICANS WERE DETERMINED AND AND STRONG,AND WOULD CONTINUE THEIR BUILD-UP IN VIETNAM.I AM SURE THIS WILL CONTINUE. IT IS A GREAT MISTAKE TO UNDER-ESTIMATE THE GREAT POWER AND DETERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.IF NECESSARY, THEY WILL BRING IN 30000,500,000 MEN. THACH:WE ARE PREPARED FOR THEM UP TO ONE MILLION.WE ARE PREPARED IN HAIPHONG,IN HANOI.ALL CHILDREN ARE EVACUATED.I THINK THE AMERICANS HAVE NOT RPT NOT CORRECTLY EVALUATED THE DETERMINATION OF THE VIETNAMESE. ONLY THE FRENCH WERE CAPABLE OF THAT. RONNING:IT IS A MISTAKE TO EQUATE THE AMERICANS WITH THE FRENCH. THACH:DONT MISTAKE OUR ESTIMATION OF THE FRENCH.WE REALIZE IT IS DIFFERENT NOW. RONNING:IT WAS ONE -THING TO DEFEAT AND OVERCOME THE FRENCH,IT IS QUITE ANOTHER TO OVERCOME THE USA. THACH:I QUITE AGREE.THE SOUTH VIETNMESE FIGHTERS HAVE FOUND IT IS EASIER TO FIGHT AMERICAN SOLDIERS THAN FRENCH SOLDIERS-LIGHT EQPT, . ETC,MORE SUITABLE.ONE THING IS THE RESOURCEFULNESS OF THE FRENCH ...13 000498 �Document disclosed under the Access'to Information Act Document divulgue_en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THIRTEEN SAIGN 527 .TSEC ODN EYES ONLY POLITICAL CONFERENCE.WE ARE PREPARED TO EXAMINE THE QUESTION IF OUR STAND IS ACCEPTED BY THE AMERICANS AND THEY ISSUE A DECLARATION TO THAT EFFECT.THEY MUST STOP THE BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM,CANCEL : THE BASES,STOP THE AGGRESSION AGAINST SOUTHVIETNAM ,LET THE VIETNAM PROBLEM BE SOLVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POLITICAL PLATFORM OF THE NLF,AND LEAVE REUNIFICATION TO THE VIETNAMESE THEMSELVES WITH- OUT FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.IT DEPENDS ON THE ATTITUDE OF THE USA, WHETHER IT SHOWS CLEARLY THAT THE CONDITIONS FOR • A CONFERENCE ARE THERE.IF WE DO NOT RPT NOT LOOK INTO THE CONTENT OF THE CONFERENCE,BUT ONLY INTO RECONVENING A GNEVA AGREEMENTS CONFERENCE,THEN THE CONFERENCE WILL SOLVE NOTHING. I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT ALL THE PEOPLE,NORTH AND SOUTH,ARE VERY EARNEST ABOUT HAVING PEACE,BUT NOT RPT NOT A PEACE WITH THE BOMBING OF THE NORTH AND THE GUNSHELLS OF THE: AMERICANS FORCING US. BECAUSE PEACE MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH GENUINE INDEPENDENCE FOR THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE.NOW PLEASE THINK,IF SOME FOREIGN AGGRESSOR COMES TO BOMB AND SHELL THE NORTHERN OR SOUTHERN PART OF USA,DO YOU THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD ACCEPT WHAT IS BEING FORCED ON US NOW BY THEM? RONNING:NO RPT NO.THERE IS NO RPT NO DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BET- WEEN US ON THIS.I HAVE TOLD THEM.BUT IT HAS HAPPENED,IT IS A FAIT ACCOMPLI.CAN WE NOW STOP IT?THIS IS MY GOVTS POSITION.. TRINH:I THINK I REMEMBER I TOLD YOU LAST TIME THAT WE SHOULD NOT RPT NOT DISSOCIATE THE PAST FROM THE PRESENT.THE SCIENTIFIC •..14 000499 �Document disclosed underthe Access to Information Act ... Document divulgue eg vertu de ta Loi sur l’acces a I'information { PAGE FOURTEEN SAIGN 527 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY ATTITUDE WOULD BE ANALYSE THE QUOTE VHY?VHAT WAS THE CAUSE UNQUOTE AND PROCEED TO THE SOLUTION. RONNING: YES. I AGREETRINH:-AND PEACE-LOVING OPINION IN THE WORLD CANNOT RPT NOT ALLOW ANY COUNTRY INCLUDING USA,TO PUT THEM BEFORE A FAIT ACCOMPLI. IF WE ACCEPTED IT,IT MEANS ACCEPTING THE 280,000 TROOPS,AND THEY WILL REMAIN IN VIETNAM. RONNING:TNE FAIT ACCOMPLI,! DID NOT RPT NOT MEAN IT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED.IT is THE SITUATION as it EXISTS NOW.I SHOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IT,A BAD SITUATION.THE QUESTION IS HOW BEST TO CHANGE IT. AS TO AN ANALYSIS OF THE CAUSES,! AGREE THAT THERE CAN BE NO RPT NO SOLUTION UNTIL THE CAUSES ARE EXAMINED,A SOLUTION IS DEP- ENDENT ON THE CAUSES.MY POINT HOWEVER IS THIS:FIRST GET THE HOSTIL- ITIES STOPPED AND THEN HAVE A CONFERENCE TO GO INTO ALL THAT. THE QUESTION NOW IS HOW TO GET IT STOPPED.SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD SIMPLIFY IN GENERAL TERMS THE 'GENERAL LINES ON WHICH SOME AGREEMENT MIGHT BE REACHED TO BRING ABOUT THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES AND PREPARE THE GROUND FOR A SOLUTION.THE GENERAL LINES I HAVE IN MIND ARE THAT WE ASK USA TO RECONSIDER AND TO MAKE CLEAR CUNDERLINED) THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE NLF, AGREE TO A COMPLETE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES IN VIETNAM,TO AGREE TO THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS WHICH PROVIDE THAT THE VIETN- AMESE PEOPLE SHOULD DECIDE THEIR OWN DESTINIES.THEN AT A CONFERENCE OF GREAT po w e r s a n d INCLUDING THOSE COUNTRIES ...15 000500 �V Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information 4. 0 1 PAGE FJO 525 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY UNQUOTE 3*1 EXPRESSED DISAPPOINTMENT THAT OUR SINCERITY AND GOODWILL SHOULD BE GJES11000 AND SUGGESTED THA THIS WAS THE CASE THERE WOULD BE NO RPT KO POINT TO CONTINUING OUR CONVERSATION OR KEEPING CHANNEL OPEN BETWEEN HANOI AND OTT.THE VICE PRIME MINISTER THEN MODIFIED HIS ATTITUDE RESPECTING OUR SINCERITY AND GOODWILL AND AGREED THAT CHANNEL SHOULD BE KEPT OPEN. 4.DRVN REPLY VAS NOT RPT NOT UNEXPECTED ESPECIALLY AFTER THE AIRING IN THE JESTER PRESS OF PRES JOHNSONS OFFER WHICH WAS ALMOST IDENTICAL Ulin MSG CDA HAD TAKEN SO MUCH TROUBLE TO DELIVER*I TRIED THEREFORE TO SOUND OUT VICE PRIME EINISTER AS TO THEIR ATTITUDE TO BROADER PROBLEM OF AN OVER-ALL CEASE FIRE AND PEACE CONFERENCE. ' HIS COMMENTS,WHICH INCLUDED OPINION THAT IN VIEW OF AMERICAN ATTITUDE,QUOTE THE TIME IS NOT RPT NOT RIPE UNQUOTE AND THE STATEMENT QUOTE WE DESIRE PEACE UNQUOTE WILL BE RELAYED TO YOU FROM SAIGN 5. YOU MAY WISH TO WAIT UNTIL MAY ARRIVAL IN OTT BEFORE GIVING WASHDC THE FULL REPORT ON THE DRVN REJECTION OF THEIR RESPONSE. 6.FOLLOWING TEL GIVES TEXT OF DRVN PRESS RELEASEC GRP CRRPT) TONIGHT FOR ISSUE TOMORROW. 000501 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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YRTEL 450 JUNS 6 SU2/CL OPERATION SMLLSRDG - DISCUSSIONS IN HANOI FOLLOWING ARE GUIDELINES FOR RONNING’S FORTIICOIIG VISIT TO HANOI. ONE CF OUR RAIN CONCERNS IS TO XS33P ALIVE DIPLOMATIC FAVE ESTABLISHED KITH HANOI. CONTACT WE HAVE 1:0 LCSSSIV: EXPECT TICIS AS REGARDS RESULTS LIKELY TO BE ACHIEVE ROUND. ON THIS IN PARTICULAR, WE ARE FAR FROM SANGUINE CONCERNING RECGPEIC MICH IS LIKELY TO DE ACCORDED TO OUR SUBSTANTIA MESSAGE IN HANOI. NEVERTHELESS, WE ATTACH IMPORTANCE TO THE CHANNEL AS SUCH BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO DE THE ONLY CHANNEL OF THIS KIND WICII IS CURRENTLY ACTIVE AND BECAUSE 19 CANNOT ANTICIPATE AT WHAT POINT IN TI THIS CHANNEL MAY ASSURE REAL SIGNIFICANCE. 3. NE ARE ALSO CONCWD TO MAK, IT CIEAR TO NORTH VIET NASI THAT THIS IS AND REAINS A CLH INTTUTT. IN.THE NATURE OF THINGS, IT IS INVJ‘‘ANLE THAT SOLE C]? THE' THOUGHTS DE CONVEY II H/1O. SHOULD REFLECT AARICAN THINKING AND AMERICAN DECCCUNTIOIS. ALL, IS INHERENT IN THE PUhess CF 2 A20131 . IT IS SCTHI _ . -rerox: ISTRIDUTION «L/ LOCALE :; .31 d. s ch l a r. ealedeemotep EXT 10/D1L (GAV 6/Gz) ../A 1 1 . ORGl AOR/nOcTUR SIG. THAT, AFTER DVIS0 19 !nr 120: torn AGRKD///0N5E TEELNHC 2-6307 S13, 000463 . �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de IckLoisur l'acces a I'informqtion 2 T()} THAT ALSO isOUS ID REVERSE DINCTION. CrC12|Y 7 (q'AY W UE UEDERTCOK THIS POIBILITY WE WERE FULLY AWARE THAT, IN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE POSTTIONS AND PROPOSITION’S OF ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, UE COULD NOT XPECT IN ALL INSTANCES TO ENCOUNTER A POSITIVE RESPONSE. UE WERE HOPEFUL, HOEVER, THAT THIS WOULD NOT LEAD TO A MISUNDERSTANDING OF OU!t CWN ROLE WHICH WAS TO TRY TO BE OF ASSISTANCE IK BSNCOURACING AIID SUSTAINING A DIALOGUE BETR PART TO V.CETAA15 CONFLICT IN THE HOPE THAT, IN TIME, THIS MIGHT IIELP TO BRING OUTLINES OF AN EVENTUAL ACCCWqpATION INTO CLEARER F(US. /• AS FAR AS CDN GOVT YAS CONCERNED, YE CONTINUED TO BE DEEPLY DISTURBED BY COURSE OF DEVELOFNENTS IN VIETNAM. Y HAD BEEN IC OURA GED BY TREND WHICH HAD DEVELOPED IN FOST-WAR YEARS OF lTSRNATICNL CoUI1Y BRING ABLE TO MR11G ITS INFLUENCE TO BEAR ON SITUATION’S OF CONFLICT IN SUCH A WAY AS TO ITS PEACEFUL SoEUTCMS. GROUAD FOR UE RBCARND VIETNAM SITUATION AS NISEE/NT20°G SETBACK TO THIS TREND. e WE WERE ALSO, NATURALLY, CORCERIIED ABOUT RZSKS II HE FT IK CONTINUATION OF ARED HOSTILITIES IN VUT] JAM NOT ONLY IN TERES OF THEIR IMPLICATIONS FOR STABILITY IN SOUTHEAST ASIA BUT ALSO OF ESTABLISHMENT OF BROADER BASIS OF INTERNATIONAL UNDSRSTANDNS AND COOPERATION. WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE REGARDED AS CRUCIAL FROBLEL IN THAT PART OF WORLD, WHICH WAS FULFIL1 EIT OF ASPIRATIONS OF PEOPLE OF SOUTHEAST ASIA FOR BETTER LIFE ARD RISING STANDARDS OF LIVING. THIS WAS SCLTMllC TO WHICJ UE EBRE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING WITHIN EE/.SURS OF OUR CAPACITY AUD TO 3ISH WE PREPARED TO DEVOTE ADDITIONAL kSS2J02S AS A liS/_13 OF MITIGATING SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DISLOCATIONS THAT CURRENT CONFLICT WAS A:—ITABLY AuaclC 1117 ITS UAW- ...3 XT I8A(J/C4) 000464 �' Document 'disclosed under the Access to Information Act 3 Jo , l^^titfiecrt-clivuiguee:en n vt vetto de,la oi sur l'acces a / hformatleh - HAVING PAPARED GuN LL GROUND IN i’ho al b) HAVNO, Ll THE PROCESS, ESTABLISHED ESSENTIALLY GDI’ COMPLEXION OF THIS SECOND VISIT, ROIINIIIG SHOULD THEN PROCEED .TO PRESENT MDSSAGE CORCETIIIG CESSATION OF BOMBING. TEMT TO RE USED IS THAT GIVEI IJ OUTEL Y102 GF "JUNS 3 TO BRUSSELS (RPTD TO YOU) WITH THIRD SENTENCE AMEJED TO READ QUOTE TWELVE YEARS UNQUOTE IN PLACE OF QUOTE ELEVEN YEARS UNUC AS WE SEE IT, MAIN ADVANTAGE OF CDN MESSAGE IS THAT IT IS 7 1 LESS SPECIFIC IN ITS FORMULATION'THAN USA PRESENTATION IDE TO CHINESE IN SA. IT CAN THUS BE INTERPRETED IN LIGHT OF PARA 5 OF CURIEL Y-114 OF JUN 4 AND THIS SHOULD DE MAIN IMPACT OF RONNING’S PRESENTATION IN FIRST INSTANCE. WHILE THIS IS SOMETHING 1.71 JUST NATUTLLY LEAVE TO HIS DISCRETION IN LICHT OF WIOLE ATMOSPHERE OF HIS DISCUSSIONS, WE REGARD IT AS IMPORTANT THAT HE SHOULD DO EVERYTHI HE CAN TO ELICIT SOME ELEENT OF M.S PONSE FROM PHAM VAN DONG WHICH l.’CULD MMELE US TO JU THIS PiRTTCULiR LINE OF APPROACH AS A MEANS OF UNSLOSKI!G CHANNELS BETN51 MIE T/O SIDES. 8. RONNING MIGHT II THE POINT. THAT, IF CAUSE OF PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT OF VIETE PROBLEM IS TO BE ADVANCED. - AS ALL WHO HAVE INTERESTS OF VIETIIAMSE PEOPLE IN NID PROFOUNDLY IO.E THAT IT CAN EL - TIIEIE WILL HAVE TO BE WILLIIIGNESS ON BOTH SIDES TO MOVE BEYOND THEIR PRESENT POSITIONS. AS FAR AS CBN GOVT IS C ONC END, WE WOULD (77 COURSE PARTJCULRLY WELCOME ANY MOVE HTCil WOUI HAVE .MITIGATING EFFECT ON PRESENT SCOPE AND SCALE OF HOSTILITIES AND IN THIS WAY PROVI TT2R CLTT FOR DISCUSSION OF SUESMANTJVE ISSUES WHICH WILL INEVITABLY HAVE TO BE EEBAREED UFON 17 SC_ STAGE a ARE SATISFIED THAT USA GO/T hid SINCERE IN ISifld TO WORK T0JARDS PEACEMUL SETTLENT AND PREPARED TO TAKE MEANNGMUL STEPS HIGII WOULD Fil’lSHi SUCH AN OUTCOME. ON THE OTilEit HAND, E OULD BE LESS THAN FRANK IF WE FAILED TO UNDERLINE WAT WE TAKE TO PE JETEMIIT1O1 OF USA TO 1RS1ST IN THEIR PRESENT COURSE OF TOLICI 000465 > DXT ICA(5/e4) ..oh �- 4 - Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act D^f^o^nt,diyiJ^ue.e,ri.^ert^e, Ig^o^sur l'acces a I'inforn ap6n IN ABSENCE OF SCC RFT Su INDICATION THAT iClT VIAAMESL i WILLING TO MEET THEM FART WAY WE RECOGNIZE THAT, IN A SITUATION IN WHICH CONSIDERABLE 9. CCMEITMEKTS OF PO.DR AND PRESTICE ARE ENGAGED ON BOTH SIDES, THERE IS-AN INHERENT TENDENCY FOR POSITIONS TO REMAIN FROZEN. IT WOULD BE OUR HOFS, HOWEVER, TILT IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME BEGINNING 02 EOVEENT THIS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH 113126U2 E IBARRAS SME NT TC EITHER PARTYo IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO FACILITATE MATTERS WITH THIS CONSIDERATION IN MIND, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO TAKE HATEVER ACTION WE COULD TO THAT END. 1.0. YOU WILL WANT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT PURPOSE OF OUR INITIAL DOUNDINCS IN HANOI WAS TO SEE WHETHER TIIEU WAS ANY BASIS OH WHICH Y COULD BE M.V FOR DIRECT DISCUSSIONS .BENAE! THE PARTIES. IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO TRCBIGS IN THIS DIRECTION THAT NORTH VI... 111333 ADVANCED PROFCSTICN REGARDING CESSATION OF BCRIlC WHICH WE TOOK TO IDO AND TO WHICH USA HAVE NOW REACTED. WHILE WE CANRIOT ANTICIPAT NORTH VIETNAMESE REBLY IT IS EATJRY POSSIBLE THAT /E MAY J1ND HAVE REACHED END OF THIS PARTICULAR ROAD. E WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER, HCWVER, THAT THIS IN ANY WAY RULES CUT OTHER LINES OF APPROACH. J. _ o ACCORDINGLY, IF ROHIIG’S PRESENTATION FAILS TO ELICIT ANY INDICATION OF FLEXIBILITY, SECOND LINE OF ATTACK SHOULD BE MADE ON BASIS OF PARA 4 OF ORAL I LESAGE WHICH EXPRESSES INTEREST QUOTE IN ANY RESPONSE OR ANY INDICATION OF. ITS POSITION IN ANY RESPECT UlKUOTE WHICH NORTH V.MTNSE GOVT NICHT WISH TO COMMUNICATE TO CDN GOVT. IN THIS CONTEXT WE WOULD HOPE THAT ROENIS COULD EPLC1 IN SCE DETAIL PHAM VAN DONG'S IL TERETAION OF THInD OF HANOI’S FOUR POINTS. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY CRUCIAL POINT IN USA CONSIDERATION OF )1315 OF ANY EVTUAL ACCOMODATION IN VIETNAM AND YOU WILL RECALL AT IT FORMED SUBJECT OF EXTLORATOY CONTACTS IN RANGOON DUATG BOMBING PAUSE BEFORE THEY WERE CLOSED OFF BY NORTH VIETNAMESE. “XTICA(/cA) (/000466 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I’information TOP SECRET (CEO) ■ - 5 GU2MY ACCOUNT OF TISSE CONTACTS IS SET OUT IN TOPSEC DE i: I. MORAN JUM OF APR 28 WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO YOU AED MIGHT FORM BASIS 03 ANY FURTHER SOUNDIIIGS RONNTIG MAY DECIDE TO TAKE WI.TIOUT, OF COURSE, INDICATING CDI KNOWLEDGE OF THESE EXCHANGES.) RONNING MIGHT ALSO TEST THE GROUND TO SEE WETIER NORTH VIETNAMESE ARE INCLINZD TO FOLLOW UP THEIR ONH INTEREST IN OBTAINING FURTHER CLARIFICATION OF USA POSITION AS REGARDS CIRCUSTANCES IN WHICH THEY WOULD BE PREPARED TO ENVISAGE WITHDRAWAL OF MILITARY PERSONNEL AUD BASES IN SOUTH VIETNAM AS PART OF ANY ULTIMATE SETTLEMENT. PREMES DISCUSSED WITH YOU BY HA VAN LAU (PARA 7 YRTEL 1^9 JUNE 5) MIGHT PROVIDE USEFUL OPENING FOR SOUNDINGS ON TIF33 GSNZRAJ. LINES. 2.2. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE AGREED (OURTEL Y-396 JUNE 2) TO TMRSMIT ES3A33 ON PRISONERS (SEE ATTCIIMENT TO CURLET Y-368 MAY 20) IN TETUS RCCUBSTED BY USA. WE WOULD THI THAT FOREIGN INISTR JGHT BE SUITA ME JEVBL AT WICH TO MAKE THIS ATTQACIl PREPARED, HOWEVER, TO RELY ON RONNING'S JUDGMENT HAVING IN MlD (A) OBVIOUS TMPORTANCE OF THIS MESSAGE TO USA AND (R) ATMOS PH Ml OF TALKS IN HANOI AND ORDER IN WHICH HIS APPOINT NTS WITH VARIOUS SENIOR PERSONALITIES THERE ARE SCHEDULED. AS REGARDS TIMING' IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, OF COURSE, IF THIS PARTICULAR I UTTER COULD BE LEFT IN ABEYANCE UNTIL OUR. MAIN PRESENTATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 13. IT SEEMS LIKELY THAT RONNING MAY BE UBSCJ.O11) ABOUT EMS SPEECH OF HIAY 1 (OUR PST 32 1 2). IF HE IS, ROINING SHOULD BE GUIDED BY IBTERPRGTATOCORTACII)) IN OURTEL Y-323 JI l 11C11 WAS CLEARED WITH FM. 14. IT IS UN ORTAKT THAT IN aNY EVENT, CNNG SEOUL: 10 • V.AYENNG TO KEEP OPEN THE CONTACT, MGALESS OF RESULT. }AT11 000467 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00073 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 55 - final version of Ronning instructoins, Minister's telegram Y-425 to Saigon Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10-Jun-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020938 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/dcf7b467bb2d7c04f6e9dc7710502b74.pdf 91c032e8abf7bf9bef06cb7e9cedcd77 PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Accesslo Information ActDocument divulgue en vertu ^la Loi sur l'acces a i'information a p pe n d ix 5) ) A £** P** s " [." Da’s £ 8. i * FN SAIGN JUN6/66 TSEC CDN EYE ONLY 7o" .1 . TO EXTERNL 450 EMERGENCY INFO TT WASHDC(AMB ONLY)EMERGENCY < ‘ c HXORGCTIOSCN AND-FRASER-ONLY) / IMMED DE OTT _) ) /zn * REF MYTEL 369 APR 16, YOURTEL Y115 JUN4 AllD WASHDC TEL 1564 MAY27 I VIETNA-OPERATION SHALLBRIDGE IN PREPARING A FAIR COPY FOR RONNINGS USE FRO WhAT APPEARS TO EE FINAL TEXT OF ORAL MSG(UASNDC TEL 1361 MAY10J HAVE BEEN STRUCK AGAIN BY LACK OF ANY NEW ELEMENTS;IN FACT,IT APPEARS-THAT9APART FROM QUESTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR,Z SHALL BE GOING TO HANOI WITH AN EMPTY BAG (SEE PARA 1(B) OF OUR REFTED.THIS IMPRESSION HAS BEEN REINFORCED SY MACCLOSKEYS VASHDC STATEMENT OF JUNS REPORTED HERE BY VIETNAM PRESS ACENCY,WXICH ECHOES ALL SUBSTANCE OF OUR ORAL MSG. IN FACT,HIS STATEMENT IS,I BELIEVE,VERY MUCH A REITERATION OF EARLIER o PUBLIC STATEMENTS,AND IS CONCURRENT WITH EVEN MORE DAMAGING NY TIMES REPORT OF JUNS. 2. THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE SUBSTANCE OF OUR MSG IS PERHAPS NOT- RPT NOT SO DEADLY TO THE OUTGONE OF OUR OPERATION (THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF WHICH IS A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT IN VIETNAM)AS WOULD BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE ENGAGED IN TNE OPERATION. NEVERTHELESS,FOR STATE DEPT TO MAKE PUBLIC CONDITIONS THEY ARE PRE- SENTING CONFDLY TO HANOI (THROUGH CDA AND THROUGH CHINESE IN WSAW) --OR THE OTHER WAY ROUND,TO OFFER CONFDLY THROUGHOUT ONLY (HAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PROCLAIMED PUSLICLY---RULES OUT,I CONSIDER, ANY POSSIBILITY OF A RESPONSE FRO HANOI LEADERS.THEIR AGREEMENT WOULD AMOUNT TO AN UNACCEPTABLE LOSE OF FACE. _ 3.THE AMERICANS APPEAR TO BE PUTTING HANOI BEHIND THE EIGHT-BALL ..2 000456 �Document disclosed under.the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information i PAGE TWO 450 TSEC CD'N EYES ONLY AGAIN AND TO BE ESCALATING WHAT WAS ALLEGEDLY A SERIOUS AND PRACTICAL CEASEFIRE OVERTURE INTO A PEACE OFFENSIVEEN INISCENT OF THEIR CAMPAIGN LAST JAN.YOU WILL RECALL THAT EVEN CABOT LODGE at t hat t im e po in t e d out t he fol l y of d r iv in g Ha n o i in t o a CORNER (SEE MYTEL 61 JAN28).I REMAIN CONVINCED THAT SUCH PRESSURE WILL BE COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.FURTHER,IF THESE TACTICS RAISE DOUETS IN EVEN MY MIND ABOUT AMERICAN SINCERITY,THEY WILL SURELY.CONVINCE DRVN LEADERS OF THE CORRECTNESS OF THEIR EARLIER SUSPICIONS.WE CAN THEREFORE EXPECT THEM TO WITHDRAW INTO THEIR. CORNER AND FOOLISHLY, BUT DOGGEDLY-AND STUBBCRNLY , TO CONTINUE THE WAR. 4.AS FOR OUR QUOTE SMALL BRIDGE UNQUOTEsTHERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY VALUE IN OUR TALKING TO DRVN LEADERS/EVEN IF ONLY FOR THE SAKE OF TALKING. HOWEVER, IT IS OPEN TO QUESTION HOW MANY HOPE TIMES WE SHALL BE RECEIVED IN HANOI IF WE COME ONLY AS A MOUTHPIECE TO AMERICAN PROPAGANDA.THE STATE WILL SOON BE REACHED,! FEAR,WNEN THE SINCERITY OF CDA WILL APPEAR TO HANOI TO BE AS QUESTIONABLE AS THAT OF USA. 5.WE PROBABLY HAVE NO RPT NO CHOICE BUT TO GO AHEAD WITH THE VISIT - now arranged with derations Hanoi,and I realize there are other cdn consi- WHICH MAKE'THIS DESIRABLE.IT IS ALSO A LITTLE LATE TO GO BACK TO THE AMERICANS TO SEE IF THERE IS NOT RPT NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN OFFER US WHICH WILL -RESTORE A LITTLE THE DAMAGE DONE BY THEIR BLOWING THE GAFF IN THIS WAY.I hOPE YOU WILL MAKE THE EFFORT, SUGGESTING TO THE STATE DEPT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD MODEL OF THE NECESSARY RETICENCE OFFERED BY THEIR PRESIDENT IN THE WHITL HOUSE STATEMENT OF JUN1.Wr CAN HAVE SYMPATHY WITH THEIR o • •3 000457 �2 - TO1 Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act ^cfj^^f.'divulhileen veitu de la Loi sur I'acces a i'irlfofmation ■ TO EEColIAE; USA DJIS NOT EXPECT ACCEITANCE OF TlELi PROPOSALS IN PRESENT CIRCUISTACES; AND CHANNELS OTHER THAN CHINESE ARE LEI USED TO DRAW PRCPOJAL3 TO ATTENTION OF NORTH VIETNAMESE (SEE ASlDC TEL 1647 JUNE 6). 2. ON TE OTHER HAND, AS FAR AS SUBSTANCE OF MESSAGE IS CONCERNED AND AS 1CRL HLSELF APPEARS TO RECOGNIZE, THERE IS VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO TO GET AMERICANS TO ADD NE1 ELEMENTS TO OUR PRESENTATION. I THINK WE HAVE RECOGNIZED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT }HOPOSIrO PUT TO US BY NORTH VIETIAMESE WCULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO AMRICANS III IHAT FOR! AUD IN FACT MAY HAVE CONSTITUTED INVITATI N. TO 1120 COUNTER- PROTCSITIO . WHILE, IN THEIR MESSAGE TO CHINESE, AFRICANS 11′7 INDICATED AREAS IN WHICH THEY WOULD EXPECT NORTH VISTNASE TO X CONCLSSIONS, AND WHILE IT IS NO PRETTY CLEAR THAT EOF NORTH VIETNAMESE iOTE AS REGARDS FURTHER INFILTRATION OF MEN Al SUPPLIES INTO SOUTH IS MNT1]5 AMERICANS ’VULD REGARD AS ACCEPTABLE, THEY HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN HAVING ANY ErT ANY INDICATION NORTH VIETNAMESE WOULD BE PREPARED TO GIVE AT THIS STAGE OF 'JHA? THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO CONCEDE IN RETURN FOR USA UNDERTAKING WITH RESPECT TO BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM. 3. AS REGARDS PUBLICITY WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO USA PROPOSALS WE ARE RELUCTANTLY COMPELLED TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CANNOT NOW BE REVERSED. IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IT APPEARED TO US THAT, IF UE WERE TO MAKE A MAJOR ISSUE OF-AMERICAN USE OF CHINESE CHANNEL AND PUBLICITY WHICH HAS SUBSECUENTLY BEEN GIVEN TO IT, AMERICANS MIGI!‘T SPLY SAY TV US THAT THEY COULD NOT SERIOUSLY OBJECT IF WE DECIDED HOT TO CONVEY THEIR MESSAGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE MZ FELT THAT THIS WAS LJJI.X TO CUT ACROSS CDN OBJECTIVES. • o .3 "XTI8A(/e4) 000458 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information - 3 /4 G TOP SLCRPT (CFO) ACCORDINGLY, IT IS OUR FEELING THAT, ALL TINGS CONSIDERED, WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THIS EXERCISE AND DEVELOP ITS YOTENTIAIIITES AS BEST WE CAN. TO THIS END .2 WOULD PROPOSE TO TA ADVANTAGE OF GENERAL FORNULATIOH OF IESSACE WE HAVE WORKED OUT MIT ALERICANS AS DISCUSSED IN PARA A AND 5 OF OURI1 Y-11. OF JUNE 4o WE ARE CONCERlD; HOWEVER, TO Mih SURE THAT CRANEL WE HAVE BEE! ABLE TO IZMXZ OPEN UP TO HANOI 13 NOT CLOSED AND WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ISTUCTIONS FOR RONNIIIG HICH COULD RANGE SOME DISTANCE BEYOND AREA COVERED BY USA MESSAGE. THESE INSTRUCTIONS WI1I GO FORWARD TO YOJ TCR MINISTERS APPROVAL WITHIN NEXT T:0 OR THiLE DAYS &. 000459 V �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE 450 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY DOMESTIC CONSIDERATIONS ,BUT IT WOULD SURELY BE IN THEIR DOMESTIC INTEREST TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM WITH A CEASEFIREPRATHER THAN TO EXACERBATE IT WITH PROPAGANDA WHICH CAN ONLY TEMPORARILY ALLEVIATE THEIR DOMESTIC DIFFICULTIES MOORE 6 000460 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a I'information fil9 diary APPENDIX 54 A/MCC/ (5 st a8a"ss Lo FILE /DCSNR DATE TO/AAMEEISGROTRNDUEOY) INFO “• JU) 6/60 Dr EXT OTT SEC CECUN i NO PReCstite: Y-105 OP]:3ED WASIINC (AMBASSADOR ONLY), SAIGON (CONISSIONER ONLY) HKONG (THOMPSON & FRASER ONLY) BE SAIGON TEL 4,50 JUNE 6 SUA/SU. VIETNAM - OPERATION SlALLBRIDGE CONSIDERATIONS SET OUT IN MOORE’S TELECRAM NAVE BEEN VZRY MICH IN OUR MIND. IN PARTICULAR WE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED THAT (A) CHINESE CHANNEL WAS USED FOR CONVEYING THIS PARTICULAR MESSAGE TO NORTH VINNAMLSE IK VI! DF FACT THAT CHINESE LASL LIKELY TO EE ENCUJRGING AFX X1ND OF PEACEFUL ACCOMODATION IN VIETNAM; (B) A MESSAGE ON THESE LINES NAS ADDRESSED TO NORTH VIETalss THROUGH A SECOND CHANNEL IN RESPONSE TO PROIOSITION MUCH NAS FiR I CCKVEYL TO USA THROUGH CUE CHANNEL ON HIGHLY COEIDENTIAL BASIS AND IN CIRCUMSTANCES HERE RESPONSE HAD ALREADY BEEN PREPARED FOR DISCUSSION VITA NORTH VIETNAMESE BY RONNING; .(C) FULL PUBLICITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO USA PROPOSALS WITH ACCENT ON A NUNBER OF FEATURE WICM ARE LIKELY TO RUIN RISK OF TOTAL REJECTION BY HANOI, I.E» USA PROPOSALS ARE NOT HE:/; THEY AE BEING FOR LATD OK BASIS OF INDICATIONS OF DIVISIONS Ji BOTH PEXING AND HANOI; THEY ARE BASED CN ASSUMPTION THAT POINT KILL COLL EN NORTH VIETR. 1L1 BE COnPEILED rG YIELD 70 PiSRUE ON BOMBING BY INDICATING ttbHgEES4 • DISTRIBUTION 10 STD AL/LOCALE ORiGINATOR/REDACTEU.2 SIG.. K. Gold sch la /ch ....... 1220pm* ***! !** !**e 7......... DIVISION FAR ES1 TELEPN: 2-2991 3 * 0 /• • | _EDC* R. Et. CoLti. SIG.......................................... 000461 " T18/B1L (Rrv 0/cc) � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00072 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 54 - telegrams 450 from Saigon and Ottawa telegram Y-405 to Brussels Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 06-Jun-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020937 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/93dd7eb8d5ec377da6cd5857dc720827.pdf b4b6af3a469db3cf06d185f1e416e8f8 PDF Text Text Far , aslrn ‘IV . Document disclosed undet; . Access to Information Act saol / n • :dcumentGivelguelen vertJd^'fa'Loi sur l'acces a I'information Hr.Goldschla. i . . 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00071 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 53 - final text of the document Ronning based his presentation on in Hanoi Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource ? Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020936 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/0ab7059dcaead3579ebd3c37472b9fd5.pdf 86d975e0b33475d7014488b77e6f78f1 PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act ‘ Document divulgue eh vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a I'information APPENDIX 52 SE U JU . $ AID-IMCIRs 1. Everybody knows that the deep root and the immediate cause of the present serious situation in Viet Name lie in the U.S. policy of intervention and aggression.' At present, the U.S. Government keeps' sending more U.S. and satellite troops to South Viet sam in an attempt to intensify and expand its ■war of aggression there. At the same time, it is . frenzicdly "escalating" its air war against the Democratic Republic of Viet Ram, daily committing countless crimes against the Vietnamese people. So far, it has refused to recognize the four point stand of the Government■of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam and to recognise the South Viet Nam National Front for Liberation as the sole genuine representative of the people of South Viet Nam. It is obvious that the U.S. policy of aggression vis-a-vis Viet Nam remains unchanged. 2. The Government of the Democratic Re public of Viet 7am once again affirms that if the U.S. Government raa11, desires a peaceful settlement, it must recognize the four-point stand of the D.R.V. veDnt, grove this by actual deeds: it nue 2 00—. 000450 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information P announce a definitive and unconditional end to its / air raids and all other acts of war against the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam. Only then will it be possible to envisage a political solution to the Viet Nam problem. 3. According to recent reports from Western news agencies, on May 2, 1966, the Canadian Prime Minister came out with a proposal on measure for a settlement of the Viet Nam problem. It is to be regretted that this proposal conforms neither to the fundamental provisions of the 1934 Geneva Agreements on Viet Nam, nor to the actual situation in Viet Nam. It makes no distinction between the United States which is the aggressor, and the Vietnamese people who are the a victims of aggression fighting in self-defence. It does not meet the four-point stand of the D.R.V. Government . 4o However, out of good will, we consider that Mr. Ronning’s visit to Hanoi may be agreed to as proposed by the Canadian Government. The timing of the visit will be intimated in due course. Hanoi May 21, 1966. 000451 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00070 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 52 - copy of the text of the Aide Memoire from North Vietnamese government Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 21-May-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020935 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/a39952a9eddc8105cd8da1d5e8d2aa59.pdf 0919728743ce4de03783a1b2cdd2d2e8 PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur Uacces a /'information APPENDIX 51 ======.=== o) 0722 "C/ Ts 2 /N 5%P 5 T 24 I c i' ACTION COPY Fii JAShDC KAR21/56 TOP SECHET TO EXTERJAL S55 IiAD INFO TT SAIGK(COMISSIONER ONLY)PRIORITY DE CTT . VIZTNAM--RONI. A031N6 HAD TWO-HOUR DISCUSSION OF HIS TRIP La ST NIGHT WITH BUNDY, ASSTSEC FOR FAREASTERN AFFAIRS,AT Y RESIDENCE.SUNDY LISTENED TO ROANINGS ACCOUNT WITH GREAT INTEREST, A ND HAD FULL NOTES TAKEN 3Y AN ASSTo 20 AFTER DESCRISING HIS VARIOUS INTERVIEWS IN Sa IGN AND GENERAL ATnOS- PHERZ OF HIS RECEPTION IN HANOI,50133 OUTLINED CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH HE WAS SUCCESSIVELY RECEIVED AT SHORT NOTICE. BY VARIOUS NORTH DIGNITARIES CULMINATING WITH PREMIER PHAM VAN CONG.HE VINTNAHE INDICATED THAI DRV: VICE FOREIGN MINISTER HAD TAKEN COMPLETELY HARD LINE ALL THROUGH INTERVIEW AND HAD SEEN SITTER AND ALMOST ABUSIVE IN HIS .COMMENTS.FOREIGN MINISTER HAD LIKEWIs ADOPTED ENTIRELY RIGID AND UNCOMPROMISING LINE.ICC LIAISON OFFICER COL HA VAN LAU HAD DI3PLAYED SAME RIGID ATTITUDE:CONTIJUED PRESENCE OF ICC INCLUDING CD:3 WAS EESIRED SUT DRVN DID NOT RPT NOT LIKE ALL THAT CONS DID; IT WAS TO SE HOPED THAT COISSIO: WOULD REACH ONLY QUOTE GOOD UNQUOTE DECiSIOJS;JO RPT NO DECISIONS WERE PREFERABLE TO BAD ONES.RONNING STRESSED 3LACK AND WHITE TONES(TERMS SUCH A5 QUOTE CORRECT UNQUOTE AND QUOTE INCORRECT UNQUOTE) IN WHICH NORTH VIETNAMESE SEEMED TO 3. ALL ISb UEb . 5.Pnn. Vm.J JO.13 bPOKL I.3 LJer K£Y AD US2i L- 33 FANATICAL LawolAo. T nad iilS usO.DITss,:UT AL.JsT TO 2D OF IT2:VIEs HE TOOK alali STaIC_ AS Th_Y HD DONE. HE Trz.i STARTED TO 2/ ( OUsnATE 0666 \N Dake ) .( %// 2 0.2 000444 �L Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de’ la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PaGZ TJO )EW DUERY hat a 33 , pe r h a p 5 b Y PKE-ARANGEWENT, 1. RESPONSE t o RoANINGs r pt d S TO WHETHER HE HAD ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO CONVEY.PRLIER THEN ISICATD THAT DRV. WOULD 52 PREPARED TO HAVE TALKS IF USA DECLARED THAT IT WOULD STOP -011.3 UNCONDITIONALLY AND FOR GOOD; HE EITERATES THIS AT KCaI.GS Rb OUb b Tj AND AGRELD TO AsCOnD IT IN AIDZ-AM0IR2(EICh JAS >UsSM2UETLY JOT RPT NOTPKOVIDED ON PRETEXT THAT THERE RAD BEEN ISUNBZASTANDING AND THAT P. HAD BEEN SPEAK ING OF FINAL COuUI2JE). A.b Ub DY ASKED WHETHER PN h a d ALSO m e n t io n e d n e c e s s it y o f a n y a c t io n bY USA IN' SOUTH ALO. WIIH Cl b b ATIOJ Or BOrs Ind Or NOnTHo KO JN ING STAS32L THAT PREMIER HAD ANSWERED I.J NEGATIVE WHEN RONIo ENQUIRED WATHE ANYTHING IN SOUTH WAS INVOLVED AS PRECONDITION FOR TALKS. 5.K0NNINE ENT ON TO SAY THAT PREMIER THEN STARTED TO HEDGE. PA. Va n DOJs SAID HE HAD HAD TALK LIKE THIb WITH VERY FEW ALTHOUGH PREVIOUSLY HE HAD IMPLIED THAT HIS STATEMENT WAS NOTHING GORE THAN HAD ALREADY BEEN s a id IN DRV: FOREIGN iINISTRY s t a t e m e n t JA4. of BUDY COAMENTED THAT LINK BETWEEN DKVN FOUR POINTS AND DECLARATION OF CESSATION OF BOHb ING WAS AMBIGUOUS IN JA14 STATEMENT AND ALSO IN . J A 024 LET TO HEADS OF GOVT;IT COULD CONCEIVABLY DE ARGUED,IF CLRTAIN PUCTUATI0. OF AS ACCEPTED,THAT THERE WAS A HINT THAT ISSUANCE CLARa TION ON 30:IA3 WOULD IMPLY Al ACCEPTANCE OF THE. FOUR POINTS 5. RON IN SA ID. THAT IT WAS CLEAN i HAT PM ISn2D HI TO CARRY AWAY IP525510.7 TiinT CESSATION OF SOb b ING WAS THE ONLY PReni OU ISITs; FOUa POINTS WOULD APPARENTLY bE OUEbTIOJ FOR DIbCUSbION 1 ...3 000445 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information A:t Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'inform ition 2 4G5 THREE 338 CO.FRENCBPREIER INDICATED THAT HE WOULD APPRECIATE CDA USING ITS GOOD OFFICs TO CONVEY DRV. PO51T10. TO USA,BUT THAT DECAUDE OF PREVIOUS EMBARRASSMENTS DRVN AS VERY ANXIOUS TO HAVE EXCHANGE KPT ABSOLUTELY SECRET.PH SAID THAT ERVS WAS ANXIOUS THAT THIS CHANNEL >H0ULE 3Z KEPT OPES, AJD THAT QUOTE WE WILL LOOK UTO ATT I- TUBE OF USA WITH ALL UNzRTABIS UNUOTEe 7 . ni ONNI 3 SAID THAT HE HAD STRASSEL TO P.1 ThAT CDA JAS JOT KPT 0T ATTEMPTING TO MEDIATE. IT JAS IN ORDER TO AVOID CREATING IMPRESSION OF EDIATINS THAT RONING HAD REFRAINED FROM SEEKING ANY MODIFICA- TIO: OF THE COITIO. FOa START US TALKSDUHING COVEASATION3 IN HANO I RONNING CONCENTRATED OS POUT THAT CDA,AS CLOSE AZIGHSOUR AJD FFI OF U^A,FSLT THAT PRESIDENT JOHNSONS >TATZENTSCEG ASOUT eVA wT JL IinhAWAL A. AtDMCs Or USA DIna r Oh B a Si 3) Co ULL Aii SHOULD BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. STRONG USA OF USS SHOULD NOT RPT NOT EQUATED WITH WEAK FAACEOF 1954.SRVA SHOULD APPROACH SITUA- TIO. WITH GREATER REALISM. 8.RONNING Sa id THAT DRV. LEADERS-REMINDED h u r pt d l y t h a t EXPECTED HAM0I AND HAIPHONG WOULD DE EOXBED THEY UT THAT DRVN AS PhUARU AGRICL COUNTRY COULD WITHSTAD THIS ASSAULT.AONNIG ENCOURAGED THE TO BELIEVE THAT USA TROOPS IS SOUTH WOULD INCREASE TO 400000(AS hzbICIij Y The)OR MORi. .DhV: LEADLAS PROFLSSED SOT HPT SOT TO ATlACH TOO JCH PRACTICAL I.IPORTANCE TO SUO-UVILT IDEOLOGICAL DISPUTE, AJD Tr.EY WERE THOROUGHLY EVEJ-HAa OED IS THEIR TAEAT2NT OF USSR AND' CHINAThEY SA ID CHOU -LHI WOULD HAD Calsom DEL TO CPSU COJuhroS-. © 0 • 4 000446 �Document disclosed under1 the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'informatioh AGE FOUR 030 lOoHONNING SU.AKIZED HIS PERSONAL INTERPRETAT ION OF TALK WITH PniIEh AS FOLLOWS.PHAN VAN DONG CONVEYED IMPRESSION THAT HIS BASI POINT AsOUT UNCOiD IT 10 AL CEsSATlOi OF OF 03 ING HAD BELi FIoHED OUT ld,BUT THIS NAY WELL HAVE SEEN DELIBERATE TACTIC,CONING AT END OF SUCCESSION OF ITEKVIS DURING WHICH DRVN SOUGHT TO EXPLORE ONNINGS sAILF BY HOLDING TO HARD LIN.RONING STRESSED THAT HE MIGHT BE ENTIRELY FONG IN CONCLUDING THAT DRVN WAS SPARATIG BOMBING ISSUE FRO. FOUR POINTS,BUT THIS WAS UNDOUBTEDLY IMPRESSION PHAN VAN DONG SOUGHT TO CREATE.KO.I:G THOUGHT IT WAS SIGNIFICANT THAT DRVN DISPLAYED DESIRE TO KEEP CHANNEL OPEN 113UNDY INDICATED GREAT INTEREST IN ALL ASPECTS OF RONNINGS CONVEn- SAT IONS IN HANOI. Na t u r e o f h is q u e s t io n s c o n f ir m e d t hat he ful l y UNDERSTOOD POSSIBLE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT HAD SEEN SAID TO KONNINdo HE WAS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED TO ESTABLISH WHETHER PHAN VAN DONG, IN ^RINGING UP OUESTIO. OF USA DECLARATION ON DOlE ING, HAD STIPULATED ANY. OTHER CONDITION IN THIS CONTEXT SUCH AS DEESCALATION IN SOUTH, PRIOR USA WITHDRAWAL,OR POSITION OF VC IN NEGOTIATIONS.RONN ING REPLIED IN NEGATIVE. 12.DUNDY THOUGHT IT LOGICAL THAT COMMUNISTS WOULD SEEK TO ESTABLISH ONTACT WITH THEIR ENEMY THROUGH A CLOSE ASSOCIATE OF THAT ENEMY; THEY ALMOST ALWAYS PREFERRED TALKING TO AN AVOWED FOE THAN TO 5020.2 IN MIDDLE. INDIANS JAR AND YUGOoLAVSCLATTER DESPISED oY DRVWEnE THEREFORE UNLIKELY TO HAVE AivY REAL HOLE TO PLAY. oUNDY WONDERED IF PHAN VAN SONG HAD-SPECIFICALLY ASKED RONNING TO RETURN,TO WHICH AaI. =AIL 1 HAT DnV. #As ALLY ANKUUd i HAT Cud C HH NsL (no f Har THAN ANY ONE PEKSOALITY) SHOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE. seo 000447 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PASA FIV- 55 3 13.2UNDY INDICATED Th a t RONI.Gs ACCOUNT, INCLUSI. WRITTEN SUAAKY WHICh WE Ph 0 V 13 = , s 0 ULD da AD siI-) s I r H a RzAT JLLItnIIu i H.liJ C A ne s E CONVEYED LIPRESSION THAT A0 HPT NJ PRECISELY SIMILAR SIGNALS HAD REACHED USA THROUGH OTHER SOURCES. 14.UY HIMSELF AAIARK-D THAT I i PL I Ch T10 Ho Or AOsAIdds ih La S CO.STITUTED HARE CARDS TO PLAY,AND I SHOULD ThIsK THAT USA ATHOAI- TIES '.-’ILL A T TO GIVE hOLEPROLEi VERY CAKsFUL TUDY d EFORI BCIIG OR AMY REACTION RITCHIE t s. C1 000448 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00069 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 51 - text of Wasihngton telegram 838 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 21-Mar-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020934 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/8c2474f2e2c5b593ef6ff23c5fa17a8f.pdf 4e630c58b13e43c4cec0aa33fff091a8 PDF Text Text , Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act 9 Docum^t^-jui^L^ ETff" d^qj-oj^utl'^^/sSZ‘2103410D) /: .. APPINDIX 50 Cop 12, 3 of5c0p1es .TT HOLB TO? sron.dAR 2 1 1963 SLcul Vet L._ Accompanied by Mr.V. C. Moore, Canadian Commissioner, I.c.S.C., Mr. Chester Ronning visited Hanoi from March 7 to 11, as a Special Representative of the Canadian Government. Mr. Ronning’s instructions were to present Prime Minister Pearson’s reply to Ho Ch1 Unh's letter of January 24, and to discuss with the North Vietnamese authorities the conditions in which they would envisage a negotiated settlement in Vietnam, including the possibility of the International Commission playing a helpful good offices role in bringing about or facilitating such negotiations. His primary objective was to obtain, if possible, authoritative clarification of the conditions enunciated by the Ikmol as required elements in a negotiated settlement. . Ronning was received by, and had discussions with. Vice Foreign Minister Nguyen Co hach. Foreign Minister liguyen Duy Trinh, Col. Ha Van Lau, Chief of the PAVII Hission in charge of liaison with the I.C.S.C., and, on the last day of the visit. Prime Minister Phan Van Dong. This final interview lasted for two hours. . All the diccussions were tarked, on the North Viet-1 namese side, by repeated emphasis on the necessary acceptance of the "Four Points” as the only basis on which a peaceful settlement could be approached, and by an apparent uncompromising belief in the ultimate "victory" of their cause. 000440 �I . Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a i’information I ■ TOP SECRT2 •2- COnlQ. 3005 02210 The early part of the intervici with Pham Van Dong -revealed these came obdurate attitudes, and seemed to suggest that there would be no deviation by the Prime Minister from the determined, confident, hardeline approach registered by the others in previous discussions. Towards the end of the interview, however, and under persistent questioning by Ronning about the conditions Hanoi would require to have met before entering into direct or indirect talks with the U.SeAep s the Primo inister gave the following indications North Vietnamese willingness to enter into some fora of preliminary contact hinges on a commitment by the U.S.A, to cease "bombing and all acts of war against north Vietnau" "unconditionally and for good". / In reply to questioning he made it ele-ar that this condition was limited to Morth Vietnamese territory and did not encompass U.S. military activity in the South. It was not clear whether the commitment envisaged by Pham Van Dong was to be given publicly, or diplomatically. (The translator used the term “declaration”.) Furthermore, while Pham Van Pong conveyed tho impression that HanoL’s. response to such a move by the U.S.A, would load to negotiating contacts, he gave no clarification of whether he envisaged these as being direct or indirect. He said: position includes many aspects. "In fact, our In brief, we can say that informal talks and a cessation of attache against lorth Vietnam go together." 000441 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act • Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information Coo Q- 3.22.5.002222 =3= 202.210322 . |I He did intimate, however, that he was soliciting 2 U.S. response, and a further exchange with the U.Sehe through Canadian channels. "For our part", Pham Van Dong said, “we will, look into the attitude of the U.S.., and with all und erst a nd ing *" It was agreed that what had been said to Ronning would be conveyed to the U.S.R., as a Canadian understanding of the North Vietnamese position, and not on the basis of a request by north Vietnam to do so® It was also understood that Canada was not volunteering to act as a mediator. Emphasis was laid on the importance of absolute secrecy in any exchange that might develop from Ronning’s discussions® Earlier feelers had become public and the North Vietnamese had been forced to issue a denial I • I 000442 ’I � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00068 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 50 - actual text of "piece of paper" summary of North Vietnam meeting Roning took to Washington Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 21-Mar-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020933 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/25cec762c9c897cfdbca17825f599938.pdf bf142583f0be25d39fd4ae0861605c90 PDF Text Text ACTION G ^^eWdisclosed uhd^tife Across to Information Act *nt d^ulgue en vertute^tfsur Kac^s a^fcjrmatio^ Bupavinbl/#h 24 i v Al . C Cyy - (/ / 057 • APPFIDIX 49 FM SAIGN MAR11/66 TSIC CDN EYES ONLY TO EXTERNAL 134 EMERGENCY • REF OURTEL 173 MAR11 VIETN AM- OPE RATI ON S* ALL 3R IDGE FOLLOWING FR0M SMALLSRIDGE: YESTERDAY ON LAST DAY IM HANOI PM PHAN VAN DONG RECEIVED NE ACCOMPANIED BY MOOR5, INTERVIE! LASTED TWO HOURS DURING WHICH PM MADE FRANK STATEMENT OF WCOMPROISING ATTITUDE OF DRVN TO USA AND THEIR 9UOTE PUPPETS IN SVN UN- QUOTE, THIS WAS IN REPLY TO MY OUTLINE OF PURPOSE OF VISIT. BEFORE END OF INTERVIE’ HE STATED CONDITION WHICH'IF ACCEPTED BY USA, COULD RESULT IN NEGOTIATIONS. IN PRESENT WORDING IT WOULD BE I!N‘ACCEPTABLE BUT IT DOES INDICATE ISSUE WHICH DRVN CONSIDERS MOST IMPORTANT-CESSATION OF BOMBING AND ALL ACTS OF WAR AGAINST NVNI. 2. ALTHOUGH PM PROMISED AT ONE POINT HE WOULD GIVE US AIDE-MEMOIRE WITH EXACT WORDING OF CONDITION, THIS OFFER WAS SUBSEQUENTLY IT-DRAWN. REASON MAY BE THAT IN TRANSMITTING OFFER TO USA, CDA COULD PHRASE PROPOSAL IN MORE ACCEPTABLE TERMS. PM EXPRESSED' HOPE THAT CONTACTS BETWEEN CDA AND DRVN WOULD REMAIN OPEN, INDICATING THEY DESIRE REDLY. IT IS SIGNIFICANT THAT AS RESULT OF QUESTIONING DM RPTD THAT CONDITION IN NO RPT NO WAY APPLIED TO CESSATION OF USA MILITARY ACTION INSV‘,VER3ATI” REPORT OF DIALOGUE WILL BE SENT t BY TEL. 3. IN REPLYING TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ALONG LINES OF YOUR TEL Y2 35 MAR3 THE PA STATED THAT ON ACCEPTANCE OF ONE CONDITION ONLY DRVN COULD C O** RM QR N F^QT I AT I ON S. HE DID NOT RPT NOT STATE WHETHER THIS "OIL BE DIRECT OR INDIRECT. BEFORE DIRECT TALKS CA" TAKE PLACE' | *102 / . V « S I V 000412 i. .fV / �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE TWO 184 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY HE WOULD PREFER FURTHER EXCHANGE WITH USA USING CDA AS GOBETCE’T THE CONDITION OUTLINED BY HIM WAS THAT THE USA QUOTE MUST "AVS AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION THAT IT ILL UNCONDITIONALLY STOP FOE GOOP ALL MILITARY OPERATIONS AGAINST TERRITORY OF NUN UNQUOTE.AFTER FURTHER QUESTIONING, HE AGREED THAT THE CESSATION OF MILITARY ACTIVITY WOULD 'BE LIMITED TO NVN AND DID NOT RPT NOT INCLUDE DEMAND FOR CESSATION OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST NILF IN SVN,THIS CONDITION MAY PROVIDE A BASIS FOR A COUNTER PROPOSAL WHICH NIGHT EVENTUALLY ENABLE THE USA TO HAVE INFORMAL TALES WITH THE DRVN,PM SAID THAT HE QUOTE WOULD LOOK INTO THE ATTITUDE OF USA REPLY WITH ALL UNDERSTANDING UNQUOTE. 4. PM SEEMED VERY ANXIOUS THAT CDN GOVT SHOULD CONVEY THIS PROPOSAL TO GOVT OF USA BUT HE ADDED QUOTE PLEASE DO NOT RPT NOT REVEAL THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO CONVEY THIS MSG UNQUOTE. IN REPLY I SAID THAT WE ALSO DO NOT RPT NOT WISH TO HAVE IT ASSUMED THAT WE HAVE OFFERED TO MEDIATE. HE EXPLAINED THAT quot e pr e v io u s unfor t una t e e x pe r ie n c e s WITH OTHER MISSIONS UNQUOTE MADE IT NECESSARY FOR HI* TO BE CAREFUL. 5.I MADE IT CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE CROSS QUESTIONING ALONG LINES OF YOURTEL Y275.MAR3 THAT OUR ONLY PURPOSE WAS TO OBTAIN CLARIFICATION OF ATTITUDE OF DRVN IN HOPES OF FINDING SOME POINT WHERE THERE COULD BE A MTG OF MINDS WHICH MIGHT WARRANT PRELIMINARY INFOR*'AL TALKS IN ADVANCE OF NEGOTIATIONS ON MAJOR ISSUES SUCH AS SEATING OF NLF AND WITHDRAWAL OF AMERICAN TROOPS FROM VIETNAM. S.DM SAID HE HOPED THAT CDA WOULD USE ITS GOOD OFFICES. BECAUSE AIM OF HIS GOVT WAS PEACE.HE ADDED nUOTE WE DO NOT RPT NOT WANT WAR AND WE KNOW ITS RESULTS FROM TWENTY YEARS EXPERIENCE UNQUOTE. . ..3 000413 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE 184 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY THIS STATEMENT NAS NOT RPT .NOT IN KEEPING WITH HIS EARLIER BOMBASTIC DEFIANCE OF USA AND HIS UNREASONABLE ANALYSIS OF THE AMERICAN MILITARY AND POLITICAL OBJECTIVES IN VIETNAM WHICH HE HAD SAID c a l l ed for a m il it a r y DEFEAT. 7.I SAID THAT ICC PROVIDED THE ONLY EXISTING INTERNATL CHANNEL BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH. HE COULD BE ASSURED THAT IF HE HAD ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY REGARDING CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH DRVN 'WOULD BE PREPARED TO START DIRECT OR INDIRECT TALKS WITH USA THAT MOORE AND CDN PERMREP KERFOOT IN HANOI WOULD ALWAYS BE READY TO FORWARD ANY PROPOSALS TO OTT.I REFERRED TO SOUNDINGS WHICH CDA HAS BEEN MAKING ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF USING INTERNATL COMMISSION AS A CHANNEL WHENEVER INDIA AND POLAND AGREED TO JOIN CDA WITH A VIEW TO TALKS LEADING TO A CEASEFIRE-N ATURALLY LEAVING THE QUESTION OF AN ULTIMATE CONFERENCE IN THE HANDS OF THE COCHAIRMAN. S. IN CONCLUSION PM ASKED ME TO CONVEY TO CDN GOVT THE SINCERE APPRECIATION OF PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH AND GOVT OF DRVN FOR THE GOODWILL AND GOOD INTENTIONS OF CDN GOVT.HE ASKED THAT "R PEARSON BE TOLD QUOTE THAT DRVN DOES WISH CDN GOVT TO BRING ITS GOOD CONTRIBUTION (OFFICES)TO THIS PROBLEM AND IN THIS SPIRIT TO CONTINUE THIS EXCHANGE IN FUTURE' UNQUOTE. 9.AFTER THE PREVIOUS LENGTHY INTERVIEWS WITH THE VICE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS,THE FOREIGN MINISTER AND HA VAN LAU,EACH OF ''’HIGH LASTED -ONE AND A HALF TO TWO HO'JRS,I HAD CONCLUDED THAT WE WOULD BE GIVEN NO RPT NO INDICATION WHATEVER THAT THERE WAS ANY INTENTION OF DEVIATING FROM ...A t he HARDLINE OF DETERMINATION TO FIGHT ON FOR 000414 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a i'information ( PAGE FOUR 184 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY CERTAIN MILITARY VICTORY.THEY RPTDLY STATED QUOTE THAT THE GREATER THE ESCALATION OF USA TROOPS,THE GREATER WOULD'BE THE ULTIMATE VICTORY UNOUOTE.AS EVIDENCE’ OF THEIR FUTURE SUCCESS THEY BOASTED ABOUT QUOTE THE VICTORY WHICH HAD ALREADY’ BEEN WON OVER THE USA FORCES BY NLF IN SVN UNQUOTE 13. UNTIL NEAR .THE END OF THE INTERVIEW WITH THE PM YESTERDAY, I STILL FEARED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO RPT NO YIELDING OF THE RIGID DOGMATIC DRVN POSITION AND WAS SURPRISED AT THIS EVEN VERY SLIGHT GLIMMER OF HOPE WHICH PM GAVE AS A RESULT OF PERSISTENT QUESTIONING ABOUT ANY QUALIFICATIONS WHICH THEY ‘OULD “AYE LEADING TO DIRECTOR INDIRECT TALKS WITH AMERICANS. HE HAD EMPHASIZED THAT THE FOUR POINTS CONSTITUTED THE IRREDUCIBLE MINIMUM CONDITIONS THAT USA MUST ACCEPT UNCONDITIONALLY.IN THE LATTER PART OF OUR INTERVIEW,HOWEVER,HIS ATTITUDE AND LANGUAGE WERE GREATLY MODIFIED AND HE RPTEDLY EXPRESSED THE HOPE THAT CDA WOULD MAYE t ■ .-- —----------------------------------- - .tt- . * "v.. AVAILABLE ITS GOOD OFFICES.IN OFFERING HIS CONDITIONS HE SAID THAT THEY HAD ALREADY SUGGESTED A SIMILAR OFFER IN THE JANA FOREIGN U— ~i rd uls —---- ----------------------------- :------ - ----------- ------ - 11 tv** M INISTRYS STATEMENT. HE EMPHASIZED THAT HIS PRESENT OFFER DID NOTtl’i.. .3 RPT NOT INCLUDE ANY CONDITIONS ABOUT MILITARY ACTIVITY IN THE SOUTH AND THAT HE HOPED IT NIGHT BE USED BY CDA TO I J .4* A ‘1’6 THE USA UNQUOTE.HIS CLARIFICATION WAS IN RESPONSE TO NY STATEMENT THAT THERE WAS NO RPT NO POINT IN ASKING CDA TO PERSUADE THE USA TO DO ANYTHING UNLESS DRVN IAS PREPARED TO MAKE SOME CONCESSION. 11.IN PREVIOUS INTERVIEWS I HAD NOT RPT NOT USED A STATEMENT MADE BY AVERILL HARRIMAN TO RITCHIE AND NE IN "ASHDC.WITHC’T QUOTING HIM, HOWEVER,I STATED TO PM THAT CDA KNEW THAT USA WAS PREPARED .5 , H v: y*Y i.* UOTE PERSUADE , 1. ul’ 000415 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FIVE ISA TSEC CDN EYES ONLY TO HAVE DIRECTOR INDIRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH DRVN AT ANY TIE, AT ANY PLACE AND ON ANY SUBJECT PROPOSED BY DRVM. IT NAY HAVE BEEN THIS STATEMENT THAT E IN ALLY PERSUADED HIM TO SLIGHTLY MODIFY HIS CONDITIONS. I MADE NO RPT NO REF TO HARRIMAN STATEMENT THAT USA w a s PREPARED TO HAVE THESE TALKS WITHOUT PRESENCE OF SVN BECAUSE I HAD TAKEN LINE THROUGHOUT ALL INTERVIES THAT AS NEIGHBOUR AND GOOD FRIEND OF THE USA WE WERE IN A POSITION ONLY TO CLARIFY AMERICA! POSITION.WHEN P STATED THAT HE DID NOT RPT NOT WANT TO BE PUT IN POSITION OF HAVING ASKED US TO CONVEY THIS MSG TO USA,I ASSURED HIM THAT IT MUST BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAD NOT RPT NOT VOLUNTEERED TO CARRY ANY MSGS. TO PROTECT OUR POSITIONS,THEREFORE, WE WOULD SAY NOTHING TO PRESS AND WOULD CARRY OUT THIS EXCHANGE IN COMPLETE SECRECY. 12.PHAMVAN DONG SAID QUOTE THAT THE TALK I AM HAVING TODAY IS ONE I HAVE NOT RPT NOT HAD WITH MANY PEOPLE UNQUOTE, ON THE PROSPECTS OF OUR GOOD OFFICES, HE SAID QUOTE MAYBE TODAYS TALK WILL BRING NO RPT. NO RESULTS;MAYBE ON YOUR RETURN MR PEARSON AND MR "ARTIN W ILL NOT RPT MOT—SUCCEDI_PERSU A DING THE AM ERICANS. BUT IF N OT RPT NOT WITH A LAUGH,CONE AGAIN AND TRY ANOTHER TI’E UNQUOTE. HE ASSURED COMMISSIONER MOORE HE WOULD 3E RECEIVED AT ANY TIME 13. AT THE COMMISSIONERS RECEPTION IN MY HONOUR. THAT AFTERNOON, THE VICE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, SPEAKING SEPARATELY TO MOORE AND wr,REITERATED THE IMPORTANCE OF SECRECY. OTHER FEELERS,HE SAID,HAD BEC WE PU3LIC,AND THE DRVN HAD osS 000416 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE SIX 184 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY HAD NORPT NO CHOICE BUT TO ISSUE A DENIAL. HE URGED THAT ‘E AVOID SUCH A SETBACK. PUBLICITY WOULD BE EMBARRASSING TO DRVN AND DEADLY FOR THE RESULTS OF THE INITIATIVE. TOLD HIN WE WOULD DO OUR BEST. THE SERIOUSNESS WHICH DRVN ATTACH TO THE REQUISITE RETICENCE IS, WE BELIEVE, INDICATED BY THEIR SPARSELY WORDED PRESS RELEASE (OURTEL 17 9 OF MAR11). 14.THE HOSPITALITY EXTENDED TO NE AS A STATE GUEST WAS. CORDIAL AND EVERY EFFORT WAS MADE TO MAKE NY STAY PLEASANT RPT PLEASANT. ESPECIALLY THE PM WELCOMED ME ‘ARMLY AND ACCEPTED ME AS A QUOTE CDN REP OF GOOD WILL UNQUOTE.HE EMPHASIZED THAT HE KNEW MR PEARSON. AND NR MARTIN WERE QUOTE MEN OF. GOOD WILL UNQUOTE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ATTITUDE NAY HAVE BEEN CHIEFLY BECAUSE PHAM VAN DONG HOPES CDA CAN HELD TO BRING ABOUT PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS. 15.NOORE HAD DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PREPARING THE WAY FOR THE VISIT TO HANOI. 000417 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act n pooHmentdivulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I’acces a I'information "SAQRR Stgitne T •• U 8588======= / COPY -Z OF EIGHT 42 RM SAIGON *4214/55 TSEC CDM EYES ONLY "" TO EXTERMALC ONLY) 139 EMERGENCY REF OURTEL IES KAR 12 X 20 52. V f _ ,T OPERATION SMALL3RIDGE DISCUSSION WITH DRVN PM, 2S . 3 3- 1C. 30, VARI 3. FOLLOWING COISSIONER: DISCUSSION BETWEEN SALLBRIDSE AND PM PHAN VAN DONG WAS THE CULMINATION FOR BOTH SIDES.IT WAS PRECEDED BY PRELIMINARY TALKS WITH VICE MINISTER OF FOREIG AFFAIRS NGUYEN CO THACH, FOREIGN MINISTER NGUYEN DUY TRINH AND COL 1A VAV LW, ALL OF WHICH WERE TAKEN DOWN VERBATIM AND DOUBTLESS TRANSMITTED TO THE PM TO PREPARE HI”.THESE WERE SUPPLEMENTED BY INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS,EG AT DINNER GIVEN BY THACH.THE LETTER IN REPLY TO HO CHI YIlHS "SG WAS LEFT WITH THE FOREIGN MINISTER.AS USUAL,THE SUBSTANTIVE PART. OF THE INTERVIEWS WAS IN VIETNAMESE AND ENGLISH,INTERPRETED.THE DIS- CUSSION WITH THE PM WAS ALSO RECORDED VERBATIM BY OUR HOSTS. 2.THE PM, ACC 0‘PAN I ED BY LE TAM DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR SOTHA"ERI IN THE FOREIGN MINISTRY MET S ALLBRIDGE AND MOORE AT THE HEAD OF \ THE. STEPS OUTSIDE INDEPENDENCE PALACE. PHOTOGRAPHS JERE TAXEN OUTSIDE AND AGAIN IN THE PMS RECEPTION CHAMBER. TEA' WAS SERVED. A INTERPRETER SCRIBE ’'.'ERE ALSO PRESENT. 3.THE FOLLOWING PARAS ARE Am APPROXIMATELY VERBATI* RECORD OF l THE DISCUSSION-FROM MY NOTES. 1 4. YOU ARE MELCO"E. \ Rm ALLBRIDGE 5.THANK YOU FOR ARRANGING FOR WE TO SEE YOU, AND FOR THE VISITS ‘‘ 1 3112 900 6 000418 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information I PAGE TWO 189 TSEC ARRANGED FOR ME EARLIER.AS YOU Y‘1O‘ FROM NY OTHER TALKS, WITH MEUR FOREIGN NINISTER AND THE VICE FOREIGN MINISTER,THE PURPOSE OF NY VISIT IS TO EXPRESS THE CDN GOVTS CONCERN ABOUT THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM. WE FEEL THAT CDA,AS A NEIGHBOUR AND FRIEND OF USA WHOSE WELFARE IS INTRICATELY BOUND UP WITH USA, AS A COUNTRY '''HIGH UNDERSTANDS USA.WE NAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THE AMERICAN POSITION. (PM LAUGHS).HAVING SAID THAT,I WOULD LIKE TO RPT WHAT I SAID IN THE PREVIOUS INTERVIEWS WHICH I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO HAVE. 6.CDN FOREIGN POLICY IS NOT IDENTICAL WITH AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY I KNOW WE ARE FREQUENTLY REGARDED AS THE PVPDET OF USA AND AS BLINDLY FOLLOWING THE POLICY OF USA.THIS IS BY NO RPT NO "ZANS CORRECT, AND I THINK THAT FROM AN IMPARTIAL EXAMINATION OF OUR POLICY IT WILL BE CLEAR THAT ON IMPORTANT OCCASIONS WE HAVE DIFFERED THE OTHER HAND, THERE HAVE. BEEN OCCASIONS WHEN WE HAVE AGREED. AS YOU KNOW,THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC STATEMENTS BY OUR PM HE HAS PUBLICLY REGRETTED THE BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM. AND IT WAS OUJR PM, THE FIRST OF THE LEADERS IN THE WEST TO DO SO,WHO PROPOSED A PAUSE SO'THAT HOSTILITIES COULD STOP.THAT IS WHY I SAY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THE POSITION OF USA WITH RESPECT TO ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT. THE ASPECT OF WHICH I A* SPEAKING IS THE POSSIBILITY OF NESOTIATIONS AND A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT. 7.WHEN I SAY WE UNDERSTAND USA AT LEAST PARTIALLY,! BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR SITUATION.WE KNOW SOMETHING OF THE HISTORY OF YOUR REVOLUTION LED BY PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH.’E SYPATH- ...3 000419 loe �v Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE 13 9 TSEC IZE WITH AND SUPPORT SO^E OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THAT REVOLUTION. FROM THE PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW,I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN CENTRAL CHINA.NY FIRST LANGUAGE WAS CHINESECPY LAUGHS)AND I COULD NOT RPT NOT SPEAK ANY OTHER LANGUAGE UNTIL I WAS SIX TO SEVEN YEARS OLD. FROM MY CHINA DAYS, I HAVE BEEN CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH REVOLUTION IN CHINA. IN NY FATHERS SCHOOL THERE WAS A STUDENTS ORGANIZATION WHICH PARTICIPATED IN THE'1912 REVOLUTION.AND SOME OF THESE BOYS TOOK PART IN THE 1922-27 REVOLUTION.I WAS IN CHINA THEN AS A STUDENT IN PEKING, AND AS A TEACHER IN THE SCHOOL *Y FATHER FOUNDED. I WAS IN CHINA AGAIN FRO’'1 1945-51 DURING THE CIVIL WAR AND THE COMING TO POWER OF THE NEW REGIE IN PEKING, AND IN CHARGE OF THE CDN EMB FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE LIBERATION OF NANKING.SO I HAVE SOME PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN ASIA I KNOW THE ATTITUDE OF ASIANS WITH RESPECT TO FOREIGN■DOMINATION AND TO THE POWERS THAT FORMERLY CONTROLLED THEN.SINCE THEN I VISITED VIETNAM(HANO I,HAIPHONG AND SAIGON) FIFTEEN YEARS(13 GROUPS MISSING) CE AND WAS A AUDITOR ON THE SIDELINES FOR THE INDOCHINA CONFER- ENCE. I LED THE CDN DEL, U’IDER THE M INTER, DVRIN G THE LAPS CONFER- ENCE. I ’LAS WELL ACQUAINTED WITH YOUR REP IN INDIA, AS A FRIEND. DURING SEVEN YEARS IN INDIA,I FOLLOWED VERY CAREFULLY THE ACTIVITIES OF ALL THREE INDOCHINA COMMISSIONS. I MENTION THIS ONLY BEC AU IT ma y BE SIGNIFICANT THAT THE CDN GOVT HAS SELECTED ME TO COME HERE. PRIME MINISTER E.AND "E HAVE RECEIVED YOU WITH SOME SIGNIFICANCE,TOO e . e A 000420 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loisur faeces a /'information pag e f o u r 189 TSEC SVALLBR IDG9.THEY REALIZE NY SYMPATHIES.FOR REVOLUTION,FOR RECONSTRUCTION,ETC. 10.THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, TO WHICH I HAVE NOT RPT NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIFIC REPLY FRCM YOUR OFFICERSCP LAUGHS).! AM NOT RPT NOT HERE TO PERSUADE YOU TO CHANGE YOUR. POLICIES. ONE PURPOSE IS TO OBTAIN A CLARIFICATION OF ASPECTS OF YOUR POLICY, ESPECIALLY THE FOUR POINTS YOU HAVE OUTLINED. THE REASON WOULD LIKE THIS CLARIFICATION IS THAT WE !OULD LIKE TO EXAMINE THE POSITIONS OF BOTH SIDES.WE KNOW THAT CONCESSIONS USA ARE PREPARED TO MAKE;WE WANT TO KNOW ’'.'HAT IN THE FOUR POINTS YOU ARE PREPARED .TO NEGOTIATE INFORMALLY IN DIRECT TALKS, OR INDIRECTLY, IN PREPARATION FOR ALL NEGOTIATIONS.THE TWO SPECIFIC POINTS WHICH WE WONDER YOU NIGHT WISH TO CONSIDER AS THE STARTING POINT FOR ULTIMATE NEGOT IATIONS ARE(A)THE QUESTION OF THE WITHDRAWAL OF USA TROOPS FRO' VIETNAM AND( B) THE QUESTION OF THE REPRESENTATION OF THE NATIONAL LIBERATION FRONT AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE.WE WONDER IN BOTH CASES WHETHER IT IS NOT RPT NOT POSSIBLE TO REACH UNDERSTANDING IN ORDER TO GET OVER THE BASIC OBSTACLE TO PEACE NEGOTIATIONS. 11. IN REGARD TO THE QUESTION OF THE SEATING AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE OF THE NLF,YOU HAVE STATED THEY MUST 33 SEATED AS REPRESENTING THE GOVT OF SOUTHVIETNAY. USA HAS STATED THAT THEY WILL NOT RPT NOT SIT DOWN WITH THE NLF AS REPRESENTING THE GOVT, BIT ILL ACCEPT TH-IR SEATING IN SOME CAPACITY. AND WE ARE WONDERING VNETHER OR NOT RPT NOT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A MTG OF "I’DS THROUGH INFORMAL DIS.. .5 000421 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FIVE 189 TSEC CISSIONS ON THIS POINT 12. ON THE OTHER ISSUE, THE "ITHDRA’AL OF USA TR00°S, YOU HAVE STATED IT ISA PRECONDITION TO PEACE NEGOTI ATIOS. USA HAVE STATED AMD VE BELIEVE THEY WILL CARRY OUT THEIR INTENTION-THAT THEY ARE PRE- PARED TO DISCUSS THE WHOLE QUESTION OF WITHDRAWAL AT THE CONFER- ENCE.THEY ARE ALSO PREPARED TO CARRY OUT,IN PHASED.WITHDRAWALS, A COMPLETE WITHDRAWAL FRO" VIETNAM-PHASED WITH NORTHVIETNAY WITHDR AWALS OF FORCES AND AID.WE BELIEVE USA DOES NOT RPT NOT WISH TO REMAIN IN VIETNAM AS A MILITARY POWER.WE 3ELEIVE THEM WHEN THEY SAY THEY WILL "ITHDRAH COMPLETELY BEFORE ELECTIONS ARE HELD,SO THAT THEY ’'’ILL NOT RPT NOT BE ACCUSED OF INFLUENCING THE ULTIMATE DE CISION BY THE VIETNAMESE. 15.WE ARE HOPING THAT,IF THERE IS CLARIFICATION OF BOTH SIDES ON THESE TWO ISSUES,THERE COULD BE INFORMAL NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM AND USA. 14.IN CLOSING THE FIRST PART OF MY TALK,I SHOULD JUST LIKE TO REFER . AGAIN TO THE CONCERN THE CDN GOVT FEELS ABOUT THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM. WE WELCOMED THE JAM4 STATEMENT BY YOUR FOREIGN MINISTRY, AND CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE FOUR POINTS,AND THE LETTER FRO^ YOUR : \ PRESIDENT.THESE THREE THINGS GAVE US SOME REASON FOR HOPING HAT THERE COULD BE A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT HERE.WE FEAR FOR OUR INTERESTS, FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF VIETN A*9 AND OF THE "ORL, THE d a n ger o u s s it u a t io n w h ic h is DEVELOPING h e r e ‘ITH r e s pe c t to t he MISTRUST OF MOTIVES ON BOTH SIDES.BOTH SIDES ARE TALKING ABOUT A 000 S 000422 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE SIX 139 TSEC VICTORY OVER THE OTHER.YOUR OFFICERS HAVE SEEN VERY FRANK IN GIVING M5 THE IPRSSSIO’] THAT THE DRVN IS VERY CONFIDENT OF VICTORY (PM LAUGHS)AND WE KNOW THE AMERICANS ARE ALSO CONFIDENT.THAT THEY ARE GAINING A VICTORY IN THE LIMITED AREA WHERE THEY INTEND A VICTORY. 15. NIE RELIEVE IT IS ‘1OT RPT NOT POSSI3LZ THROUGH MILITARY "EANS A MILITARY VICTORY,TO OBTAIN THE POLITICAL OBJECTIVES OF EITHER SIDE, SO WE WOULD LIKE NEGOTIATIONS TO START IN AN INFORMAL WAY,IN ORDER TO PREVENT AR FRO" ENGULFING THE WORLD WE ARE ON DERING IF CDA CAN USE ITS INFLUENCE IN ANY WAY TO HELP,OR POSSIBLY IN THE F’JT- URETHE ICSC. THE COISSIONV IS THE CONTINUING INSTITUTION FRO'1 THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS,AND BOTH SIDES SAY THEY WANT TO RETURN TO THE AGREEMENTS. 16.NOW YOU MUST PARDON NE FOR CONTINUING SO LONG-THE REASON IS THAT MY GOVT AND I MYSELF AR: VERY CONCERNED. N OM I AM PREPARED TO LISTEN QUIETLY TO WHAT YOU SAY PARTICULARLY ON THE TWO QUESTIONS,THE QUESTION OF THE lITHDRAWAL OF AMERICAN TROOPS AND THE QUESTION OF THE REPRESENTATION OF THE NLF AT THE CONFERENCE TABLE. ANY CLARIFICATIONHICH YOU CAN GIVE CN THIS WOULD BE APPRECIATED PRIME MINISTER 17.1 WELCOME YOUR VISIT THERE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE A “AN OF GOOD’■’ILL, BECAUSE WE THINK PM PEARSON IS A MAN OF GOOD WILL.AND I SHALL TALK TO YOU FRANKLY,JUST AS YOU HAVE TO ME. AND PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH ASKED ME TO CONVEY TO YOU HIS GREETINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE A VAN OF GOOD WILL. BUT IT IS NOT RPT NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE AS ME’ OF e © o 7 000423 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE SEVEN 199TSEC GOOD WILL CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM. (MUTUAL LAUGHTER).THAT IS THE TRAGI ASPECT,BECAUSE WE THINK USA HAS NOT RPT NOT YET SUCH GOOD WILL. DO YOU AGREE? SMALLBRIDE IS. I AM AFRAID IF YOU MEAN THAT THE GOVT OF USA WILL NOT RPT NOT CHANGE ITS POLICY OF WITHDRAWAL AND OF LEAVING VIETNAM TO ITS OWN,I CANNOT AGREE;USA WILL WITHDRAW ITS TROOPS PRINE MINISTER 19. FOR ME AT PRESENT, I DO NOT RPT NOT THINK DU ITE THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE IN FACT THE POLITICAL AND MILITARY CIRCLES IN USA ARE IN TENSIFYING THE WAR. WE XNOU THIS, AND YOU "UST KNOW IT TOO. SMALLBRIDGE 27. YES, WE KNOW IT, WE KMO" THE COMMITMENT IS BEING INCREASED. WE FEAR THAT THE APPLICATION OF THE GREAT POWER,THE MOMENTUM OF THE WAR, WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT LATER TO REACH AN AGREEMENT THAT IT IS NOW. PRINE MINISTER 21. IF YOU SAY THAT,IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO TALK. SMALLBRIDGE 22.I CAN SEE THE DIFFICULTYCPM LAUSHS),BECAUSE,AS BEFORE BOTH SIDES ARE DETERMINED TO HAVE A MILITARY VICTORY PRIME MINISTER 23.IF SO,YOU RIGHTLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION,AND IN THIS RESPECT, YOU AND I AGREE WITH EACH OTHER.THE CONCLUSION IS THAT USA HAS ... 000424 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a I'information PAGE EIGHT 189 TSEC NOT RPT NOT THE GOOD VILL TO FIND A SOLUTION, AND THEREFORE IN TODAYS TALK IT IS NOT RPT NOT EASY TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT NOT RPT NOT THAT WE LACK IT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LACK-OF GOOD "ILL ON THE SIDE OF USA SMALLBRIDGE 24.USA WILL WITHDRAW AND YOU CAN OBTAIN YOU OBJECTIVE BY NEGOT- I IATION AND AT THE SAME TIME PREVENT ANY FURTHER BUILD UP OF FORCES IN VIETNAM.BECAUSE NY GOVT BELIEVES THIS,AND YNO’S THAT THERE IS A . POSSIBILITY,REGARDLESS OF YOUR DISTRUST I WOULD NOT RPT NOT HAVE COE OTHERWISE.YOU CAN OBTAIN YOUR OBJECTIVES IN THIS "AY,"E ARE CERTAIN OF IT. PRIME MINISTER 25.I BEG YOUR PARDON,BUT YOU LOGIC IS NOT RPT NOT SATISFACTORY. THIS LOGICALLY WOULD MEAN THAT USA INCREASES ITS MILITARY FORCE IN ORDER TO WITHDRA";THAT IT OCCUPIES VIETNAM IN ORDER NOT RPT NOT TO STAY ON LATER;THAT IT INTENSIFIES THE WAR IN ORDER TO CEASE HOSTILITIES. THE WORLD UNDERSTANDS THE AMERICAN INTENTIONS, AND THE AMERICAN.PEACE CAMPAIGN MET WITH FAILURE.THEREFORE WHAT YOU SAY IS u n a c c e pt a b l e to u s. one e v id e n c e of t h e ir l ack of GOOD WILL is THAT THE FOUR-POINT STAND HAS NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED BY USA. THEY OPPOSE THE THIRD POINT.WHY "ONT THEY ACCEPT THE THIRD POINT?BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEIZE SOUTHVIETNAM IT IS CLEAR. AND IF THEY SAY SO,WE HAVE NOTHING TO PONDER OVER.BUT NOW THEY SAY THEY WILL WITHDRAW,THEY w il l NOT RPT NOT. OCCUPY VIETNAM • o a 9 000425 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information MAE PAGE TO 13 9 TSEC AND YOU SAY SO,TOO. BUT TAKE OUR STATEMENT OF JANA THEY HAVE TAKEN NO RPT NO POS(13 GROUPS HISSING)RON HO CHI MINH THEY IGNORED IT SO IN BRIEF,WE ARE PREPARED BUT,BECAUSE OF THIS ATTITUDE OF USA WHAT CAN HE DO? 26.WE THEREFORE MUST CONCLUDE THAT USA WANT TO FIGHT. THAT THEY WILL FIGHT HOST STRONGLY,ESCALATING IN SOUTHVIETNAM ;THAT THEY HAY OPEN UP A BATTLEFIELD.IN SOUTHERN LAOS.BECAUSE THEY ARE THE AGGRESSOR HISTORY HAS PROVED IT,AND INTERNATL LAW LEAVES IT IN NO RPT NO DOU BT. THE CO!0N PEOPLE HAVE RECOGNIZED THISsTHE AMERICANS ARE ATTACKING US,WE MUST STRIKE BACK.THEY HAVE ESCALATED THE AIR ‘AR BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING DEFEATED.LET US LOOK AT THE SITUATION AT THE END OF 1954-AXERI CAN STRENGTH WAS 33,930 TROOPS. BY THE END OF 1955, IT WAS 202,393. BUT 1 955 WAS THE YEAR IN WHICH THEY SUFFERED A GREAT DEFEAT, THAT IS KNOUN TO US, USA AND TO YOU.OTE RS DO NOT RPT NOT KNOW IT.BY THE END OF 1955,THEIR STRENGTH WILL BE 4009 930, AND THEY WILL USE MEANS OF WARFARE "ORE SAVAGE THAT DID THE GERMAN FASCISTS. BUT THEY WILL SUFFER BITTER DEFEAT.IN SOUTH VIETNAN THE PEOPLE WILL FIGHT MORE STRONGLY,THE EXPEDITIONARY CORPS IN SOUTHVIETNA CHANGES THE SITUATION:THE PUPPET GOVT CAN NO RPT HO LONGER SPEAK OF NATIONALISM AND THE PEOPLE. THIS IS A • COLONIAL "AR BY USA.PEOPLE WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT-WE ARE PROUD AND SHALL NOT RPT NOT LET USA INTIMIDATE US WITH ARMS. YOU SHOULD NOT RPT NOT SUPPORT THEN IN THIS POLICY.THE LONGER THE WAR,THE "ORE BITTER THEIR DEFEAT. IN THE FACE CFESCALATION,IICRRASED FORCES, oo13 000426 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a i’information I PAGE TEN 18 9 TSEC ETC,WE SHALL STRIKE BACY. I- THEY USE OTHER "ETHODS, "E SHALL STRIKE BACY. 27. YOU UNDERSTAND OUR ASPIRATIONS: INDEPENDENCE, AND FREEDOM TO LIVE QUIETLY ON OUR OWN TERRITORY.USA LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OCCAN-IHY SHOULD THEY COME HE RE ?T HE VIETNAM UESTIO* IS COMPLICATED,AS YOU KNOW.TO COME TO A SETTLEMENT,THERE ARE T"O PRINCIPLES:THE AMERICANS MUST GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OCEAN, AND NEVER OPPOSE THIS TRUTH. (NOTE: PRESUVA3LY, VIETNAISE ASPIRATIONS)□ SMALLBRIDGE 28.I REALIZED THIS BEFORE COMINS HERE, FROM YOUR FOREIGN MINISTRY STATEMENT,YOUR PRESIDENTS LETTERS ETC SO I AM NOT RPT NOT SURP- RISED AT THE CLEARCUT TERMS OF YOUR POSITION. BT I AX GLAD YOU MENTIONED THIS is A COMPLEX PROBLEM.FOR A COMPLEX PROBLEM,THERE IS NO RPT NO SIMPLE ANALYSIS,NO RPT NO SIMPLE SOLUTION.AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF YOUR POSITION WHICH ARE NOT RPT NOT REALISTIC. • 29.WE ARE IN SYMPATHY WITH YOUR OBJECTIVES INDPENDENCE IN VHICH THERE WILL BE MO RPT NO INTERFERENCE BY ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY.IN THE CONFERENCE THAT WOULD FOLLOW,YOU COULD HAVE GUARANTEES BY THE GREAT POWERS WHICH HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. PRINE MINISTER 3. THE LAOS AND VIETNAM CONFERENCES OF 1952 AND 1954 PRODUCED GUARANTEES OF HAT USE WERE TWEY?AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE PROBLE" IS SO COPLEX,NOT RPT NOT SIMPLE AT ALL . .. 11 000427 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE ELEVE’] 18 9 TSEC SMALLBRIDGE 3 1. ONE FACTOR IS THAT USA NEVER SIGNED THE AGIEENTo I HNOW THEY MADE QUALIFICATIONS AFTERWARDS.ANOTHER FACT IS THAT THE FRENCH SIGNED IF. FOR SOUTHVIETNA” THESE FACTORS NAY NOT RPT NOT EXPLAIN THE FAILURE. THE MORE IMPORTANT OF THE TWO IS THAT SOUTHVIETNA” DID NOT RPT NOT SIGN,THEY AT ONE TIME EVEN TOON ACTION TO THROW OUT THE ICSC. SUBSEQUENTLY THEY HAVE NOT RPT NOT SIGNED, BUT THEY HAVE TOLERATED THE COMMISSION AND EVENTUALLY-THEY HAVE COOPERATED TO SOME EXTENT.BUT THERE IS NOT RPT NO POINT IN GOING BACH TO THE CAUSES OF THE TROUBLES(PM CHUCKLED)HERE THERE CAN BE NO RPT NO AGREEMENT ON THE REAL CAUSES. BOTH SIDES DISAGREE COMPLETELY. IN ANY IMPARTIAL EXPLANATION THE PROBLEM IS SO COMPLEX,THERE SHOULD BE NO RPT NO BLACK AND WHITE.AFTER WE CANE TO HANOI(AND BEFORE, AND WHEN WE CANE),WE WERE UNDER NO RPT HO ILLUSION ABOUT THE GREAT GAP BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES.WE ARE CONVINCED A SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE IF WE CAN ONLY FIND ELEMENTS IN THE POSITIONS OF BOTH SIDES WHERE THERE COULD BE A NTS OF MINDS.AND THEN I ASHED THE QUESTION,IN SPITE OF YOUR COMPLIETE DISTRUST OF USA,"OULD IT NOT RPT NOT BE WORTHWHILE TO EXPLORE THROUGH DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS OR, BECAUSE THE. DISTRUST IS TOO GREAT AND WOULD LEAD TO AN EXPLOSION,TO USE A THIRD PARTY? PRINE MINISTER 320 WE ARE TALKING. SMALLBRIDGE . .. 12 000428 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I’information PAGE TVELVE 18 9 TSEC YES S BUT I AM NOT RPT NOT THE BEP OF USA NOP AM I AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK FOR YOU.THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES THAN CDA,THERE ARE MANY CERS.I CAN GIVE YOU ONE ASSURANCE,HOWEVER, CDA WOULD PREFER TO SEE USA AND THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM ENGAGE IN INFORMAL TALKS. LET THE WAR GO ON WHILE YOU. TALK (AS AT PAMMUNJON IN KOREA). AND THEN,IF YOU FIND SOME GROUNDS FOR NEGOTIATING THE MAIN ISSUES, AGREE THEN UPON A CEASEFIRE AND CALL A CONFERENCE,AND SECURE GUARANTEES. AND IF THAT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE,YOU MIGHT DO AS AT THE KOREAN PEACE CONFERENCE DO WITHOUT THE FORMALITY OF A PEACE TREATY. BUT, IF THE ISSUES DISCUSSED ARE ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH SIDES, AND AMERICAN TBCOPS APE "ITHDRA’N AS A RESULT OF AGREEMENT YOU WILL HAVE ACHIEVED YOUR OBJECTIVE WITHOUT AR,SUFFERING AND FEAR OF ESCALATION. PRIME MINISTER 34.BUT ALL THIS DEPENDS ON ONE THING ONLY:THAT OUR CDN FRIENDS SHOULD PERSUADE THEIR AMERICAN FRIENDS TO ADOPT THE FOUR POINTS AND OUR FOREIGN MINISTRY STATEMENT OF JANA. AND UE APE WAITING FOR AND' NE ARE WAITING FOR THE REACTION OF OUR CDN FRIENDS. SNALLBRIDGE 35. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THIS, IF YOUR WOULD GIVE US SONEdS GROUPS MISSINS)THAT UE WOULD HAVE SONE REASON TO PERSUADE THE AMERICANS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO. PRIME INISTER 36.WE CANNOT RPT NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING AT ALL. YOU SEE,THE FOUR ...13 000429 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a l-information PAGE THIRTEEN 18 9 TSEC POINTS ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL, UNCHANGEABLE PRINCIPLE OF OUR PEOPLE. I THINK OUR CDN FRIENDS CAN UNDERSTAND THE CORRECTNESS OF.THESE POINTS WE CANNOT RPT NOT REDUCE ANYTHING. THE THIRD POINT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT,THE MAIN LIMIT CONDITION.POINTS ONE AND TWO LEAD UP TO POINT THREE,AND POINT THREE MUST BE RECOGNIZED IN ORDER TO HAVE POINT FOUR.THEREFORE OUR FOUR POINTS !ILL BE ACCEPTED,OR THEY WILL NOT RPT NOT BE ACCEPTED AD THE JANA STATEMENT IS A NE’ STEP USA IST UNCONDITIONALLY STOP ALL AIR RAIDS AGAIMS NORTHVIIT- NAM THE HORLD IS URGING THIS NOW. SMALLBRIDGE 37.NOW WE ’<’AY BE COMING TO A POINT "HICH, IF CLARIFIED, MAY BE LEADING TO SOMETHING YOU CAN PROVIDE ME NON ITH A CLARIFICATION ‘HICH WOULD ENABLE ME TO BRING A "SG TO USA.IT IS THIS.WE HAVE THE TWO STATEMENTS BY OUR PRIME MINISTERCHICH I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED): OUR PM ASKED FOR CESSATION,AND HE REGRETTED THE RESUMPTION.USA HAVE ALREADY GIVEN YOU A GOOD ANSWER WHICH MAY MEET YOUR COMPROMISE IN' THIS RESPECT.USA SAID THAT, DURING THE PAUSE,THERE "AS MO-RPT NO RESPONSE FROM THE DRVN TO AMY USA ATTEMPTS THE AMERICANS MADE IN THE PEACE OFFENSIVE. THE AMERICANS HAVE MADE ONE SIGNIF- ICANT STATEMENT.AND IF I COULD STARE TO THE CDN GOVT YOUR•POSITION WITH RESPECT TO A VERY VITAL ISSUE,WE "ISHT DO "/HAT THE CHI SAY(SPOKEN IN CHINESE): UOTE IF AN OPPORTUNITY CCMES YOUR MAY, YOU MUST ENTER INTO IT UNQUOTE.NOTE:THE PH,THOUGH HE HAD PROFESSED LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF CHINESE,(DID NOT RPT NOT HAVE TO AMAIT THE .. 14 000430 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FOURTEEN 189 TSEC TRANSLATION TO APPRECIATE THE QUOTATION) . I A’T COMING TO THE POINT. THE OPPORTUNITY MIGHT BE THE CDN OPPORTUNITY I AM TALKING ABOUT. IF USA GOVT STOPS THE BOMBINS, IS THE DRVN PREPARED TO HAVE INFORMAL TALKS EITHER DIRECTLY, OR INDIRECTLY WITH A THIRD PARTY?USA-E BELIEVE USA STATEMENT THAT QUOTE 15 ARE PREPARED TO APPOINT REPS TO MEET WITH THE DRVN AT ANYPLACE, AT ANY TINE, ON ANY SUBJECT OF THE ISSUES THAT DIVIDE US UNQUOTE.IF THEY STOP BOBBINS,ARE YOU PREPARED TO HAVE THESE INFORMAL TALKS? PRINE MINISTER: 33.1 SHALL ANSWER YOU.WHAT WE POINTED OUT IN OUR STATEMENT JAN4 IS THIS: IF. USA GOVT DECLARES THAT IT WILL STOP ALL MILITARY ACTION,ATTACKS,AGAINST THE DRVN FOR GOOD AND UNCONDITIONALLY, (DEFINITIVELY.NOTE:THESE VARIATIONS REFLECT THE TRANSLATORS SEARCH FOR THE EXACT ’''ORD) SNALLBRIDGE 3 9.-YOU ARE ASKING FOR CESSATION OF SUCH ACTION AGAINST THE DRVN, and if t hat is t he c a s e ,y o u are pr e pa r e d to BEET USA'TO PREPARE THE. GROUND FOR ULTIMATE NEGOTIATIONS? PRIME MI’ISTER 42T0 THE SENTENCE I “UST ADD: UNCONDITIONALLY AND DEFINITIVELY i THIS IS IN THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT. AND FOR OUR PART ‘2 "ILL LOOK INTO THE ATTITUDE OF USA.ADWITH ALL UMDERST AMDIC. OUR LOGIC IS VERY CLEAR.it IS CLEAR TO YOU,THE SCHEMES OF IJS4 I*l ATTACKING NORTHVIETN. THEY ■'ANT TO USE IT AS A TR‘P CARD AND THAT CAN1OT RPT ...15 000431 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FIFTEEN 139 TSEC NOT BE.THEY MUST OFFICIALLY DECLARE THEY WILL STOP IT UNCOVDITIO'ALLY AND FOR GOOD. E KNOW "HAT WE HAVE TO DO SMALLBRIDGE 41.THIS IS NOT RPT NOT QUITE CLEAR. PRIEMINSTUR 42.THIS AFTERNOON WE WILL SEND YOU AN AIDE MEM01 RE.YOU MUST BE SUITE CLEAR(2GROUPS MISSING) - SMALLBRIDGE 43. YOU ARE LIITING ‘HAT YOU SAY TO NORTHVIETNAM TERRITORY? PRIMEMINISTER 44. YES. SY ALLBRIDGE 45.THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH USA ACTION IN THE SOUTH? PRIME MINISTER 46.1 HAVE NOT RPT NOT MENTIONED IT.SHOULD I? s m a l l b r id g e 47. YES. PRIME MINISTER 43. WE HAVE ONE OBJECTIVE USA WITHDRAWAL S’-ALLBRIDGE 49.ARE YOUR PREPARED TO NEGOTIATE THIS? PRIME MINISTER 53. THIS IS IN THE FOUR POINTS. I'l THIS CONNECTION, THE BODY WITH THE AUTHORITY IS THE NLF.THEY CAN TALK,THE TWO BELLIGERENTS. 16 000432 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE SIXTEEN 139 TSEC THERE ‘ILL BE-SHALL, BIG AND BIGGER FIGHTING USA WANT TO IGNORE THE NLF, BUT THEY CANNOT. SMALLBRIDSE 5 1. IS THAT A PRECONDITION TO TALKS, CR CAN IT BE LEFT FOR NEGOTIATIONS?IS THERE SONE POSIBILITY OF STARTING INFORMAL TALKS TWEEN YOU?IF YOUR SENTENCE IS AGREED TO,CAN THERE BE TALKS,WITH THE ISSUES ‘ITH RESPECT OT SOUTHVIET'A BEING LEFT FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE CONFERENCE?INFOR ”AL TALKS NAY RPT HAY LEAD TO A EASE- FIRE,AND THEN TO A CONFERENCE? PRIME MINISTER 52.IN FACT OUR POSITION INCLUDES YAMY ASPECTS.IN BRIEF 1E CAN SAY ' THAT INFORMAL TALKS AND A CESSATION OF ATTACKS AGAINS NORTHVIT- NAM GO TOGETHER. . SMALLRRIDGE 53. ON THE LATTER POINT, COULD YOU CLARIFY IT: USA “UST DECLARE TO 1 STOP DEFINITELY AND UNCONDITIONALLY OTHERISE THERE WILL BE NO RPT NO TALKS QUERY THE CONDITIO IS LIMITED TO NORTHVIETNA"? PRINE MINISTER 54. CORRECT. ABOUT THE CDN OPPORTUNITY. I NNON YOUR POSITION AVD YOUR f EFFORTS IN CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.SHOULD YOU SUCCEED IN PERS'JADI'S USA I DO NOT RPT NOT ASK YOU T0(?M LAUGHS), IT MUST BE UP TO YD‘. THERE HAVE BEEN ’''ANY PREVIOUS UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCES WITH OTHER MISSIO’IS. SMALLBRIDGE . 17 000433 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act ■ Document divulgue en vertu de la Loisur l'acces a /'information 1 PAGE SEVENTEEN 189 TS.EC 55. I 4* GLAD YOU SAY THIS WE. ARE NOT RPT NOT VOLUNTEERING. PRIME MINISTER 56. YES, I UNDERSTAND. SMALLBRIDEE . 57.3T ‘JE ARS GLAD TO CARRY TO USA THE CONDITIONS YOU WAKE, YOUR POSITION. PRIME MINISTER 58. BUT ONT ASK THISCPM LAUGHS). SMALLBRIDGE 59.WE UNDERSTAND.WE COULD SUGGEST TO USA THAT YOU WOULD BE PREPARED TO HAVE TALKS,AND WE ARE PREPARED TO BRING BACK A REPLY FR0* USA. THEY WAY WANT TO MODIFY THE CONDITION. THIS IS AN INF ORAL ARRAN- GEMENT;E HAVE NOT RPT NOT VOLUNTEERED, YOU HAVE NOT RPT NOT ASKED US,AND WE WILL SAY NOTHING TO THE PRESS ABOUT THIS.FOR THE PRESS,I SUGGEST A VERY,RPT VERY GENERAL STATEMENT TO THE EFFECT THAT THE CDN GOVT HAS SENT A RETIRED DIPLOMAT HERE WITH THE REPLY TO HO CHI. MINHS LET AND TO ENQUIRE INTO A USE FOR THE ICSC,PROBING I CSC POSSIBILITIES?HE HAS CONE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE ICSC,AND HAS HAD AN EXCHANGE OF VIEWS .SOMETHING HARMLESS LIKE THAT.WE DO NOT RPT NOT COIT. YOU, YOU DO NOT RPT NOT COMMIT US,WE DO IT IN COMPLETE SECRECY. PRI’E NINISTER 63.AS TO THE INFO FOR THE PRESS BEFORE YOU LEAVE,THAT WILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE FOREIGN MINISTER. 19 000434 �r ■ Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PACE EIGHTEEN 139 TSEC 61.1 SHOULD ADD SOMETHINGS ABOUT WHAT HAS JUST BEEN SAID,TO MAKE IT MORE PRECISEHEN USA HAVE MAXE A DECLARATION CORRESPONDING TO OUR REQUIREMENTS, !E SHALL,FOR OUR PART, CONTEMPLATE IT AND DECIDE. "HAT TO DO. FOR OUR PART, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND (MOTE:WE TOOK THIS TO MEAN THAT AFTER THE AMERICAN DECLARATION,THE DRVN WOULD GIVE CONSIDERATION TO STARTING TALKS PROBABLY AN INDICATION THAT THEY WOULD NOT RPT NOT BIND THENSELVES UNCONDITION ALLY TO TALKS,UNLESS THE AMERICAN DECLARATION IS SATISFACTORY). 62.NO,THE ICSC. WE ARE TRUE TO THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS. WE "AINTAIN A (GROUP CORRUPT)ISSUE RECEIVE YOU BECAUSE OF THE ATTITUDE OF THE CBN GOVT AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT CDA IS A MEMBER OF THE ICSC IN TWO CAPACITIES. ON THE ICSC I HAVE A SUGGESTION TO MAXE TO YOU® DO THINK IT OVER. FOR A LONG TIME THE COMISSION HAS DONE THINGS WITH WHICH WE DO NOT RPT NOT AGREE.FOR THE TIME BEING,THE COM*ISSION CAN DO NOTHING GOOD.IF IT CAN DO NOTHING GOOD,LET IT THEN ABSTAIN FROM DOING ANYTHING BAD. IF IT DOES ANYTHING BAD, IT WILL NOT RPT NOT HELP,IT WILL BRING BAD THINGS TO YOU.THEY DO NO RPT NO HAR* TO US.FURTHERMORE I WILL NOT RPT NOT ADVISE THE CDN MEMBER OF THE IC TO DO NOTHING BAD. 63.WHAT IS OUR PURPOSE TO ENABLE CDA TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. t f YOU SEE,THE TALK WE ARE HAVING TODAY IS ONE I HAVE NOT RPT NOT HAD VITH MANY PEOPLE. WE APPRECIATE THE ATTITUDE OF THE CBN GOVT. IN THIS ISSUE,IN THIS PROBLE", IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING,IT IS-GOOD. WE DO NOT RPT NOT WANT WAR, WE KNOW ’''HAT IT BRINGS ABOUT WE UNDERS- 0019 000435 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE NINETEEN 139 TSEC 7AND IT FULLY. NOBODY WANTS WAR OUR PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT NOW FOR TWENTY YEARS,WE KNOW IT IN OUR FLESH AND IN OUR SOUL.WE APPRECIATE CBN GOOD WILL WE ARE NOT RPT NOT LACKING IT.YOU KNOW OUR HISTORY WE MUST BE INDEPENDENT, FREE MASTERS IN OUR TERRITORY. WE HAVE PRIDE. 64.SO,TODAY OUR TALK IS BETWEEN MEN OF GOOD WILL.AND BECAUSE OF THIS GOODWILL,WE RECEIVE YOU,WELCOME YOU,AND TALK FRANKLY AND I HAVE EXHAUSTED WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.IT IS NOT RPT NOT EASY.MAYBE TODAYS i i TALK WILL BRING NOTHING.MAYBE ON YOUR RETURN MR PEARSON AND MR MARTIN WILL NOT RPT NOT HAVE SUCCESS IN PERSUADING USA. BUT, IF NOT i RPT NOT,COME AGAIN AND TRY ANOTHER TIME. SMALLBRIDGE 65.1 AM MOVED AT THESE EXPRESSIONS OF GOODWILL WE AGREE AND SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR OBJECTIVES,AND - WHILE WE HAVE NO RPT NO ILLUSIONS ABOUT ANY- SUCCESS, WE SHALL CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER WE CAN' TO BRING ABOUT ULTIMATELY A MTG ON AN INFORMAL BASIS. WE ARE NOT RPT NOT PARTICIPATING IN A PEACE OFFENSIVE FOR USA. WE HAVE NO RPT NO AMBITIONS TO BE THE MEDIU TO SETTLE THE PR03- • LEM FOR THE SAKE OF ANY KUDOS IT MIGHT BRING US.WE ARE HOPING MERELY TO MAKE A VERY MODEST AND INFORMAL PROBING OF POSITIONS. BECAUSE CDA HAS ONLY ONE, DESIRE PEACE AND STABILITY IN VIETNAM, RECONSTRUCTION AND THE RESTORING OF WHAT HAS BEEN LOST IN THE LONG WAR. - 66.WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT THE ICSC.’E “AY NOT RPT NOT HAVE TAKEN A STAND IN THE COMMISSION THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN APPROVED BY YO.’E HAVE ATTEMPTED TO BE IMPARTIAL IN OUR JUDG- ... 2 2 000436 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE TWENTY 189 TSEC EMENT. IT IS OUR INTENTION IN THE FURURE TO USE OUR POSITION ON THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THIS IMPARTIALITY AND FAIRNESS TO BOTH SIDES. 67. SINCE THE CO’KISSION IS THE ONLY RAINING CHAMEL FOR CONTACT ON BOTH SIDES.NR MOORE WILL ALWAYS HAVE HIS DOOR AND HIS EARS OPEN AS A CDN OR AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSSION, HE IS OUR CONTACT WITH YOU. WE HAVE INDICATIONS THAT IN TIME THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COX’ISSION NAY JOIN WITH CDA IN PROBING THE POSSIBILITY OF A PEACE SETTLEMENT. 63.NO’ I TOO,HAVE EXHAUSTED EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY. I A* GRATE- FIL TO YOU FOR HAVING HEARD NE AND’FOR HAVING A POSSIBILITY INDICATED,A SLIGHT GLIMMER OF HOPE THAT SONETHING MAY BE ACHIEVED. I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHAKE HANDS ITH THE PRESIDENT; IF IT IS NOT RPT NOT POSSIBLE,PLEASE GIVE HI" "Y GREETINGS, PERSONNALLY ALSO WE MET IN DELHI. IT HAS BEEN AN HONOUR FOR ME TO COME AS A MESSENGER, BRINGING OUR REPLY,COUCHED IN GEN-' ERAL TERNS,TO HIS LETTER,WHICH WAS ALSO COUCHED IN GENERAL TER"g8 PRINE MINISTER 70. ONCE AGAIN I SAY TO YOU WE WELCOME YOU HERE AS A MESSENGER OF THE CDN GOVT,WITH YOUR GOODWILL, YOUR FEELING FOR THE CAUSE OF OUR •PEOPLE. WE HOPE THAT O'.'R TALE TODAY "ILL RING SOMETHING,FROM MY HEART I HOPE SO.IN THIS WORLD GOODWILL DOES NOT RPT NOT DETERMINE THE RESULT,BUT IT IS PRECIOUS.FOR OUR PART, ..21 000437 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information > PAGE T’IENTYONE 13 9 TSEC APPRECIATE YOUR GOODWILL.I'TELL YOU THIS ONCE AGAIN,TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION OF YOUR TALK. 71. HO CHI. MINH REGRETTED NOT RPT NOT TO SEE YOU. BEFORE I CAMU HERE,HE ASKED ME TO GIVE YOU HIS GREETINGS. 72. AND YESTERDAYS REPORT SAID THAT IN CDA THERE IS A MOVEMENT CALL- ING FOR SUPPORT OF THE DRVN, A DEMONSTRATION BEFORE PM PEARSONS HOUSE. 73. ONE THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONVEY TO PM PEARSON NO RPT NO DOUBT YOU WILL REPORT OUR TALK TO HIM,YOU "ILL REPORT OUR POINT OF VIEW TELL HIM O’R GOVT DO WISH THE CDN GOVT TO BRING ITS GOOD CONTRIBUTUIONG OFFICES)TO THIS PROBLEM. IN THIS SPIRIT WE SHALL IN THE FUTURE TELL EACH OTHER WHATEVER WE HAVE TO SAY AND SO THE MEANTIME,AMBASSADOR MOORE SHOULD COME AT ANY TIME WE WILL RECEIVE HIM. o 74.THE AUDIENCE CONCLUDED WITH-HANDSHAKES,SO"E PLEASARTERIES IN FRENCH,”ORE PHOTOGRAPHS OUTSIDE,WITH THE PN BEING RESTRAINED BY SMALLBRIDGE FROM ACC 0 PAN YING US ALL THE WAY TO THE CAR. t 000438 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00067 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 49 - texts of Saigon telegram 184 giving Ronning's account of interview and Saigon telegram 189 giving Moore's account Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource multiple dates Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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PRINCIPAL OBSTACLES TO PEACEFUL SOLUTION ARE BOMBING OF NORTH AND LIBERATION FRONT.NORTHVIETNAM WILL NOT RPT NOT NEGOTIATE UNTIL AGGRESSION AGAINST IT CEASES AND UNTIL OTHER SIDE RECOGNIZES THAT FRONT IS A GENUINE SOUTHERN POLITICAL AND MILITARY MOVEMENT AND CONTROLLING MUCH OF SOUTHVIETNAM. THESE TWO OBSTACLES HAD SCUTTLED ALL PEACE INITIATIVES INCLUDING ONE UNDERTAKEN BY POLAND TWO MONTHS AGO WHOSE ONLY RESULT WAS AGREEMENT OF NORTHERN LEADERS 00.2 2e .f L' Y. () 13/79,(4 000395 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces d /'information PAGE TWO 161 TO TALK TO ANYONE WHO WISHED TO DISCUSS SITUATION SINCERELY WITH ' THEM. WENDROWSKI THOUGHT UNSUCCESSFUL COMMISSION INTERVENTION AT THIS STAGE WOULD LOWER EVEN FURTHER ITS REPUTATION WHICH' HAS SUFFERED FROM ITS FAILURE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT GULF OF TONKIN INCIDENTS,BOMBING OF NORTHVIETNAM AND INTRODUCTIONS OF USA TROOPS INTO SOUTH. 3.SMALLBRIDGE REMINDED WENDROWSKI OF MR PEARSONS ATTITUDE TO BOMBING AND OF FACT NEITHER SIDE WAS ENTIRELY BLAMELESS IN EVENTS LEADING UP TO PRESENT SITUATION.HE RPTD CDAS ASSESSMENT OF USA ULTIMATE INTENTIONS IN VIETNAM AND EMPHASIZED THE RESTRICTIONS OF AREA SUBJECTED TO BOMBING WAS CLEAR INDICATION USA HAS NO RPT NO AGGRESSIVE INTENT IN NORTHVIETNAM BUT WANTS ONLY TO STOP NORTH SUPPLYING ITS FORCES AND THOSE OF LIBERATION FRONT OPERATING IN SOUTH.THIS NEW RESTRICTION WAS AN IMPORTANT CHANGE WHICH NORTH SHOULD ACCEPT AS A CONCESSION AND MATCH AS SUCH BY CEASING ITS INFILTRATION OF MEN AND SUPPLIES.WENDROWSKI REPLIED NORTHERN LEADERSHIP REGARDS ALL OF VIETNAM AS ONE COUNTRY OF WHICH THEY ARE CITIZENS.THEY CANNOT RPT NOT MAKE CONCESSIONS IN THEIR OWN . ' COUNTRY TO AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT RPT NOT VIETNAMESE.IT IS AMERICANS AND NOT RPT NOT VIETNAMESE WHO SHOULD WITHDRAW FROM VIETNAM. A.WHEN SMALLBRIDGE SUGGESTED THERE WAS NO RPT NO USE DWELLING ON PAST MISTAKES WHEN A REMEDY IS REQUIRED FOR A SITUATION WHICH THREATENS WHOLE WORLD WENDROSKI SAID NORTH HAD A REMEDY WHICH THEY ...3 000396 �I L Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 161 WOULD NO RPT NO DOUBT PROPOSE TO SMALLBRIDGE AND WHICH WAS TO RETURN TO GNEVA AGREEMENT WITH FULFILLMENT OF ALL ITS PROVISIONS. POLAND HE SAID SAW TWO POSSIBLE REMEDIES,ACCEPTANCE OF DRVNS PROPOSAL OR A NEW CONFERENCE TO PREPARE A NEW AGREEMENT WHICH' WOULD BE RESPECTED BY ALL PARTIES.SMALLBRIDGE REMINDED WENDROWSKI BOTH SIDES INTERPRETED GNEVA AGREEMENT TO SUIT THENSELVES AND IT WOULD REQUIRE LONG NEGOTIATIONS TO GET A COMMON INTERPRETATION.IT WAS NOT RPT NOT HE RPTED CDAS INTENTION COMMISSION SHOULD LAUNCH NOW AN OFFENSIVE TO BRING THESE NEGOTIATIONS. BUT ' ONLY TO CONSIDER POSSIBILITIES OF ITS USEFULNESS AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME. 5.WENDROWSKI SAID HIS GOVT CONSIDERED POSITIONS OF TWO SIDES WERE STILL SO FAR APART THERE WAS NOTHING USEFUL COMMISSION COULD DO, AND POLDEL COULD NOT RPT NOT THEREFORE ASSOCIATE ITSELF WITH CDN INITIATIVE. BOTH SIDES HE SAID STILL MISTAKENLY THOUGHT THEY COULD ACHIEVE A MILITARY VICTORY AND UNTIL THEY REALIZED THEIR MISTAKE TIME WOULD NOT RPT NOT BE RIPE FOR ANY COMMISSION INTERVENTION. WHEN THEY DID REALIZE THEIR MISTAKE AND COMMISSION CONSIDERED THEY WERE READY TO TALK IT WOULD BE ITS TASK TO BRING THEM TO CONFERENCE TABLE.THIS MIGHT NOT RPT NOT,HOWEVER,BE FOR MANY YEARS. SMALLBRIDGE EXPRESSED HOPE HOSTILITIES WOULD NOT RPT NOT CONTINUE SO LONG AND SUGGESTED WHEN COMMISSION CONSIDERED TALKS MIGHT USE FULLY BE HELD IT MIGHT RECOMMEND TO COCHAIRMAN THEY CONVENE A CONFERENCE. WENDROWSKI DID NOT RPT NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ...4 000397 �Document disclosed under the Access.to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de 'la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE FOUR 161 SUGGESTION. 6.WHEN SMALLBRIDGE RAISED SUGGESTION MADE TO MOORE IN HANOI COMMISSION SHOULD PAY MORE ATTN TO NORTH AND SPECIFICALLY HOLD MORE MTGS THERE, WEDROWSKI SEEMED TO THINK'THIS HAD NOT RPT NOT BEEN MEANT SEROUSLY.PERSONALLY, HOWEVER, HE THOUGHT COMMISSION SHOULD MEET MORE OFTEN IN HANOI,PERHAPS THREE TIMES A.YEAR,TO EMPHASIZE CONTINUATION OF ITS PRESENCE IN BOTH PARTS OF VIETNAM. HE SUGGESTED ANOTHER MTG SHOULD BE HELD THERE SOON MOORE T00:070400Z TOR:081015Z C. T G 000398 �Document disclosed under the Access, to Information Act Document divulgue en vertyfy^d^e^^ I'information 7) c - 22-Vd T s - >: 1 I 2.— RTION COPY // y ( FM SAIGN MARS/66 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY TO TT EXTERNAL 167 IMMED DE DELHI INFO WASHDC (AMBASSADOR ONLY) HKONG(THOMSON AND FRASER ONLY) DE OTT REF OURTEL 161 MAR5 SALLERIDGE-CONVERSATION WITH RAHMAN SMALLBRIDGE CALLED ON INDIAN CHAIRMAN-SECGEN,RAHMAN,MAR2,DAY AFTER HIS ARRIVAL IN SAIGN,AND RAHMAN RETURNED CALL ON MAR5.IN ADDITION TO YOUR GUIDEL INES, SMALLBRIDGE USED SOME OF INFO GIVEN HIM BY AVERELL HARR IMAN (WITHOUT QUOTING) SHOWING REASONABLE AND GENUINE CONCESSIONS MADE BY AMERICANS WHICH PROVIDE A BASIS- FOR A TRUCE HE EMPHASIZED TO RAHMAN,AS HE HAD TO WENDROWSKI ,THAT IN LAUNCHING ITS PROPOSAL CDA WAS NOT RPT NOT THINKING IN TERMS OF HAVING COMMISSION TRY TO SERVE AS AN INSTRUMENT TO PRESSURE BOTH SIDES TO ACCEPT MUTUAL COMPROMISE AND THEREBY TO PROMOTE ACTIVELY ITSELF A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT.IT WAS NECESSARY TO MAKE FAIRLY FORCEFULLY POINT THAT OUR INTENTION WAS A.MODEST PROBING EXERCISE WITH A VIEW TO REPORTING TO COCHAIRMAN DEVELOPMENTS IF AND WHEN IT SEEMED POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE A CEASEFIRE BOTH RAHMAN AND WENDROWSKI SEEMED TO HAVE IMPRESSION,EITHER FROM THEIR GOVTS OR ELSEWHERE THAT OUR INTENTION WAS TO LAUNCH A PEACE OFFENSIVE,TO DO MORE THAN WE WANT TO DO AND THAT WE LOOKED TOWARDS ACHIEVEMENT OF THAT INTENTION A GOOD DEAL FASTER THAN WE DO 2.DURING SMALLBRIDGES CALL ON HIM RAHMAN DID NOT RPT NOT DISAGREE WITH ANY POINTS MADE TO HIM.THIS WAS PROBABLY NOT RPT NOT BECAUSE HE AGREED WITH ALL OF CDN ASSESSMENT BUT RATHER EECAUSE HE HAD 9 « A2 / ’ 4% 17 000399 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de ia Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE TWO 167 DECIDED NOT RPT NOT TO BEGIN ANY SUBSTANTIAL DISCUSSION UNLESS INSTRUCTED TO DO SO BY DELHI. PERSONALLY HE SAID THAT COMMISSION COULD DO NOTHING EXCEPT UNANIMOUSLY BUT THAT'IF POLES WERE PREPARED TO GO ALONG WITH ANY INITIATIVE THIS WOULD IMPLY SOVIET CONCURRENCE HE THOUGHT TIME WAS NOT RPT NOT RIPE FOR ANY INITIATIVE BY COMMISSION BECAUSE HE SAID DRVN DOES NOT RPT NOT YET FEEL SECURE ENOUGH MILITARILY IN SOUTHVIETNAM TO BE READY FOR NEGOTIATIONS. HE DID THINK THAT TIME MIGHT BE APPROACHING WHEN COMMISSION MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN TOLD BY DRVN LEADERS THEY WANTED COMMISSION TO REMAIN IN VIETNAM FOR IMPORTANT WORK THERE WOULD SOON BE FOR IT TO DO.THROUGHOUT THIS CONVERSATION RAHMAN SEEMED TO BE THINKING,PERSONALLY AT LEAST,IN TERMS OF A LAOTIAN-TYPE EVENTUAL SETTLEMENT(WITH A COALITION GOVT)OF VIETNAM CONFLICT.WHEN HE ASKED SMALLBRIDGE WHETHER THIS WAS WHAT WE HAD IN MIND LATTER REPLIED NO RPT NO EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR POSSIBLE ORGANIZATIONAL SIMILARITY OF A NEW CONFERENCE ON VIETNAM TO THAT OF 1962 ON LAOS. WHEN HE CALLED ON SMALLBRIDGE MAR5 RAHMAN ASKED WHETHER HE HAD MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH HIS MISSION AND SMALLBRIDGE OUTLINED TO HIM REACTIONS HE HAD HAD FROM THIEU.DO AND W ENDROW SKI ..RAHMAN RPTD HIS EARLIER STATEMENT THAT HE COULD SEE NO RPT NO CLEAR ’ ROLE FOR COMMISSION IN VIETNAM SITUATION AS IT EXISTS AT PRESENT, BUT ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT FUTURE AND SUGGESTED ONE MEANS BY WHICH A SETTLEMENT MIGHT BE ACHIEVED.TO HIS QUESTION AS'TO ...3 000400 K3 �Document disclosed under the Access, to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE 167 WHETHER CDA(HE REFERRED TO A SPEECH MADE BY MR PEARSON FORESAW A UN POLICY FORCE TO SUPPLEMENT FUTURE ROLE OF COMMISSION SMALL- BRIDGE RESPONDED THAT HE DID NOT RPT NOT THINK CDA HAD YET DEFINED EXACT FUTURE FUNCTIONS OF COMMISSION AND THAT NO RPT NO UN ROLE WAS LIKELY UNTIL SITUATION HAD REACHED CONFERENCE STAGE AT LEAST.HE SUGGESTED THAT EVEN THEN A UN ROLE WOULD BE DIFFICULT AS LONG AS CHINA AND TWO VIETNAMS WERE NOT RPT NOT AMONG ITS MEMBERS. RAHMAN SAID THAT INDIAS REPLY TO HOS LET HAD BEEN AS GENERAL AS HIS LET AND ASKED WHETHER CDAS REPLY'WOULD ALSO BE GENERAL. SMALLBRIDGE REPLIED THAT IT WOULD BE GENERAL BUT THAT HIS PRESENTATION OF IT IN HANOI WOULD AFFORD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS CDAS VIEWS ON SITUATION IN VIETNAM AND TO ASK WHAT N ORT VIETNAMESE WERE PREPARED TO DO TO BRING THAT SITUATION TO A SOLUTION.RAHMAN THEN ASKED WHETHER USA WOULD ACCEPT A DE FACTO DEESCALATION BY NORTH IN LIEU OF A FORMAL CEASEFIRE AND WHEN ' SMALLBRIDGE REPLIED IN AFFIRMATIVE HE SUGGESTED THAT AN INFORMAL ARRANGEMENT OF THIS KIND WAS ONLY POSSIBLE SOLUTION SINCE IT WAS PROBABLY OUT OF QUESTION FOR NORTH TO AGREE TO ANY FORMAL REGROUPING OF ITS FORCES.WHEN DEESCALATION HAD BEEN ACHIEVED A MORE FORMAL SETTLEMENT COULD BE ARRANGED AND IN THAT COMMISSION COULD HAVE A ROLE. INDIA FEARS RAHMAN SAID THAT A PRESENT INITIATIVE WHICH FAILED WOULD JEOPARDIZE ANY FUTURE USEFULNESS FOR COMMISSION. SALLBRIDGE REASSURED HIM THAT ALL CDA WANTS IS FOR COMMISSION ..4 000401 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de'la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE FOUR 167 MEMBERS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES TO MAKE SOUNDINGS AND EXCHANGE VIEWS ON THEM SO THAT IF AND WHEN A CEASEFIRE SEEMS POSSIBLE COMMISSION CAN REPORT TO COCHAIRMEN RECOMMENDING CALLING OF A CONFERENCE T00:080300Z TOR:091910Z’•’ ” fJ ♦ 000402 �6 ' 22- Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act i ation batAulguen victuide ‘HopHargss b I'infofrtr 5. /Yb c77 7 —— — AC S:0 FM SAIGN MAR7/66 TSEC CDN EYES ONLY 14,00/0 TO TT EXTERNAL 168 IMMED DE DELHI INFO TT VASHDC (AMBASSADOR ONLY) HKONG(THOMSON AND FRASER ONLY)DE OTT REF MYTEL 64 MAR 7 SMALLERIDGE : CONVERSATION WITH RVN HEAD OF STATE FROM COMMISSIONER: Ci MARA SMALLBRIDGE SPOKE ALONG LINES OF YOUR TEL Y195 FEB28 TO HEAD OF STATE LT GEN NGUYEN VAN THIEU.ENSUING DISCUSSION,CONSISTING MAINLY OF AN EXPOSITION BY THIEU,EXTENDED AUDIENCE TO ONE HOUR AND A QUARTER.WHILE SUBSTANCE OF RVN POSITION AS PRESENTED BY THIEU WAS ESSENTIALLY SAME AS FM DOS,THIEU GAVE. IMPRESSION OF A QUOTE HARDER LINE UNQUOTE,EUT THIS WAS DUE RATHER TO HIS CHOICE OF WORDS AND HIS LACK OF TERMINOLOGICAL SUBTLETY WHICH IS SECOND NATURE TO FM. 2.THIEU THANKED SMALLBRIDGE FOR HIS EXPOSITION AND FOR CDAS GOODWILL AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF PROBLEM.SOUTHVIETNAM HAD SUFFERED GREATLY FROM WAR,MORE T HAN HANOI -AND NORTH:QUOTE WE BELIEVED CDA, BETTER THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY,UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS ALL STARTED UNQUOTE.CDAS ROLE IN ICSC WAS APPRECIATED AS WAS OUR GOODWILL DEMONSTRATED IN OUR INTENTION TO GO TO HANOI.THIEU ADDED THAT HE,TOO, HAD SENT A MSG TO NKRUMAH SUPPORTING IN THE INTERESTS OF HUMANITY SOUNDINGS HE WAS UNDERTAKING,BUT URGING HE COME ALSO TO SAIGN-TO COME AND SEE FOR HIMSELF,AND TO PASS ON TO THIEU ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP SITUATION.CDAS INITIATIVE IN ATTEMPTING TO CLARIFY C £ t ■_ ,. / /y i’/ HANOIS THINKING WAS MUCH APPRECIATED BY GOVT AND PEOPLESRPS- PR,NZv{ —HSH) NOT RPT NOT ONLY FOR THE GOVT, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE -. .i ;• 7 ' . 5 i 000403 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE TWO 168 SUFFERING.THIS GOVT HAD NEVER BEEN AGAINST ANY PEACE MOVE(FOR EXAMPLE,THE POPES)BUT WE BELIEVE NOW MORE AND-MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR PROBLEM.THIS FACT CAN MEAN A QUICKER SOLUTION. 3.OUR PROBLEM,HE CONTINUED,COULD EE BETTER AND MORE WIDELY UNDER- STOOD.THERE IS CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT COMMUNISTS ARE DOING IN VIETNAM, AND ABOUT WHY AMERICANS AND OTHER ALLIES ARE HERE.MORE PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND,AND IT IS NOT RPT NOT A BAD THING THAT THE UN IS GRAPPLING WITH OUR PROBLEM.WE ARE MUCH ENCOURAGED BY SUPPORT GIVEN US THERE(QUOTE 39 NATIONS UNQUOTE).WE BELIEVE CDN PEOPLE UNDER- STAND SITUATION,THROUGH CDAS LONG EXPERIENCE IN ITS COMMISSION ACTIVITES, 4.QUESTION TO BE UNDERSTOOD IS WHO ARE THE INVADERS,AND WHO THE DEFENDERS IN SOUTHVIETNAM. WE ARE CARRYING OUT A DEFENSIVE WAR.WE ARE PROMOTING A SOCIAL REVCLUTI ON,REBUILDING WHAT-HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY THE COMMUNISTS(SMALLBRIDGE INTERJECTED A REF TO CDN AID AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE).THE WAR HAS PREVENTED POLITICAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT DEMOCRACY IS OUR AIM.PEACE MUST BE OUR FIRST AIM(BUT NOT RPT NOT THROUGH A SURRENDER TO (COMMUN ISM?)) o SO LONG AS WAR LASTS,NOT RPT NOT ONLY SOUTHVIETNAMESE SUFFER,BUT ALSO PEOPLE IN NORTH,WHO ARE NOT RPT NOT COMMUNISTS AND WHO ARE VIETNAMESE LIKE PEOPLE IN SOUTH.OUR WHOLE EFFORT IS TOWARDS PEACE AND RECONSTRUCTION. 5.HANOI IS STILL PERSISTING IN ITS MISTAKEN BELIEF THAT IT CAN WIN WAR.IF YOU,OR ANYONE,CAN CONVINCE HANOI OF THIS MISTAKE,IT WILL BE A GREAT SERVICE TO VIETNAM AND THE WORLD.WHY,IN NAME OF HUMANITY ...3 000404 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I’information PAGE THREE 168 SHOULD PEOPLE SUFFER FOR NOTHING?IT WOULD BE A WELCOME INITIATIVE FOR ANY NAT ION,OR THE UN,TO CONVINCE HANOI(A)THAT IT CANNOT ACHIEVE A MILITARY VICTORY AND(3)THAT PEACE CAN BRING HAPPINESS TO THEIR PEOPLE AS WELL AS TO PEOPLE OF SOUTHVIETN AM. IF PERSUADED OF THIS, OF OUR WILL FOR PEACE AND OUR DETERMINATION NOT RPT NOT TO GO UNDER, HANOI LEADERS SHOULD THEN BE WISE ENOUGH TO STOP AGRESSION-IF INDEED THEY ARE PATRIOTS AND TRUE VIETNAMESE. 6.THIEU THEN WARMED UP TO A NOVEL THEME ON POSSIBLE DRASTIC DEVELOPMENTS IN NORTH.EVEN IF NORTH OCCUPIES MORE AND MORE OF SOUTH, HE SAID,THEY STILL WILL NOT RPT NOT SUCCEED IN THEIR AIMS.VIETNAMESE IN SOUTH DO NOT RPT NOT LIKE COMM UN ISTS ,AND IN NORTH,TOO, PEOPLE WILL IN THE LONG RUN ARISE & AGAINST COMMUN ISTS. THIS COULD SOUND UTOPIAN, BUT WE DO BELIEVE IT COULD HAPPEN IN NORTHVIETNAM (EVEN IF NOT RPT NOT IN CHINA OR THE USSR).WE KNOW OUR PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT HANOI REGIME-IT WILL NOT RPT NOT LAST,IF IT CONTINUES TO WAGE WAR. 7.WE CANNOT ACCEPT,HE CONTINUED,ANY SOLUTION OTHER THAN A REALISTIC COMPROMISE-VIZ:A RETURN TO 1954.IF IN 1554 WE HAD HAD A STRONG ARMY AND A REAL GOVT,WE WOULD NOT RPT NOT HAVE ACCEPTED GNEVA AGREEMENTS. WE DID,HOWEVER,ACCEPT THEM.THERE WAS NO RPT NO CHOICE,NO RPT NO ARMY, NO RPT NO RESISTANCE POSSIBLE TO THIS IMPOSITION ON US BY FRENCH. GOVT.I BELIEVE NOW THE QUOTE MODEST SOLUTION UNQUOTE IS TO ASK HANOI TO MAKE GOOD WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN SOUTHVIETNAM.AS THINGS NOW ...4 000405 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE- FOUR 168 STAND,WE HAVE RIGHT TO INVADE NORTH-BUT THIS WE WILL NOTRPT NOT DO.BUT NEITHER WILL WE ACCEPT A(VIETCONG)COALITION GOVT,FOR THEN THERE WOULD BE NO RPT NO MORE JUSTICE IN THE COUNTRY.IF THE FREE WORLD WERE TO ACCEPT THIS COALITION IDEA,IT WOULD MEAN A SLOW DEATH ' (COMMUNISTS WOULD HAVE THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR)WHAT WE WANT IS A JUST AND GUARANTEED PEACE .HERE. THE COMMISSION COULD PLAY A ROLE. ONE THING WE REGRET IS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NOT RPT NOT HAD CAPABILITY.! AGREE THAT WHAT YOU SUGGEST WOULD BE A GOOD THING. QUESTION IS HOW PEACE IS TO BE IMPLEMENTED-AS IF 1958 HAD NOT RPT NOT HAPPENED. 8.THIEU WENT ON TO SAY THAT SOUTHVIETNAM HAD SUFFERED WAR SINCE 1958:QUOTE THEN UNQUOTE,FOR ONE YEAR ONLY,AND THEN ONLY AIR ATTACKS.WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOMB DROPPED THERE AND A PLASTIC EXPLOSION IN SAIGN-ONLY A DIFFERENCE IN MEANS.WE BELIEVE OUR MEANS ARE MORE HUMANE THAN OVERT ASSASSINATION WITH PLASTIC CHARGES IN SAIGN.WE HAVE NEVER RESORTED TO SUCH METHODS IN NORTH. IN CONTRAST,WE ACCEPTED RISKS OF XMAS AND TET TRUCES,AND OF BOMBING PAUSE.WE KNOW IT WAS WORTH RISK,BUT WE SUFFERED AS A RESULT.HANOI BROKE TRUCE,AND IN THE 37 DAYS PAUSE,THEY MADE SUBSTANTIAL GAINS, INCLUDING INFILTRATION OF THREE MORE NORTHVIETNAM REGULAR REGIMENTS. WE HAVE THUS DEMONSTRATED OUR WISH FOR PEACE,AND OUR GOODWILL.WE HOPED THEY WOULD RESPOND SIMILARLY.WE COULD NOT RPT NOT DO MORE THAN THIS-A MAN WHO IS ATTACKED CANNOT GO ON BEING PASSIVE.HANOI •••5 000406 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loisur l'acces a /'information 1 PAGE FIVE 168 AND HAIPHONG ARE VERY SAFE; HO CHI MINH IS SAFE-I MOVE BETWEEN HOME AND OFFICE UNDER RISK OF ASSASSINATION.THEY HAVE GUARANTEE OF QUOTE FREE WORLD UNQUOTE FOR THEIR SAFETY-WE HAVE NONE,AND OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN DIE AT HANDS OF HANOIS TERRORISTS.HITLER DROPPED BOMBS ON LDN,AND BRITAIN RESPONDED IN KIND;HANOI SETS OFF BLASTS IN SAIGN, BUT WE MAY NOT RPT NOT BOMB HANOI.THIS IS AN INJUSTICE,THE FREE WORLD MUST STOP THIS AGGRESSION,AND NOT RPT NOT LEAVE US ALONE TO COMMUNIST ATTACK. 9.POSING QUESTION WHY HANOI BELIEVES IT STILL CAN WIN,THIEU COMM- ENTED THAT IT WAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BACKING OF COMMUNIST CHINA, AND ALSO SENSE A RELUCTANCE ON PART OF FREE WORLD.HANOI LEADERS BELIEVE,THEREFORE,THAT THEY CAN WIN IF THEY HANG ON LONG ENOUGH (MAKING A FALSE COMPARISON BETWEEN FRENCH,WHO LOST THEIR WAR IN PARIS,AND AMERICANS,AIDED IN THIS BY MORSE,FULBRIGHT AND ROBERT KENNEDY).HE EMPHASIZED THAT FOR HANOI ,GOODW ILL AND WISH FOR PEACE . MEAN WEAKNESS.SUCH GESTURES ARE VERY FRUITFUL(EXCEPT)FOR COMMUNISTS; THEY DO NOT RPT NOT UNDERSTAND,INTERPRETING THEM AS WEAKNESS AND EXPLOITING THEM FOR PROPAGANDA.SOUTHVIETNAM(AND AMERICANS)ARE SUFF- ERING BECAUSE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC METHODS.TO SMALLBRIDGES INTERJECTION THAT MILITARY ACTION ALONE IS NOT RPT NOT ENOUGH,AND A FINAL SOLUTION MUST BE A POLITICAL ONE,THIEU SAID HE BELIEVED HANOI SHOULD BE IMPRESSED WITH THIS. SMALLBRIDGE POINTED OUT WE BELIEVE A TRUCE IS FIRST STEP(AS IN CYPRUS,AND MIDDLEAST ,ETO ;CUR HOPE IS NORTH WILL DISCLOSE ITS ILLUSIONS AND,BOTH SIDES RECOGNIZING NEED FOR IT, ..6 000407 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE SIX 168. A CEASEFIRE WILL COME ABOUT.OUR OBJECTIVE,IF WE TAKE PART IN CONFERENCE, WOULD BE TO GUARANTEE SOUTHVIETNAM ONCE AND FOR ALL.THIEU REJOINED THAT CDAS INTENTIONS AND HELP WERE APPRECIATED.MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO HELP HANOI TO BECOME WISER.TELL THEM THAT THEIR INTENTION TO INVADE SOUTHVIETNAM AND LAOS IS WELL KNOWN IN FREE WORLD;THEY SHOULD STOP THIS LONG-RANGE PLAN AND ACCEPT FACT THEY HAVE NOT RPT NOT CAPABILITY TO FULFILL IT.SOONER OR LATER, THIEU REITERATED,! GUARANTEE IT, VIETNAMESE PEOPLE IN NORTH WILL RISE AGAINST THEM-TWO YEARS OR SOONER.I BELIEVE ALSO THERE IS NO RPT NO COMMON VIEW ON THE WAR WITHIN HANOI GOVT. 10.THIEU DID NOT RPT NOT REACT DIRECTLY TO A QUESTION FROM SMALLBRIDGE WHETHER HE THOUGHT THERE WERE OPPOSING CHINESE AND RUSSIAN FACTIONS IN HANOI.HE INDICATED HOWEVER,THAT IF HANOI CANNOT RPT NOT OVERCOME SOUTHERN RESISTANCE TO THEIR AGGRESSION SUCH A SPLIT WOULD DEEPEN.HE EMPHASIZED THAT NORTHVIETNAMS POLICIES ARE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS AS AN UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRY.IF VIET- NAMESE WORK HARD,THEY CAN BE SELF-SUPPORT!NG;BUT IF HANOI PURSUES AN UNFRUITFUL WAR,NOT RPT NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE OF NORTHVIETNAM WILL TURN AGAINST GOVT,BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE REBELLION AMONG MEMBERS OF PARTY AND GOVT ITSELF. HE ADDED THAT HE DID NOT RPT NOT BELIEVE NORTHVIETNAM HAS FULL SUPPORT OF COMMUNIST COUNTRIES.IN ECONOMIC FIELD THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT RPT NOT GIVING ENOUCH-MOSTLY TECH- NICIANS-AND IT IS AN OPEN QUESTION WHETHER CHINAS TAKING MORE * ** FRS IT THAN IT GIVES TO IT.TO SMALLBRIDGES COMMENT THAT CHINA HAS s 00.7 1 000408 E2 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a ^information PAGE SEVEN 168? NOT RPT NOT BEEN INVITED BY HANOI,THIEU SAID,THAT WHAT THE HANOI LEADERS FEAR MOST IS DOMINATION BY CHINA,AND THEY DO NOT RPT NOT KNOW HOW TO ESCAPE ONLY WAY IS TO TAKE OVER SOUTHVIETNAM-BUT THEY MUST BE CONVINCED THAT THIS IS AN UNWISE AND HOPELESS COURSE. AUDIENCE CONCLUDED WITH AN AGREED SOLUTION-ELIMINATION OF COMMUNISM IN NORTH BY GIVING HANOI AMERICAN AID. 11.AT DINNER MARS I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FM TRAN VAN DO FOR . HIS OPINION ON THIEUS BELIEF IN AN EVENTUAL UPRISING IN THE NORTH. HE WAS MUCH LESS SANGUINE:QUOTE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT UNQUOTE FOR NORTHVIETNAMESE PEOPLE TO TAKE ANY EFFECTIVE ACTION AGAINST REGIME IN HANOI-IT COULD BE DONE ONLY IF THERE WERE HELP FROM OUT- SIDE oFURTHER,FACT THAT COMMUNIST HAVE HAD EFFECTIVE AND EXPERIENCED CADRES FOR PAST 15 YEARS MEANS THEY HAVE COUNTRY TIGHTLY IN THEIR HANDS.HE gave s o me bl oo dy e x a m pl e s of h is own e a r l ie r EXPERIENCE WITH VIETMINH IN SOUTH TO ILLUSTRATE RUTHLESS EFFICIENCY WITH WHICH VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST LEADERS PUT DOWN DISSENSION AND RESISTANCE.HE ALSO CONFIRMED THAT,WHILE RVN HAD ONLY LTD ACCESS TO QUOTE WHAT THE NORTHVIETNAMESE PEOPLE ARE THINKING UNQUOTE,SOUTH- VIETNAMESE DO RECEIVE LETS VIA EUROPE FROM RELATIVES IN HANOI.(THEY CAN SEND GIFTS OF MONEY BY SAME ROUTE,BUT IT APPEARS DOUBTFUL THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO RESPOND TO THE PLEAS OF NORTHERN RELATIVES FOR COMMODITIES SUCH AS CLOTHING AND SHOES). 12.THIEUS FORTHRIGHT AND VIGOROUS EXPOSITION ENDORSED OUR SOUNDINGS ...8 000409 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE EIGHT 168 AND ANY EFFORTS COMMISSION AS A WHOLE MIGHT MAKE TO READY ITSELF FOR A NEW ROLE,BUT IT ALSO CONTAINED CAUTION THAT CART SHOULD NOT RPT NOT BE PUT BEFORE HORSE,OR NORTH. ENCOURAGED IN ITS MISCONCEPTION OF STRENGTH OF THEIR POSITION.HIS OTHER REMARKS HAD CLEAR (AND PERHAPS NATURAL) UNDERTONE THAT DECISIONS AFFECTING RVN ARE IN HANDS OF RVN GOVT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO BOMBINGAND THE LOGICAL (BUT PERHAPS UNREAL ISTIOASSUMPTION THAT SINCE THE AMERICANS ARE HERE ON RVNS REQUEST,THE TIMING OF THEIR DEPARTURE WILL NOT RPT NOT BE UNTIL RVN REQUESTS IT. T00:080206Z TOR; 09063Z © 000410 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00066 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 47 - copy of Ottawa telegram Y-212 Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 04-Mar-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020931 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/758265dafa56819cbadd0e6fce515b80.pdf 89473c8c1515512570b25e161b34956d PDF Text Text File Diary Document disclosed under the Access to Informdtion^ArcC / - RECRmentaygg ! ■ MESSAGE DATE . MAR. 4/66 DE EXT OTT AFFMITY .7 —_____ FILE/DOSSIER 212-//75-2-/ • I NO TO/A SAIGON (CONCENTRE: FLEASE TRANSMIT DIRECT OR BY : COMMERCIAL CHARNEL FROM DELHI) INFO WASHDC(FOR AMBASSADOR ONLY) Y-212 “SECRT SECUOHE - TCP■SEGA C • L 0. PRECEDENCE EMRGENCY ROUTINE REE SUB/SUJ . SMALLBRIDGE VISIT TO HANOI BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS FOR QUESTION OF RECOGNI TION WE HAVE BEEN GIVING FURTHER THOUGHT TO CUIJLATIVE EFFECT OP SMALLBRIDE VISIT, PRESENTATION OF PRIME MINISTER’S LETTER REPLXIN TO HO CHI MII AND JOINT QUOTE COIUNICUE UNQUOTE AT END OF VISIT. 2. LEGAL VIEW OF THIS PROBLEM IS AS FOLLOWS: A STATE CAN ALWAYS DENY, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS, THAT ITS ACTIONS SIGNIFY RECOGNITION, EJT THERE MAY BE A POINT AT WHICH SUCH ASSERTIONS LACK CREDIBILITY. FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEN, A COMUNIQUE WOULD SIMPLY BE THE FINAL ACT OF THE SPECIAL MISSION AND MAY BE INTERPRETED STRICTLY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF TE MISSION ITSELF. BUT THIS FURTHER EXTENSION OF THE PRINCIPLE WHICH GOVERNS SPECIAL MISSIONS MIGHT WELL BE QUESTIONED. MOREOVER, ANY LANGUAGE . IN THE CCIMUNIUE SUGGESTING THAT THE TWO REPRESENTATIVES QUOTE ' HAVE REACHED AGREEMEIIT UNQUOTE MAY IN FACT — DEPENDING ON FORMULA TION — BE REGARDED AS RECOGNITION, AS THE CONCLUSION or A BILATERAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN TWO STATES IS AN ACCEPTED METHOD C ... 2 t DISTRIBUTION 6 AL/LOCALE — SiG... NO STANDARD ORIGINATOR/REDACTEUR W.T. DELWORTH/RD EXTI8/OIL (REV 6/64) (COMMUNICATIONS 01V) CC LEGAL DIVISION (MR. GOTLIEB) (DONE IN DIV.) DIVISION TELEPHONE FAR EASTERN 2-6807 APFROVED/AUTORISE _ R. E. COLLINS SIS..................... . ............. ............. 000392 �Document disclosed under the Access to InformatianAct Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'inj >rmatk - 2 RECOGNITION AND IS GENERALLY REGARDED, IN ITSELF, AS BEING AN ACT OF RECOGNITION. AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT CAN, OF COURSE, TAKE THE FORM OF A COMAUNIQUE. 3. TESE CONSIDERATIONS UNDERLINE SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR EARLIER INSTRUCTION THAT YOU SHOULD RESIST AS FIRMLY AS YOU CAN ANY NORTH VIETNAMESE PRESSURE TO ISSUE COMMUNIQUE AT CONCLUSION OF VISIT. WE RECOGNIZE HOWEVER THAT SUCH .ACTION MAY BE UNAVOIDABLE OR THAT NORTH VIETNAMESE WILL INSIST ON ISSUING THEIR ON ANNOUNCEMENT. IF SO TEXT SHOULD SPECIFY THAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN THE NORTH VIETNAMESE GOVERNMENT AND SMALLBRIDGE SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, WHICH IS A MEMBER OP THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION FOR SUPERVISION AND CONTROL IN VIETNAM. IT SHOULD NOT STATE THAT QUOTE AGREEMENT UNQUOTE HAS BEEN REACHED Oli ANY MATTERS. THIS FORM OF WORDS WOULD PROBABLY BE SUFFICIENT TO INDICATE THAT VISIT FLOWS FROM OUR ROLE ON THE COMMISSION AND DOES NOT IMPLY A DEPARTURE FROM ESTABLISHED BASIS OF OUR RELATIONS WITH NORTH VIETNAM WHICH ARE NOT BASED ON RECOGNITION. **/ EXT IGA (6/64) (COMAM’s DIV) 000393 y � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00065 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 46 - Ottawa telegram Y-205, outlining Ronning talking points Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 02-Mar-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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Collins Conic ent re Accts* Document disclofefawfaiytfyt Agcess to Information Act Document divulguLl.il vCri uifmi niiniu l'acces aiiMArn^ti^n MESSAGE • DATE DEETorT TP ij y P mp4 x "* yu un C A" l~ TOP SECRE PRECEDENCE MAR 2/66 NO Y-205 SAIGON (COMMISSIONER ONLY) TO/A ' (PLEASE TRANSMIT DIRECT TO SAIGON OR COPREACLAL FROM DELHI) INFO SECURITY SECURITE FILE/DOSSIER EMERCLCY WASHDC (AMBASSADOR ONLY) SEE OURTEL X-204 MAR 2, PARA 2(C) SUB/SUJ SILLaDon DISCUSSIONS IN HANOI FOLLOWING ARE TALAIEC POINTS FOR SMALLSRIDGZ’S USE IN HANOI III P2OBINS NORTH VIETNAMESE VIEWS ON PROSPECTS FOR IGOTIATIONS. STUDIED THE FOUR POINTS DEGINS: WHICH HAVE. BEEN PUT FOlanD BY NoarH VIETNAM. WE HAVE ALSO NOTED THAT THE GOVT or • NORTH VIETNAM REGARDS THESE AS REPRESENT IN 0 THE su AND SUBSTANCE OPTHECEEVA AGREELIT. IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US TO EAVE SOME BETTEI IDEA TEAI WE NOW HAVE GF THE SEUENCE III WHICH AND THE CONLITIONS UNDER WHICH NORTH VIETNAM EIISAGES THESE POINTS' BEING IMPLEMENTED. IN PARTICULAR, IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US TO XiO. MICH OF THESE POINTS ARE REGARDED AS BEING PaECEDE? TO A NEGOTIATION LOOKING TO PEACE IN VITNAM. THE CVT OF NOilTH VIETNAM HiS SAID TIUAT THESE FOUR POINTS 2. . MUST BE QUOTE ACCEPTED UNQUOTEBI THE USA BEFORE A POLITICAL . SETTLEMENT OF THE VIeTi PROBLEM CAN BE ENVISAGED. WHAT FORM DOE / THE GOVT OF NORTH- VIET MM CONSIDER THAT. THIS QUOTE ACCEFTAICE: 1/ / 0 __/24 TRIBUTION L/LOCALE ORIGINATOR/REDACTEUR "D/PD : DIVISION K. Goldschlag/ SIG 9. Vopodeee • t *■•*..«.sGsaccscccccceds* _**“clorthnbeem EXT I8/BIL (REV 8/64) IPAstH*uteAIAtO Peue_______ FAh EASTEEH TELEPHONE 2-6807 APPROED/AUTCRISE SIG, 000388 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur Faeces d Finf 'Ration •2m 2UOTE WOULD TAKE? ARE THLRE RCIPRCCAL UNDERTAKINGS WHICH THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETNAM WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE? AND DOES THE GOVT OF NCRTH VIETNAM BELIEVE THAT ALL THIS CAN BE DONE IN THE ABSENCE OF ARY FORI OP CONTACT BETWEEN IT AND THE GOVT OF THE USA EITHER DIECTLY OR THROUGH THIRD PARTIES? 3. BEYOND AGUIRING QUOTE ACCEPTANCE UNQUOTE OP THE FOUR POINTS, THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETNA HAS EMPHASIZED CONDITIONS WHICH IT WOULD REGARD as PRECEDENT TO A POLITICAL SETTLEMENT. wz TAKE IT THAT THE HOST IMPORTAIC OF THESE IS TH CESSATION OP THE BOMBING AND ALL OTHER ACTS OF WAR AGAINST EORTH VIETNAM. HERE, AGAIN, IS THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETNAM PREPARED TO GIVE sonE RECIMOCAL UNLBHTAKINCS? MOREOVER, ARE WE RIGTT IK ASSUMING THAT THE MERE CESSATION OF THE BOMBING or NORTH VIETNNNMHICL WAS IN EFFECT FOR S0 TLE RECENTLY-IS NOT SUFFICIENT IN THE VIEW.OF THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETNAM TO PROVIDE EVEN THE BASIS FOR DISCUSSIONS LOOKING TOWARDS A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT? ARE THERE OTHER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WHICH THE GOVT OF EEE NORTH VIETLAM EXPECTS TO BE MET EXTIEI AS A TOKEN OF WILLINGNESS ON THE PART OF THE USA TO NEGOTIATE SERIOUSLY McRd ON THE FOUR POINTS, OR WERE GENERALLY AS A BASIS FOR ANY KIND OF CONTACT, DIRECT OR INDIRECT, BETWEEN THE PARTIES* 4. THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETNA! HAS UNDOUBTEDLY STUDIED THE FOURTEEN POINTS WHICH HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD BI THE USA AND PARTICULARLY THE STATEMENTS THAT THE USA WISHES NO BASES IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, THAT IT HAS NO DESIRE TO RETAIN TROOPS IN SOUTH VIETNAM' AFTER PEACE IS ASSURED, THAT THE QUESTION OF REUNIFICATION SHOULD BE DETERMIHED BY THE VIETNAMESE THROUGH THEIR OWN FREE DECISIONS AND THAT POLICIES OF NOUALIGLOENT CR NEUTRALITY IF ADOPTED BI THEIR OWN CHOICE WOULD EOT BE OPPOSED BY THE USA A3 POLICIES FOR THS COUNTRIES OF SOUTHEAST ASIA. EXT IBA (6/64) rPPAKIO nit WE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KKOa IN WHAT MESPCT3 THE FOUATEEN POINTS DO HOT .../3 ______________________ _______ -___________________ ' 000389 1 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur faeces a finformation ' .*3- 1 PPGAi TO MEET THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF NORTH VISPNAM. IF I IS NOT A MATTEL OF THE POINTS THEISBLVES, BUT OF THE IMTENTIONS BEHIND TEE POINTS, IS THE GOVT OF NORTH VIETM INI ERESTED IN OBTAINING CLARIFICATIONS FROM THE USA. 5. WE HAVE FELT IT NECESSARY TO ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN CLARIFICA. TION OF NOATi VIETNAM’S POSITION BECAUSE THE IHPAESSION IS WIDELY HELD AMONG EANY COUNTRIES THAT NORTH VIETNAM BELIEVES THAT IT CAN. HOLD OUT IREFINITELY, UNTIL ITS CW-TERMS ARE FULLY HET. THIS EVIDENT INSISTENCE ON A MILITARY SOLUTION CREATES AN IMPRESSION OF RIGIDITY WHICH TENDS TO STRENGTHEN THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO i ADVOCATE THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE MILITARY RESPONSE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SOUTH VIETNAM. THIS IN TURN HAS SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS FOR NORTH VIETNAM AND IS A SOURCE OF LEGITIMATE ANXIETY FOR OTHER NATIONS LESS DIRLCTLY CCMITTED OR INVOLVED. 6® . THE CANADIAN GOVT HAS NOTED THE WILLINGNESS EXPRESSED ON BOTH SIDES TO ENVISAGE A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT IN VIETNAM. AS FAR AS THE GOVT GF NORTH VIETNAM IS CONGSRNSD, WE TAKE THIS WILLINGNESS TO BE CONTINGENT ox CERTAIN CONDITIONS BEING MET IN ADVANCE. WHAT CONCERNS US IS THAT, WILE THE PRESENT SITUATION WITH ALL THE RISKS IT INVOLVES FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND SECURITY CONTINUES, THERE SEEMS TO BE A COMPLETE ELOCKAGE OF ALL CHANNELS THAT MIGHT BE USED TO BRING THE POSITIONS OF THE TWO SIDES' CLOSER TOGETHER® ARE THERE ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IN kHICI THE GOVT OF NORTH VILTNA WOULD BE PPARED TO SEE SUCH CIIANNLLS OPERED 7 000390 EXTI8A(3/04 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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HEOEO HANOI DE SAIGH REF TE1 104 FEB11 VISUS CF DRYN LEADERS ON F£ BIO THE LAST FULL DAY OF NY FIRST VISIT TO HANOI 31 AS RE VEDACCCNPANIEDBY VILetR,GY FOREIGN EJRIETER NGUYEN BUY Ta /tPGA ////Sdk AND Fe PHAN VAN DONG. THE CALL-ON PRINCE NAD SHORTER THAN OTHERS - MADE AND HE XA1) LITTLE TC SAY ABOUT Ti5 VIETNAM SITUATION, f. BECAUSE HIS VICE-MINISTER HAD EXPLAINED IN FAMILIAR TERN QUOTE REALITIES UNQUOTE CN PREVIOUS DA.FCR1S MINISTER SAID IN 1 HR PEARSONS STATEEENT REGRETTING THE RESMP110N OF BONBING AMD C DECISION NOT RPT NOT TO SEND TROOPS TO VIETNAM HAD ETEN 5081 STH APPRECIATION BY DAVN CQY122 I SAID THAT IT WAS CDAS IC ' 10 HEL: FIND AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE S GLUT I CO BY FORCE OF VIET! 01 B0BLS AND. THAT THIS 151 AS DEN SI RATED BY OUR CONTINUED PARTICPA710N IN CGMiSSIGN,NE FFSFCNDED THAT PRESIDENTS PCS RFe CENT LEI HAD REQUESTED CB TO FCLPI) S nESPoSUZ1.1 US GENDER CF CCNM1310N AND HE SUGGES70 21432 CADEi SK0UL 1500 CE OF prPiCLT115 IN Wt OF PRoene ITE NA.. 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' ?.t » 1 1 1.3 000384 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 107 IN VIETNAM AS QUOTE FAIRLY GOOD UNQUOTE AND HOPED IT WOULD CONTINUE IT WOULD NOT RPT NOT BE A CORRECT ATTITUDE FOR CDA- QUOTE TO FULLY SUPPORT UNQUOTE THE USA RULING CIRCLES BECAUSE CDA UNDERSTANDS QUOTE BOTH THE SCHEMES OF THE USA AND THE DIFFICULTIES IT FACES UNQUOTE.AFTER REHEARSING-THE EXPANSION OF USA EFFORTS IN VIETNAM AND STATING THAT AN EVEN GREATER INCREASE OF QUOTE USA EXPEDITION . ARY POROT UNOUOTE WOULD ALSO BRNG NO RPT NOT IPRCVEMENT OF USA POSITTON,PM EXPRESSED DRVNS WISH THAT ODA WOULD RECOGNIZE THE SITUATION MORE CORRECTLY AND BRING A CONTRIBUTION TO ITS IMPROVE" RENT, 4,DONG SUGGESTED THAT EVEN THE CLOSEST FRIENDS OF USA WERE NOW AWARE OF THE REAL NATURE OF ITS. ACTIONS IN VIETNAM. THERE HAD BEEN NO RPT NO GOOD FAITH WHATEVER IN TNE PEACE DRIVE AND THE HONOLULU ' MTG SHOULD DEMONSTRATE THIS CLEARLY TO EVERY ONE. HIS OBVIOUS IMPLICATION VAS THAT CDA, WHOSE GOODWILL DONG STRESSED SEVERAL TEES, SHOULD SHOW ITS QUOTE DISAPPROVAL UNOUOTE 07 USA POLICY IN VIETNAM MORE CLEARLY. - 5. TOWARDS THE CONCLUSION OF HOUR LONG AUDIENCE, PHAM VAN DONG RECALLED THE GOOD RELATIONS HE HAD HAD WITH PAST CDN COMMISSI ONERSs PARTICULARLY SHERWOOD LSTTxHE ASHED THAT HIS GREETINGS BE CONVEYED TO MR PEARSON.HE THEN MADE AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL THAT WE DO. WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP VIETNAMESE PEOPLE WHOSE ONLY DESIRE IS FOR PEAC: AD. AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THEIR COUNTRY ON THEIR 0, 6. MY IMPRESSION OF DRUN LEADERS I BET AND PARTICULARLY P1A! VAN , o * 000385 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I’information ClR 107 Y ARE CCMVNCR OF THE CUCTE COARECT218S U2GU(TE THAT :62180 OF EVENTS IE VI ETNA i 70 CU/1 A5 $70002 10 ACHI; 7 D ARE (S DE D WHAT THEY 22430) ■ CGMPLET10N GT THEIR RNUOLUNCIWHTLE i DO HOT RAT NOT WISH TO EV 7 IN t OUM WIND,DCNGS EPHASS ON THE RAISE FALSE HGI TY OF CONENUD COMMUNICATION AMD. THE MRC FACE THAT X CTEDYY HiGH 1155028(00022 APART PRoi AS RECVE AT BOTH THESE FACTORS VI TH SUSECT R27T2 24 C5/S MNZNC TO REALIZE ITS (SMAT10M . 70 HAY MEAN THAT LAVA IS (7 IN EZ 1 '■i : IC GRIEG EVEN A TEMPORARY SHPT UN T 1.) COMPLET70 CP THE R2VCLU7GN IS TO 25 ACHIENED.3 WAS GUN HO RPT HO DIREGT IERCAT10 THAT THEFT IS THE INTNr(9 TO 00 ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONTINUE THE STRUGGLE ACAINST 002 ' THE USA INTEMVENTSCNSTS AMD THEIR PUPPETS UNQUOTE IN ITS PRESENT POR.BUT I CONSIDER THAT WE SHOULD BE ALERT FOR ANZ SIGN WHETHER IM HANOI OH ELSEWHERE THAT A CHANGE O’ TACTICS Y . UNDER CQNSID2/7102 M00RE TC0t 1200202 TCR:10250% 000386 OK] � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00063 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 44 - text of Rusk letter and Minister's reply with related departmental memorandum Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource multiple dates Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020928 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/c87aea87742500c2f40949cb3148ca2a.pdf 8ed97baed3bcba99d68672a8ba1918d6 PDF Text Text L 2o— I Document disclosed under the Afcess to Information Act- 1 4 APPENDIX 7 .’V A TOP SECRET CANADIAN EYES. ONLY ‘ February 10, 1966. MEMORANDUM FOR THE MIIGIBTER Reply to Mr. Rusk’s letter of February 5 Mr. Rusk makes three main points: The need to handle with great care the (1) American comments on Vietnam which were provided for Ronning’s background information; (2) His concern that Ronning's trip will have a somewhat more official and formal stamp than he had previously understood, and; His concern over the possibility that (3) Ronning might discuss problems relating to Chinese representation in the United Nations. Rusk also refers in passing to discussion of questions of recognition. I am attaching for your signature, if you concur, ' 2. a reply to Mr. Rusk which deals with these various points. You will note that this reply informs Mr. Rusk that Ronning will be travelling on two passports. Ronning at present holds a diplomatic passport issued before his departure from' Canada containing the following inscription "Special Representative with the Rank of Ambassador". I am not aware of the Americans having access, to information regarding this inscription. Indeed, I have the impression they may be whistling in the dark because this inscription does not imply the "formal accreditation as your special emissary" referred to in paragraph 2 of Mr. Rusk’s letter. In arriving at the designation of "Special Representative with the Rank of Ambassador" we were guided by the following considerations: 0.04 ... 2 000375 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information TOP SECRET - 2 - CANADIAN EYES ONLY , Ronning must have some status which would (1) lend credence to his assignment in Hanoi and which would persuade the DRVN authorities, who have no special connection with Ronning, to accept him. Since Ronning is a retired ambassador, (2) there is nothing out of the ordinary in his being described as having the rank of ambassador. This description is important in Oriental terms in order to allow him access to the people he must see if his visits are to be productive. (3) A precedent exists in the case of Mr. Pierre Dupuy, who is described as having the rank of ambassador. The current request from the PAVN Liaison Mission for an aide memoire regarding Ronning's visit to Hanoi confirms the view that Ronning requires to be given some status in connection with his visit to Hanoi and I therefore recommend that we maintain his current designation for that portion of his trip. 3 It is possible to argue, however, as is done in the attached reply to Mr. Rusk, that the visit to Peking is of a different and a more personal nature. I therefore propose, if you agree, to issue Ronning with a separate diplomatic passport for the Peking portion of his trip containing the following inscription "Former High Commissioner for Canada to India (with the Personal Rank of Ambassador)”. 4. The latter paragraphs of the reply to Mr. Rusk have been prepared in accordance with the brief I have submitted to you separately suggesting the line which Ronning might take in discussing Chinese questions in Peking. It seems to me that Mr. Rusk’s letter provides an excellent opportunity to reiterate our view of the need for early and close consultation on the Chinese representation item. I have just learned from Charles Ritchie that this view is very much shared by Rusk and that he would expect to have a first discussion of these issues with you in Washington next week. M.C. ( 000376 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information : File ■ I O/SSEA Far Eastern/P.A. McDougall/rd 0/USSEA Mr. Goldschlag Diary SECRET PERSONAL ■ February 10, 1966 huce 0 Thank you for your letter of February 5 in which you outlined some of your concerns about Chester Ronning’s visit to Hanoi and Peking. Although I think Chester was already aware of your restrictions on the background thinking contained in your responses to the series of Japanese questions on Vietnam, I have, since receiving your letter, made it absolutely clear to him that'this is for his background use only and must not be quoted as the American position. I can assure you, therefore, that the sensitivity of this material will be fully protected. I have noted your concern that Ronning’s designation might give his trip a somewhat more official and formal stamp than had previously been understood, I am | glad you raised this point, which is one that I have myself had very much in mind, and I think you might be interested in a brief resume of how we are handling this problem. There has never, of course, been any question of Ronning’s being given any sort of formal accreditation as my spacial emissary. Our action in this matter has been governed by the differences we see in the nature and requirements of the visits to the two capitals and, over and above this,: the nature of Canada’s relations with the two governments, in the case of Hanoi, we have a special relationship with the DRVU through our membership on the International Commission and Ronning’s talks with North Vietnamese leaders would, of course, be based on this special relationship, I have considered it necessary to give Ronning a status consonant with our role in the Commission which would The Honourable Dean Rusk, Secretary of State, Washington, D.C., U.S.A, 2 000377 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information SECRET - 2 - PERSONAL lead the Hanoi authorities to accept his presence. He will, therefore, be travelling with a passport designating him as special, representative with the rank of ambassador. The latter portion of this designation is, of course, related to Ronning’s personal rank within the diplomatic service. His visit to Peking is of a different nature, resulting as it does from a personal invitation and long-standing connection with China. He will in this case be carrying a separate.diplomatic passport designating him in the manner customary for retired ambassadors of the Canadian Foreign Service. I am glad that you raised the question of th© other discussions in which Ronning may find himself engaged in Peking. As far as questions of bilateral relations between Communist China and Canada are concerned, he may, of course, be exposed to views which, on a personal basis, his Chinese contacts would wish to put to him. However. I look upon this aspect of his conversations as being Very much a listening operation and have no intention that this particular subject should at this stage be the object of discussion, let alone negotiation. Chinese representation in the United Nations raises somewhat differ ont considerations. I would certainly agree that this is not the stage to discuss questions of substance with or to put propositions to people in Peking. I have, however, been increasingly concerned in the past few months at the attitude which the Chinese themselves have been talcing towards the United Nations, starting with their announced support for a rival organisation at the time of Indonesia’s withdrawal and culminating in Marshal Chen Yi's statement on the United Nations in his press conference last Septembor. Indeed, you may recall that after the vote on the Chinese representation item I issued a statement in which I drew particular attention to what looked like new Chinese demands and conditions. I expressed the hope at that time that some means could be found before the next General Assembly to obtain further clarification of Peking’s intentions regarding membership in the United Nations. The need to obtain this clarification is_considered particularly important by the Canadian government and is a subject which I have discussed with Secretary-General U Thant in some depth in recent months. 000378 �Ir . Document disclosed under the'Access to Information Act,_ Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information 4 SECRET • 3 • PERSONAL It is my hope that’Ronning’s talks with Chinese leaders will provide an opportunity to probe Chen Il’s conditions and will perhaps provide us with information which can help our own consultations and review of the situation. Again, in this area, Ronning’s brief will be very much a listening brief and we will certainly wish to discuss wich you whatever information he may be able to obtain. In this connection, I entirely agree with your remarks about the need for early and close consultation on the Chinese representation issue and I was glad to learn through Charles Ritchie that you also looked upon our meeting next week as a good first opportunity of starting the ball rolling. With warmest regards# Yours sincerely# G0%Z 000379 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act .. Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information COPY TOP SECRET CANADIAN EYES ONLY February 5, 1966 Dear Paul: As you know, Averell 'Harriman and William Bundy talked to Chester Ronning during his visit to Washington on January 26 and 27, and Walton Butterworth has subsequently discussed the trip with the Prime Minister and yourself. We of course have no objection whatsoever to Ronning's going to Hanoi and Peiping to see what he can find out about their positions on Vietnam. We welcome any constructive initiative that might indicate a glimmer of light on the situation, which so far we have not seen. For this purpose, we have been happy to supply you with our background thinking on some of the key problems, as contained in the responses we had made to a series of Japanese questions addressed to us before Foreign Minister Shiina's visit to Moscow. I do emphasize that this material is for background use only and must not be quoted as the American position, covering as it does several points which would probably lie a considerable distance down the road if and when useful discussions began. I must, however, express a shade of concern at the information that we have just had from Walton Butterworth that Ronning's passport will apparently carry the appearance of a formal accredition as your special emissary with the personal rank of Ambassador. This gives the trip a somewhat more official and formal stamp than we had previously understood. I am also more seriously concerned at the possibility that Ronning may find himself engaged in discussion, especially in Peiping, of the problems relating to Chinese representation at the UN and even, if I understand your last conversation with Walton Butterworth correctly, questions of recognition. While the latter is of course always a matter for your Government to determine for itself, the issue of UN representation is one on which we have always . consulted closely and I hope will continue to do so. At the present moment, we have of course not had the occasion for a really good discussion in the light of developments during the last General Assembly session, indeed, we ourselves have not come to anything like a clear assessment of probable trends during the year, and these could in any event be influenced by wider developments and conceivably by the course of events in connection with our present resort to the Security Council. In short, I simply have not been ready as yet to make up my own mind exactly what course may become necessary, and I would hope very strongly that you have in mind nothing more than a listening brief for Ronning in this area, and even that only if the issue may be raised on the other side. /2 000380 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act. Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information TOP SECRET CANADIAN MYES ONLY -2 Frankly, as I have repeatedly said to you, we ourselves still see very grave disadvantages in any move to seat Communist China in the UN, and .of course would be adamantly opposed to any initiative to do so at the expense of the Republic of China’s-position in any respect, much less with the acceptance of the kind of conditions Peiping repeatedly laid down last fall. We have repeatedly recognized that it may be important at some stage to associate Communist China in disarmament discussions, but I am bound to say again that the kind of forum proposed in the World Disarmament Conference seems to us least likely to produce constructive results and most likely to produce extraneous pressures relating to the Chinese Communist position in the UN. In sum, I think we shall both have a great deal of thinking to do on this subject in the-months ahead and I hope that in the first instance we can do it on a very confidential basis between ourselves. I have therefore welcomed the indication that you are not discussing the Ronning trip with any other Government, and I would end by repeating my hope and assumption that he will be listening only as to any matters other than Vietnam, and that in any event we shall have a full opportunity to talk over with you whatever he picks up in any area. With warmest regards, Sincerely, Dean Rusk 000381 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00062 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 43 - Wasihngton telegrams 290 and 291, Ronning briefing with Bundy Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 28-Jan-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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CC Av - 22-7/‘S -22 - / FM WASHDC JAN28/66 SECRET CDN EYES ONLY LIMITED DIST TO EXTERNAL 290 PRIORITY INFO LDN EMBPARIS PERMISNY TT CANFORCEHED DE OTT BAG TOKYO DE OTT SAIGN DELHI MCOW WSAW VENTN PNMPN DE LDN VIETNAMsUSA POSITION FOR JAPANESE FOLLOWING IS TEXT OF QUESTIONS ON VIETNAM BY JAPANESE GOVT AND ANSWERS PROVIDED BY USA JANI 1,IN CONNECTION WITH JAPANESE INTENTION TO DESP SPECIAL PEACE EMISSARY TO COUNTRIES INVOLVED IN VIETNAM CONFLICT.SAME TEXT IS TO BE GIVEN TO YOU IN OTT BY USA AMBASSADOR; WE ARE TOLD THAT WHILE USA ANSWERS DO NOT RPT NOT ADD SIGNIFICANTLY TO PUBLICLY STATED USA POSITIONS,TEXT HAS SO FAR RECEIVED VERY LTD DISTRIBUTION;IN USA EMB TOKYO FOR EXAMPLE ONLY AMBASSADOR AND DCM. MAY HAVE SEEN IT.ADDRESSEES PLEASE PROTECT.QUOTE QUESTIONiWHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR USA TO INITIATE THE PEACE MOVE AT THIS TIME WHEN THE MILITARY SITUATION IN VIETNAM IS NEITHER DECISIVELY FAVORABLE NOR DECISIVELY UNFAVORABLE? ANSWER:USG HAS INITIATED INTENSIVE PEACE MOVES AT THIS TIME,WHEN . MILITARY SITUATION IN VIETNAM MAY BE ONLY AS DESCRIBED,BECAUSE IT BELIEVES HANOI MUST NOW BE WELL AWARE THAT ULTIMATE MILITARY RESULT CANNOT RPT NOT BE FAVORABLE TO THEM AND THAT USA IS DETERMINED TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY.IN ADDITION,USA IS RESPONDING.TO INDICATIONS, ESPECIALLY FROM SOVS AND EASTERN EUROPEAN COMMUNIST NATIONS,THAT SUSPENSION OF BOMBING MIGHT PERMIT EXERCISE OF SOME MODERATING INFLUENCE BY THESE NATIONS ON HANOI,AND PERHAPS EVEN AROUSE LATENT MODERATE VOICES WITHIN HANOI ITSELF. 000364 2 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information i t PAGE TWO 290 QUESTION 2SQUOTE IN THE EVENT NORTH VIETNAM SHOULD AGREE TO COME TO THE CONFERENCE TABLE,WHAT DOES USA ANTICIPATE WILL BE THE RESULTANT SITUATION IN SOUTH VIETNAM? QUOTE IS IT NOT RPT NOT POSSIBLE THAT SUCH A CONFERENCE MIGHT UNDERMINE THE EXISTING MORALE,CAUSE THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE GOVT TO FALL INTO DEFEATISM,AND BRING ABOUT CONFUSION IN SOUTH VIETNAM? QUOTE ALSO,IN VIEW OF THE PAST EXPERIENCES,IS IT NOT RPT NOT POSSI- BLE THAT THE LEADERS OF THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE GOVT,WHO ARE AWARE OF SUCH DANGER,WOULD OPPOSE THE HOLDING OF A PEACE CONFERENCE,PARTICULARLY A CONFERENCE WHICH MIGHT COMMIT USA TO THE EVENTUAL WITHDRAWAL OF USA FORCES? ANSWER:IF DRV SHOULD NOW AGREE TO NEGOTIATE,USA ANTICIPATES THAT IMMED DISCUSSIONS SHOULD REVOLVE AROUND QUESTION OF WITHDRAWAL OF ALL ELEMENTS INTRODUCED BY DRV INTO SVN AND CESSATION BY DRV OF ITS DIRECTION AND SUPPORT TO THOSE CARRYING ON ARMED ACTION AGAINST SOUTH.THERE MAY ALSO BE DISCUSSION OF POLITICAL STRUCTURE INCLUDING POLITICAL RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS NOW IN VC.AS TO REDUCTION OR CESSA- TION OF HOSTILITIES,USA ENVISAGES THAT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME REDUCTION ON RECIPROCAL BASIS,BUT THAT MAJOR MILITARY OPERATIONS MIGHT HAVE TO CONTINUE DURING NEGOTIATIONS INASMUCH AS FULL CEASE-FIRE IS EXTREMELY COMPLEX PROBLEM UNLESS,AS NOTED ABOVE,OTHER SIDE SHOULD AGREE THAT SVN WOULD BE FREE TO RESTORE LAW AND ORDER THROUGHOUT COUNTRY UNDER CEASE-FIRE. ALTHOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME INITIAL DOUBTS IN SVN,WE BELIEVE THAT ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS OF ENTERING INTO NEGOTIATIONS CAN BE MET BY j 000365 �I • Document disclosed under the Access' to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information PAGE THREE 2 90 FIRM CONDUCT OF NEGOTIATIONS THEMSELVES.IT IS POSSIBLE THAT DRV ENTRY INTO NEGOTIATIONS WOULD HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON MORALE OF VC, SO THAT NET EFFECT MIGHT BE AT LEAST NEUTRAL AND PERHAPS EVEN FAVORABLE. AS TO ATTITUDE OF LEADERS OF SOUTH VIETNAMESE GOVT,WE BELIEVE THEIR CONCERNS COULD BE MET UNDER SAME CONDITIONS AS STATED ABOVE. USG WOULD EXPECT ADHERE TO POSITION THAT ITS FORCES COULD BE WITH- DRAWN ONLY WHEN EXTERNAL INTERFERENCE OF DRV HAD BEEN EFFECTIVELY WITHDRAWN AND SAFEGUARDS ESTABLISHED.THIS WOULD NOT RPT NOT EXCLUDE SOME PHASING OF USA WITHDRAWAL, BUT THIS WOULD ALWAYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TOTAL SECURITY SITUATION WITnIN SVN.OFFICIAL POSITION OF GVN SET FORTH BY FOREIGN MINISTER DO JUN23 THIS YEAR ANTICIPATES WITHDRAWAL OF USA AND OTHER FOREIGN FORCES QUOTE WHEN AGGRESSION i HAS CEASED.UNQUOTE QUESTI ON3: QUOTE THE 8TH OF THE 14 POINTS PRESENTED TO PRIME MINISTER SATO BY VICE PRESIDENT HUMPHREY STATES,QUOTE WE DO NOT RPT NOT DESIRE TO RETAIN USA TROOPS IN SOUTH VIETNAM AFTER PEACE IS ASSURED.UNQUOTE QUOTE(A)DOES USA GOVT INTEND TO WITHDRAW ITS TROOPS AFTER THE UNIFI- CATION OF SOUTH AND NORTH VIETNAM IS ACHIEVED?(IN OTHER WORDS, WILL USA TROOPS REMAIN IN SOUTH VIETNAM UNTIL THE UNIFICATION AS THEY DO IN KOREA?) ORs QUOTE(B)WILL USA TROOPS WITHDRAW BEFORE THE UNIFICATION IS ACHIEVED SO LONG AS INFILTRATION FROM THE NORTH IS STOPPED WITH CERTAINTY? QUOTE(C)WILL THEY WITHDRAW IN A WAY THAT ENABLES THEM TO RETURN TO SOUTH VIETNAM WHEN THERE IS AN INDICATION OF RESUMED INFILTRATION? ...4 000366 �Document disclosed under the Access, to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de'la Loi sur l'acces a I'information. P..GE FOUR 2 90 ANSWER: (A) WITHDRAWAL OF USA FORCES IS VISUALIZED IN TERMS OF FREEDOM OF SOUTH FROM EXTERNAL INTERFERENCE, RATHER THAN IN TERMS OF ACHIE- VEMENT OF REUNIFICATION,WHICH IN USA VIEW SHOULD BE DETERMINED BY SUBSEQUENT FREE POPULAR DETERMINATION IN BOTH HALVES OF VIETNAM, (B) WITHDRAWAL OF USA FORCES IS RELATED IN PART TO CESSATION OF INFILTRATION BUT EVEN MORE ACUTELY TO WITHDRAWAL OF ELEMENTS ALREADY INTRODUCED FROM NORTH,SO THAT THREAT OF EXTERNAL INTERFERENCE IS EFFECTIVELY REMOVED. (C)QUESTION OF ANY SUBSEQUENT RETURN OF USA FORCES TO SVN WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED IN CONTEXT OF OVER-ALL SAFEGUARDS AGAINST INFILTRATION.IN THIS CONNECTION,WE WOULD NOT t RPT NOT EXCLUDE POSSIBILITY THAT SEVERAL NATIONS MIGHT JOIN IN SOME FORM OF GUARANTEE TO SVN THAT THEY WOULD TAKE EFFECTIVE JOINT ACTION IN EVENT OF RESUMED INFILTRATION.THE USG VISUALIZES THAT GVN WOULD IN ANY CASE REMAIN ENTITLED TO CALL FOR EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE IN THIS EVENT. FOMIN DOS JUN23 STATEMENT ALSO COVERED THIS POINT. QUESTION4:IS THERE ANY CONCERTE PROPOSAL AS REGARDS THE GUARANTEE AGAINST INFILTRATION FROM THE NORTH,SUCH AS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A SUPERVISORY ORGANIZATION? ANSWERSUSG DOES NOT RPT NOT HAVE A CONCRETE PROPOSAL FOR GUARANTEES AND SUPERVISION AT THIS TIME.WE HAVE CONSIDERED THIS QUESTION AND THERE APPEAR TO BE VARIOUS POSSIBILITIES RANGING FROM VERY MAJOR STRENGTHENING OF PRESENT ICC ORGANIZATION TO POSSIBILITY THAT SUPERVISORY MECHANISM MIGHT BE CREATED UNDER UN OR OTHER MULTILA- TERAL AUSPICES. 5 000367 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information - PAGE FIVE 290 •QUESTIONS:WHAT CONCRETE FORM IS DESIRABLE IN USA GOVTS VIEW FOR THE UNIFICATION OF SOUTH AND NORTH VIETNAM QUOTE THROUGH THEIRCTHE VIETNAMESE)OWN FREE DECISION UNQUOTE? QUOTE THE 14 POINTS STATES THAT QUOTE THE QUESTION OF REUNIFICATION SHOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE VIETNAMESE THROUGH THEIR OWN FREE DECISION.UNQUOTE DOES THIS IMPLY THAT USA GOVT NOW TAKES A MORE FLEXIBLE ATTITUDE CONCERNING THE FORM OF REUNIFICATION? QUOTE ALSO,WHAT VISION DOES USA GOVT HAVE FOR VIETNAM AFTER THE UNIFICATION?(IS A UNIFIED BUT LEFTIST-ORIENTED VIETNAM TOLERABLE TO USA GOVT?) ANSWERJUSA VISIALIZES SOME PROVISION CALLING CLEARLY FOR FREE I POPULAR DETERMINATION UNDER EFFECTIVE INTERNATL SUPERVISION ON REUNIFICATION IN BOTH HALVES OF VIETNAM.THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH BASIC USA POSITION ON THIS SUBJECT IN VIETNAM,AND ALSO IN GERMANY AND KOREA. USG IS NOT RPT NOT CLEAR AT THIS STAGE WHETHER PRECISE c DATE COULD BE SET FOR SUCH POPULAR DETERMINATION,OR WHETHER MATTER MIGHT BE LEFT FOR EXAM BY TWO VIETNAMS THEMSELVES OR BY SOME GROUPING OF EXTERNAL NATIONS. SHOULD THE PEOPLE OF THE TWO VIETNAMS ELECT REUNIFICATION,USG BELIEVES THAT IT WOULD BE FOR GOVT OF UNIFIED VIETNAM TO DETERMINE ITS DOMESTIC AND EXTERNAL POLICIES. QUESTIONGsIT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT,IN THE UNFORTUNATE EVENT OF THE FAILURE OF THE PRESENT PEACE OFFER,USA WILL HAVE TO START NEW FIRM MEASURES.WHAT KIND OF MEASURES IS USA GOVT CONTEMPLATING? IS THERE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING MILITARY ACTIONS ...6 000368 1 �Document disclosed under-the Access to Information Act Document dIVulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a information / PAGE SIX 290 IN THE FORM OF THE BOMBING OF HANOI OR HAIPHONG OR THE REINFORCED BOMBING OF HO CHI MINH ROUTE IN LAOS? ANSWER:IN EVENT THAT PRESENT PEACE OFFER FAILS,USG WILL RESUME NECESSARY MILITARY ACTIONS,AND ONLY THOSE NECESSARY TO OBJECTIVE OF’RESTORING SOUTH VIETNAM FREE OF’EXTERNAL INTERFERENCE.IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AT THIS STAGE TO STATE JUST WHAT MILITARY ACTION MIGHT BE REQUIRED AS THIS IS DEPENDENT ON ACTIONS OF OTHER SIDE,ALTHOUGH USG REMAINS DETERMINED TO DO MAXIMUM TO HIT ONLY TARGETS OF VALID MILITARY CHARACTER AND NOT RPT NOT ATTACK CIVILIAN POPULATION CENTERS AS SUCH. QUESTION?:IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT USA HAS BEEN PROPOSING EITHER UNCONDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS OR NEGOTIATIONS PRECEDED BY RECIPROCAL CESSATION OR REDUCTION OF HOSTILITIES. QUOTE IF NORTH VIETNAM PROPOSES TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE ONLY PRECONDITION OF THE CESSATION OF THE BOMBING OF NORTH VIETNAM,WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO USA? ANSWER:AS NOTED ABOVE,USG COULD NOT RPT NOT ACCEPT CATEGORICAL CESSATION OF BOMBING OF DRV UNLESS THERE WERE SATISFACTORY RECIPROCAL CHANGES IN MILITARY ACTIONS BEING CONDUCTED BY DRV AGAINST SVN,IN OTHER WORDS, QUOTE CLEAR STEPS TOWARD PEACE BY OTHER SIDE.UNQUOTE QUESTION8:SEC RUSVVK STATED THAT,WHILE USA CAN ACCEPT THREE OF NORTH VIETNAMS FOUR CONDITIONS,IT CANNOT RPT NOT ACCEPT THE THIRD CONDITION,QUOTE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEMS IN SOUTH VIETNAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROGRAMME OF THE VIETCONG.UNQUOTE WE ARE OF ...7 000369 �* 2 - Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi surl'acces a /'information PAGE SEVEN 290 THE VIEW THAT THE DIFFICULTIES FOR USA LIE IN THE FACT THAT THE VIETCONG WOULD DICTATE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE SOLUTION,RATHER THAN i' IN THE CONTENT OF THE PROGRAMME ITSELF.WHAT IS THE VIEW OF USA? i UNQUOTE ANSWER: THIS QUESTION APPEARS TO RELATE TO FACT THAT PUBLISHED PROGRAM OF SO-CALLED NLF CONTAINS TWO ELEMENTS,POLITICAL STRUCTURE FOR GOVT ITSELF THAT WOULD CALL FOR IMMED COALITION,AND CERTAIN ELEMENTS I THAT RELATE TO DOMESTIC POLICIES OF GOVT ONCE INSTALLED. FUNDAMENTAL DIFFICULTY THAT USA FINDS IN THIS PROGRAM DOES RELATE PRIMARILY TO FIRST OF THESE ELEMENTS,WHICH APPEARS TO CALL FOR MAJOR,AND WE BELIEVE DOMINANT,ROLE.FOR NLFCAND THUS HAN 01)IN A GOVT THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED TO REPLACE PRESENT GOVT AT OUTSET. WE BELIEVE THAT GIVEN EVEN THE MOST CHARITABLE VIEW OF WHAT NLF ■ MAY REPRESENT IN SVN,IT REPRESENTS ONLY ONE ELEMENT IN THE POPULATION,OTHER ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE CATHOLICS BUDDHISTS SECTS MONTA- GNARDS,LABOR UNIONS,PROFESSIONS ETC,-MUST ALSO BE CONSIDERED.AS TO THE DOMESTIC POLICY PROPOSALS OF THE PROGRAM OF THE SO-CALLED NLF, THESE ARE MATTERS FOR THE DETERMINATION OF THE SOUTH VIETNA- MESE GOVT;IT MAY BE NOTED THAT MANY OF THE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD ON THEIR OWN BY THE PRESENT SOUTH VIETNAMESE LEADERS. UNQUOTE. 000370 �-22-//47s- 75/- ov Document disclosedftqgl^i^^^ssfitDjnformation Act liiciunent divulgue en rtr^S/^ia^raq^Kces g-l'informgtion z / -r ACTIONopy FM WASHDC JAN28/66 TOPSEC CANADIAN EYES ONLY TO EXTERNAL 291 PRIORITY - (e /. 3e ) - 22/2al 8-2- VIETNAM:RONNINGS TRIP WILLIAM BUNDY,ASSTSEC FOR FAREAST,CONTACTED ME TODAY TO SAY THAT SEC RUSK APPROVED.IDEA OF RONNINGS TRIP FROM USA POINT OF VIEW AS HE(RUSK)WELCOMED QUOTE ANY CONSTRUCTIVE INITIATIVE UNQUOTE. RONNING WAS A SKED TO BEAR IN MIND HOWEVER THAT QUOTE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS UNQUOTE MIGHT TAKE PLACE AT TIME OF VISIT.IT WAS CLEAR FROM CONTEXT THAT THIS WAS INTENDED AS REF TO POSSIBLE RESUMPTION OF BOMBING. 2.RONNING AND I HAD VERY USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE TALK WITH BUNDY YESTERDAY.BUNDY SAID THAT USA ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS RECENTLY POSED BY JAPANESE MIGHT PROVIDE APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND MATERIAL FOR RON- NING;THOSE ANSWERS ARE BEING GIVEN TO YOU IN OTT AND HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED TO US HERECOURTEL 290). 3.WHEN RONNING ASKED WHETHER BILATERAL TALKS BETWEEN USA AND DRVN WERE POSSIBLE,BUNDY SAID THAT SUCH TALKS HAD BEEN OFFERED TO HANOI DURING PRESENT PAUSE AND THAT RONNING MIGHT SUGGEST TO DRVN THAT USA REMAINED WILLING TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THEM AT LEAST INITIALLY. IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO ARRIVE AT A QUOTE PREDIGESTED CONCLUSION UNQUOTE IN SUCH A FORUMCHE APPARENTLY MEANT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE FORMULA WHICH WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY FORM BASIS OF AGREEMENT AT A WIDER CONFERENCE).BUNDY STRESSED THAT DISCLOSURE TO SVN OF USA WILLINGNESS TO TALK BILATERALLY TO DRVN COULD POSE VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS. 4.BUNDY SAID ONE THING THAT-MIGHT BE WORRYING NORTH VIETNAMESE wss**OG,"T“G ...2 000371 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces d.^information | PAGE TWO 291 WAS THAT ELECTIONS MIGHT BE HELD WHILE USA TROOPS REMAINED IN VIETNAM AND THAT THIS WOULD MEAN RIGGED ELECTIONS.THIS COULD BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN USA AND DRVN.USA THOUGHT ELECTIONS SHOULD COME AFTER BOTH USA AND NORTHERN FORCES HAD LEFT .TIM I NG WAS A CIRCULAR • PROBLEM;IF ELECTIONS COULD NOT RPT NOT BE HELD TILL TROOPS WERE WITHDRAWN,TROOPS COULD NOT RPT NOT BE WITHDRAWN TILL SECURE CONDITIONS PREVAILED,AND SECURE CONDITIONS WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR HOLDING OF ELECTIONS.THERE COULD CONCEIVABLY BE A STAGED WITHDRAWAL OF USA AND DRVN FORCES PARI PASSU. 5.FREE ELECTIONS IN SOUTH MIGHT BE IN TWO STAGES; FIRSTLY ELECTIONS AT PROVINCIAL LEVELCON ANALOGY OF ELECTIONS HELD LAST YEAR)AND SECONDLY GENERAL ELECTIONS UNDER PROPER INTERNATL SUPERVISIONCICC OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM). 6.THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF PART WHICH VC MIGHT PLAY IN SVN POLITICAL LIFE AFTER A SETTLEMENT.BUNDY SAID THAT THIS WAS A KEY PROBLEM. THERE WOULD BE NO RPT NO DIFFICULTY IN HAVING INDIVIDUAL VC MEMBERS PARTICIPATE IN POLITICAL LIFE.IT WAS CONCEIVABLE THAT THEY MIGHT ALSO BE ABLE TO FORM OWN PARTY,PERHAPS UNDER NAME OTHER THAN COMMUNIST . BUT AS INDICATED BY GREEK AND MALAYAN CASES THIS WAS COMPLEX PROBLEM WHICH DEPENDED LARGELY ON WHETHER LIBERATION FRONT WOULD BE PREPARED TO FUNCTION AS NORMAL POLITICAL PARTY OR CONTINUE ITS CLANDESTINE ACTIVITY. 7.RONNING STRESSED THAT MAIN ISSUE MIGHT WELL PROVE TO BE REPRE- SENTATION OF NLF AT CONFERENCE TABLE BECAUSE OF LIKELIHOOD THAT DRVN WOULD CONTINUE TO INSISTCAS AT GNEVA IN 1962)THAT ITS OWN ...3 000372 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information PAGE THREE 291 FORCES .WERE NOT RPT NOT OPERATING BEYOND ITS BORDERS.BUNDY AGREED THAT THIS WAS A CRUCIAL ISSUE.USA WAS EXAMINING VARIOUS FORMULAE TO DEAL WITH PROBLEM. 8. BUNDY INDICATED THAT USAS 14 POINTSCOURTEL-19 JANA)WERE INTENDED 1 P 0- T c . TO BE MERELY A COMPILATIONOF USA-POETSTHONS UP TO THAT TIME; HE D IMPLIED THAT THEY WERE NOT RPT NOT NECESSARILY LAST WORK,NOR A RIGID STANCE.SOME OF LANGUAGE IN POINTS MIGHT BE SENSITIVE FROM DRVN POINT OF VIEW.WORD QUOTE AGGRESSION UNQUOTE IN POINT 13 HAD SLIPPED IN;IT COULD BE REGARDED AS NOT RPT NOT LITERALLY THERE RITCHIE e C* V I 000373 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00061 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 42 - texts of Ho Chi Minh letter and Prime Minister's reply Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource multiple dates Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020926 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/d38c831b24c48ded6ca9e1d09882a253.pdf 4c815cc4faadff3656d6668ec27b13df PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a /'information - _taskt . . "... " Gaedtj . ee . tg 8 *#08252* . . . ■ : ---=======-===-=================================-== 4 tArorabkes====ra=======dk=======dp========2==xibb=rz=i==z=d=x==id====z=======P====S=z=k==a====z=a==s=====ih=====lb=i==l===i== srteonT 0“ i _1a • a ; • 0s : .3#: $4 - I ■ * pr - N ' 3 A L 4 ■- 12 . . ■. : 1 t' ws tp- ■ President Ho Chi Minh to Prime Minister Pearson .. ... ■ . **i / . 4 i 50 ? ■ .d .. ■ ■ q ■ . .2 ; • 4 . '' 0 t ■■ . *i . . 1 . A ■ • B] -. ■ ■ ' R 29 ■ ■ ■ : ■ 8 a pt l • _ e : c U* 07 ■ Your Excellency: I have the honour to call your attention to the war of aggression waged by J U.S.A, imperialists in our country, Vietnam. As is known to you, over the past 11 years and more, the U.S.A, has been seriously sabotaging the 1954 Geneva Agreement and preventing the peaceful . reunification of Vietnam in an attempt to turn South Vietnam into a U.S.A, new-type colony and military base. It is now waging a war of aggression and * / • barbarously repressing the patriotic struggle of our fellow countrymen in the | : South. At the same time, it tries to draw experience from this war to repress t the national liberation movement in other countries. In an endeavour to get out of, the quagmire in South Vietnam, the U.S.A, | imperialists have massively increased the strength of the U.S.A, expeditionary corps and sent in troops from a number of their satellites to wage direct y aggression in South Vietnam. They have also launched air attacks on the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, an independent and sovereign country, and .2 a member of the Socialist camp? While intensifying and extending the war of aggression in Vietnam, the U.S.A, imperialists are clamouring about their “desire for peace” and their “readiness to engage in unconditional discussions”, in the hope of fooling world public opinion and the American people. Recently, the Johnson administration has initiated a so-called “search for peace”, and put forward a 14-point proposal. As an excuse for its war of aggression in South Vietnam, it claims that it is “keeping its commitment” to Saigon, a puppet administration; it slanders the patriotic struggle of the people of South Vietnam, calling it “an aggression by 5 A I 0 " I; ./ in Vietnam. This letter was tabled in the House of Commons on February 9. Mr. Pearson’s reply, dated February 28, was delivered by Mr. Chester Ronning when he subsequently visited Hanoi as a special representative of the Canadian Government. The text of this reply was tabled by the Secretary of State for External Affairs, the Honourable Paul Martin, at a meeting of the House of He Commons Standing Committee on External Affairs on April 4. The texts of the two letters follow: A ■■ • • P On January 24, 1966, President Ho Chi Minh of the Democratic Republic k 2. • of Vietnam (North Vietnam) wrote to Prime Minister Pearson about the situation f r ■ • .. gis ' tvi AN EXCHANGE OF LETTERS ■ 1 Fin Canada and North Vietnam f - H 4. . . F2 APPENDIX ========= ■ ‘ R ■ 182 / EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 000359 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information J * North Vietnam”. This deceitful contention can in no way rule out the solemn C declaration made by the U.S.A, in-Geneva in 1954 that “it will refrain from f the threat of the use of force to disturb them, that is the Geneva agreements”. i (And many other countries which are concerned about the Vietnam situation.)111 4 Still less can President Johnson’s hypocritical allegations conceal U.S.A. crimes j in Vietnam. The U.S.A, talks about respecting the Geneva Agreements. But one of L:. j the main provisions of the said agreements bans the introduction of foreign i troops into Vietnam. If the U.S.A, really respects the Agreements, it must withdraw all U.S.A, and satellite troops from South Vietnam. It is crystal clear that the U.S.A, is the aggressor who is trampling under "foot the Vietnamese soil. The people of South Vietnam are the victims of . aggression and are fighting in self defence. If the U.S.A, really wants peace, it must recognize the South Vietnam National Front for Liberation as the sole , genuine representative of the people of South Vietnam, and engage in negoi tiations with it. In accordance with the aspirations of the people of South i ‘ Vietnam and the spirit of the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Vietnam, the National Front for Liberation is fighting to achieve independence, democracy, s peace and neutrality in South Vietnam, and to advance towards the peaceful reunification of the fatherland. If the U.S.A. really respects the right to selfdetermination of the people of South Vietnam, it cannot but approve this correct - programme of the National Liberation Front. 2 The 14 points of the U.S.A, boil down to this: the U.S.A, is trying hard to j cling to South Vietnam, to maintain there the puppet administration rigged up §3 by it, and to perpetuate the partition of Vietnam. I' / ■ In his January 12 message read before the U.S.A. Congress, President — Johnson affirmed that it was the policy of the U.S.A. not to pull out of South f Vietnam, and he forced the Vietnamese people to choose between “peace and 12 the ravages of conflict”. That is an impudent threat, an attempt to impose on 5 the Vietnamese people the conditions of the so-called U.S.A, “unconditional V ‘discussions”. P3 i The Vietnamese people will never submit to the U.S.A, imperialists’ threats. 2 : : At the very moment when the U.S.A. Government puts forward the P so-called “peace efforts”, it is frantically increasing U.S.A, strength in South is Vietnam. It is stepping up the terrorist raids, resorting to the “scorched earth” 1 policy, burning all, destroying all, using napalm bombs, poison gas, and toxic If1, chemicals to burn down villages and massacre the civilian population in vast htareas of South Vietnam. y \ I strongly protest against such extremely barbarous methods of warfare. I 3, earnestly call on all peace-loving governments and peoples the world over to is resolutely stay the hand of U.S.A, war criminals. (1) Sentence in brackets still unverified si" 183 ■I ! s: Ya s ) to. ■ Hr 2 . — ril yi ■ ** ******* *4*19544*9,8 P 4 " i' t - I Ps #, " R : i *. j 5 " jdp • f se *, - ks, e-======= * ********** -hsseunmssntbso**o*syes*anmRr*5*5Rts 0s ■' 2 -. 1: • ( s i? ..000360 ' �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act: Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces d. I'information 8m : i - ;■. . : -: 2 -hREF ■ ! _ rym**n**5****RPR=2eem=k ** C_ € * '. : ■ = . ’ 1 : * = .**====== 2201 * 3 wo *eg 1i ' fl 3 $ ■ I a a [ t-"ih ■ . h id IJ 4 ■ J ■' T I I ■ ■. I ■■ pke ■ : i 2 'I4 i . ■ S d ■■ — - .3 aas j ■ 8 .■ •3 $5 ■: 9 1 5 . 3 • 3 ■ 3 .M ■ ' -; Pt 4 •4 The U.S.A, keeps sending its planes on espionage flights in preparation for new air attacks on the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. On the other hand it continues launching air attacks on many areas in the Kingdom of Laos, and multiplying armed provocation against the Democracy of Cambodia thus posing an even more serious menace to peace in Indochina. Obviously, the U.S.A, “search for peace" is only designed to conceal its schemes for intensified war of aggression. The Johnson administration's stand remains aggression and expansion of the war. To settle the Vietnam question, the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam has put forward the four-point stand which is an expression of the essential provisions of the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Vietnam. This is a stand of peace. Having gone through over 20 years of war, the Vietnamese people desire peace more eagerly than anyone else to build their life. But real peace can by no means be dissociated from genuine independence. So long as the U.S.A, army of aggression still remains, on our soil, our people will resolutely fight against it. If the U.S.A, really wants a peaceful settlement, it must accept the four-point stand of the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and prove this by actual deeds; it must end unconditionally and for good all bombing raids and open war acts against the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Only in this way can a political solution to the Vietnam problem be envisaged. Your Excellency, Canada is a member of the International Commission for Supervision and Control for the implementation of the 1954 Geneva Agreement on Vietnam. In face of the extremely serious situation brought about by the U.S.A, in Vietnam, I hope that your Government will fulfill its obligation under the Geneva Agreements. Prime Minister Pearson to President Ho Chi Minh Dear Mr. President, I have read with interest your letter of January 24, which was addressed to Canada as a member of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Vietnam. You will not expect me to share the interpretation of the nature of the problem in Vietnam and the origins of the present conflict which is set forth in your letter. I do not believe, however, that it would serve any useful purpose at this time to dwell on our differences, other than to note, that they exist. What concerns me. as it does the people of Canada, is the tragic, toll in human suffering and the threat to international peace which the continuation of the conflict in Vietnam involves. I am convinced that the use of force is not an. acceptable means of attaining political objectives in the world as it is constituted today. That is why Canada has urged all parties to the conflict in Vietnam to pursue a course of ■ S : ■ 3 ■ 'I ' 184 / EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 30 t.( E ■• 5 •’ r s t £ s ( < i a :• ( ft " t Sia 5 1 ( ( 5 * ) k . 1 2 * 3 5" < . . toi f. i f i ex 50 | : ly k I* * f‘.s 000361 �1. Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a l' formation .I .. f s (N negotiation. It is in this direction that we see the prospects of a fair and lasting settlement, which will take account of the freely expressed aspirations of all P the people of Vietnam. J For these reasons I have been deeply disappointed by the failure so far of | i. i 1 8 | f 7 :a all efforts to promote unconditional discussions on Vietnam. I have carefully studied the positions which have been put forward by the main parties to the conflict. While these positions are still very far apart, I believe that they show some common elements on which a foundation of peace can be built. , It is not for Canada to prescribe to the Vietnamese people how they shall order their political life and institutions. That is for the people of Vietnam themselves to decide freely when the time comes. But the present course of developments in Vietnam is a source of legitimate concern to the international community and it is my firm hope that it can be reversed before all avenues to a peaceful settlement are closed. ?! .A il t ; L 81 7 ■ . A • 34■ 44 f In your letter you refer to the obligations which the members of the J International Commission for Supervision and Control have in the serious current 3 . situation in Vietnam. As a member of that Commission, Canada has at all J* times endeavoured to carry out its obligations in a spirit of objectivity and | .impartiality towards the facts as we know them. I can assure you that we will S1 1 t . 6• ' • is 98 < ‘8. ,• a ; t g continue to do so to the best of our capacity. 1 I also hope that the International Commission may be able to play some Y " part in helping to restore peace in Vietnam. It seems to me that, by virtue of | its long association with the problem and the advantage of access it has to >| all the parties to the present conflict, the Commission is in a unique position t to play such a part. As far as my Government is concerned, it is prepared to | explore all possibilities that may be open to the Commission in present circumstances to exert its efforts in the direction of peace. ’. j h r 05 7 . $3 “d • i 2503 t t • s: 1 jht . 3 : —i> 4 at Yours sincerely, Lester B. Pearson. $ qa 3 • 2 >1 ry - 4. y Sd r a ■ i■ tt I — ‘‘z qiny 1 % ‘s5 1/2 3 at ft. 4 ./ W .3 s V 3) J9. 84 185 I. .34 988 T s 3 • 23 $ ' ■w 4 Y "2****6t1**6r***4****8*r***-****05=r 17* ****6***=*,**** ************ * 0* 1 , Po aor . -= zaa=kkRp*e=o===== =E*trkety* $ i 6r M*l R, y=r=sh*tt ,7 - e, He*: meyywt” ' .. / / ■■' 000362 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00060 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 41 - the text of Ottawa telegram Y-66 to Saigon authorizing new Commissioner, Moore, to proceed to Hanoi and to initiate Ronning visit Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 27-Jan-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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Collins MESSAGE DATE. , 0* ARRSberment J/vL/aue en vertu de h 2/43 SECURTT: 4 v 1-66 SAIGON INFO WASHDC ( FOR AMBASSADOR ONLY) TOP SECRE FFECEDENGE (/ RO TO/A SFCUJRITY FILE/DOSSIER JAN 27/66 EXT OTT /2 - r 26220/£72 OPNND R - ' % YOURTEL 48, JAN 22 AND OURTEL Y-62, JAN 26 REE k" ) VISIT TO HANOI SUB/SUJ FOLLOWING FOR COMMISSIONER ONLY: MINISTER HAS DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL AT THIS STAGE OF DEVELOPMENTS IN VIETNAM 33 5 53 • 0j J NV CRISIS, TO TAKE SOUNDINGS OF GOVERNMENT OPINION IN PEKING AND HANOI AND TO CONVEY EXPRESSION OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS VIEWS IN THESE CAPITALS. CHESTER RONNING HAS AGREED TO UNDERTAKE THIS SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT . RONNING WILL CARRY DIPLOMATIC PASSPORT BUT ASSIGNMENT WILL HAVE CHARACTER OF QUOTE SPECIAL VISIT UNQUOTE RATHER THAN MORE FORMAL DESIGNATION OF QUOTE SPECIAL MISSION UNQUOTE. YOU SHOULD TAKE FIRST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCEED . 2. TO HANOI. THIS WILL BE FOR OSTENSIBLE PURPOSE OF MAKING YOUR INTRODUCTORY CALLS. ON REACHING HANOI YOU SHOULD SEEK IMEDIATE INTERVIEW WITH CHIEF OF PAVN LIAISON MISSION. YOU SHOULD -NFORN HA VAN LAU THAT CANADIAN GOVERNMENT HAS ASKED RONNING ( WHO WILL BE KNOWN TO HA VAN LAU AS SENIOR CANADIAN REPRESENTATIVE AT WSTRI BUTION C AL/LOCALE ■ NO STANDARD 10 cc. Far Eastern (not done in Division) APPROYED/A ICRISE DIVISION TELEPHONE ORIGINATOR/REDACTEUR SIG............ . .......................... ................... . * WT..Delwotb./ah ........... EXTIG/DIL (REV 0/G4) IPAtARARH),* erIo10 Pecet s. FAR EASTERN 2-6307 SIG........... 000356 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur i'acces a I'ir formation 2 61-62 LAOS CONFERENCE) TO MAKE SPECIAL VISIT TO HANOI TO CONVEY ' Az R y. MESSAGE PERSONALLY TO PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER OF NORTH VIETNAM AND TO DISCUSS VIEWS OF NORTH VIETNAMESE GOVERNMENT WITH RESPECT TO PROBLEMS IN VIETNAM. WE WOULD VERY MUCH HOPE THAT NORTH VIETNAMESE GOVERNMENT WOULD AGREE TO RECEIVE RONNING AND THAT THE NECESSARY ARRANGEMENTS COULD BE MADE. YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO COMPLETE (ON RONNING’S BEHALF) ANY VISA APPLICATION FORM WHICH MAI BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PURPOSE. DETAILS OF PASSPORT, ETC., CAN BE SUPPLIED LATER, IF REQUIRED. 3. WE WOULD HOPE THAT VISIT COULD TAKE PLACE FIRST PART OF FEBRUARY ALTHOUGH TIMING WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DEPEND ON HOW LONG IT MAY TAKE FOR ARRANGEMENTS TO BE AGREED TO BY HANOI, AND ON AIRLINE SCHEDULES. YOU MAY INFORM NORTH VIETNAMESE AUTHORITIES THAT ACCORDING TO PRESENT PLANS, WE ENVISAGE RONNING PROCEEDING TO HANOI FROM SAIGON ( AND RETURN) VIA COMMISSION AIRCRAFT. 46 IF THIS QUESTION IS RAISED BY NORTH VIETNAMESE AUTHORITIES YOU MAY MAKE IT CLEAR TO THEM THAT RONNING’S ASSIGNMENT IS NOT RPT NOT TO BE SEEN AS CONTINUATION OF SEABORN’S ORIGINAL MANDATE. 5. IT HAS NOT YET BEEN DECIDED WHETHER RONNING IS TO PAY. A CALL ON SOUTH VIETNAMESE AUTHORITIES AS PART OF HIS ASSIGNMENT-s • THERE ARE STRONG ARGUMENTS IN FAVOUR OF HIS DOING SO AND YOU MAY BE SURE THAT THESE WILL BE FULLY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE FINAL . DECISION IS TAKEN. 6. YOU WILL APPRECIATE THAT SECRECY IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO SUCCESS OF THIS EXERCISE. . WE RECOGNIZE THAT, IN ARRANGING FOR RONNING’S TRIP TO HANOI AND BACK, YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH COMMISSION CHANNELS. FOR THIS PURPOSE YOU SHOULD TAKE LINE THAT RONNING IS COMING TO VIETNAM ON SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT TO REVIEW ECT IBA(0/34) (COMk‘9 DIv) COMMISSION PROBLEMS IN LIGHT OF GENERAL POLITICAL DGVELOPrTNTS SINCE'INSPECTION TEAMS VISIT OVER A YEAR AGO. (A6/00X 000357 \/ � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00059 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 40 - copies of memoranda to the Minister and the Prime Minister concerning the preliminary planning for the Ronning Mission Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 20-Jan-66 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020924 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/9508c93cb61326d3142ab47e996cf4ab.pdf 93ff30e702c40c00c53c37719109aa1e PDF Text Text Document disclosed unde^^-Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS k January 20,1966 TOP SECRET / 1 MEMORANDUM FOR: THE PRIME MINISTER Special Visits to Vietnam and China I propose, if you agree, to ask Chester Ronning to undertake special visits to Vietnam and China. These visits would be focused on the Vietnam problem. Their purpose would be to make an oral presentation of Canadian views in Hanoi and Peking and to sound out attitudes in the two capitals with respect to a settlement of the present conflict. With this object in mind a set of talking points is being prepared for Ronnings use. 2. In proposing these visits I have been guided by a number of considerations. I believe that public opinion in Canada would welcome an initiative by the Government which could be presented as a contribution to the search for peace in Vietnam. In present circumstances no such initiative is open to us directly through the Commission. The proposed visits would make sense in Canadian terms because of our long-standing involvement in the Vietnam problem and Ronning’s personal associations with senior personalities in Peking. 3. I have also had in mind the clear invitation extended by the United States to other countries, including Canada, to help in whatever way they can to move the Vietnam problem from the battlefield to the conference table. It seems to me that, however things may shape up in Vietnam in the months to come, such influence as we may have in Washington in relation to this problem could be enhanced if we respond to the invitation in a way that is regarded as useful from the United States point of view. ...2 2/,/. ,20r) 000348 j �Document disclosed under theA^fe^sto Formation Act Document divulgue en vertu de laim'i ni/rMceS d I'information / o Y- C APPDDC TOP SECRET January 21, 1966. MEMORANDUM FOR THE MINISTER Special Visits to Vietnam and China I attach for your signature3 if you agree, a memorandum for the Prime Minister which explains, in broad outline, how you envisage the conduct of this operation. I shall be submitting to you shortly a series of talking points which will indicate the content we would be giving our approaches in the two capitals. S k / 4 t Z A 4/ A Mo-l .+ ) " Me C. )7 44 I 64 , 44 02. z 2 2/r-—-*lnL* 2 )M Cel ‘: 4 *6*. • )"* f 1) A WW 9 )/ e 4 /l C - G,1 /o. </ A 334 7r2s2 X Tsy 2 < 6 1 **68M i ! C(A2 • //- //{{/. , cCAym2 * —/ A. cru7.7 1. P, A, 1 / 461.1 • 0 . ‘ 6*3t ' ; /z / / 2 >7 f , 44 p. • ‘ *h * / / 1; 1. r < > 1 . - i 7 ! ■ ! / X , /. . •- * / /.* ' • ' 000349 E �* Document disclosed under theAccess to InformationAct Documentdivulgue en vertu de la Loi surl'acces a /'information 21//6 J h £s *// .0C —< - -J Po / / APPNNDIX i TOP SECRET January 21, 1966. MEMORANDUM FOR TIE MINISTER Special Visits to Vietnam and China I attach for your signature, if you agree, a memorandum for the Prime Minister which explains, in broad outline, how you envisage the conduct of this operation.. I shall be submitting to you shortly a series of talking points which will indicate the content we would be giving our approaches in the two capitals. i M. C 7WwA, 2ne 1/ „tA Z, oy — / / ? de 47 . /0 A J ‘ 1 . 7 CAomj - V 0) 2)55/A D I: \ w PA :1144/149 P 7 1. U 0 P) -7 •* " N 4 2)300 w7 0< J v -6 , A 4 /— CSSAZ. LL / </ / 3 7 : . * 412114/ /P8n Cevi , .4 | i 0 v >. Ii uz / - // &(/* - —I ' , .... l 1.) / | b 1 ‘o (a , ***** h A1z/ / /-4; j&, t , . /‘,+ • • 41* !* oi j 000350 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur I'acces a I'information SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EXTERNAL January 20,1966 MEMORANDUM FOR: FA""C TOP SECRET THE PRIME MINISTER Special Visits to Vietnam and China I propose, if you agree, to ask Chester Ronning to undertake special visits to Vietnam and China® These visits would be focused on the Vietnam problem. Their purpose would be to make an oral presentation of Canadian views in Hanoi and Peking and to sound out attitudes in the two capitals with respect to a settlement of the present conflict. With this object in mind a set of talking points is being prepared for Ronnings use. In proposing these visits I have been guided by a number of 2. considerations, I believe that public opinion in Canada would welcome an initiative by the Government which could be presented as a contribution to the search for peace in Vietnam. In present circumstances no such initiative is open to us directly through the Commission, The proposed visits would make sense in Canadian terms because of our long-standing involvement in the Vietnam problem and Ronning’s personal associations with senior personalities in Peking. I have also had in mind the clear invitation extended by 3. the United States to other countries, including Canada, to help in whatever way they can to move the Vietnam problem from the battlefield to the conference table. It seems to me that, however things may shape up in Vietnam in the months to come, such influence as we may have in Washington in relation to this problem could be enhanced if we respond to the invitation in a way that is regarded as useful from the United States point of view. ...2 2/,/. 000351 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur'J'acces a /'information* - 2 - TOP SECRET Although I would not put it higher than that, there 4. is just a bare chance that our approaches in Hanoi and Peking may add something to the total picture as it is known. At a minimum, this would provide us with an opportunity at what may be a critical juncture to form an independent assessment of attitudes in the two capitals. We cannot, of course, exclude a refusal by the authorities in Hanoi to’ receive a Canadian representative whatever his credentials.. Even in that event, however, I would consider that some of the objectives behind the proposed initiative would be met. 5. The itinerary we envisage would take Ronning through Saigon to Hanoi and back to Saigon by the Commission courier aircraft. tHe would then proceed to Hong Kong and enter China from there. I consider that the assignment should be broken into two parts, with the Hanoi visit coming first, in order to emphasize the need to approach Hanoi in a Vietnam (and Commission) context rather than in the context of Hanoi as subservient to Peking. While this distinction may not be reflected in the substance of Ronning’s discussions in the two capitals, we believe that a separation of the two visits in this way would have considerable presentational advantage. 6. I am still considering the desirability of having Ronning . call on someone in Saigon. This would be designed as a courtesy call and not for the purpose of acquainting the South Vietnamese with'the nature of his assignment. I am inclining to the view that this would be an appropriate gesture in terms of our friendly relations with South Vietnam and the growing sensitivity of the South Vietnamese Government in the face of the current diplomatic offensive. I would plan to have arrangements made for Ronning to visit 7. Washington briefly before his departure from Canada. This would, in no way be intended to alter the purely Canadian character and content of his assignment. I do think,however, that we should not embark on this project without giving the Americans an opportunity to comment on any special aspects to which they may attach particular importance. Ronning also knows Harriman well from the Laos Conference and this would give him an opportunity of getting a full briefing on where ....3 000352 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act' Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information -3 - TOP SECRET the United States peace probe now stands. We will be consulting Ritchie as to how Ronning’s visit might best be handled. 8. We shall be seeking Ronning’s advice as to the best way of approaching the Chinese with a request for a visa. He has a longstanding invitation from Marshal Chen-Yi to visit China and may wish to use this channel on a personal basis, at least in the first instance. In any case, I think you will agree that we should avoid • using non-Canadian channels if possible. ' We have established contacts in Hong Kong which would be available to us if Ronning preferred to proceed in this way. As regards North Vietnam, we propose to use the Commission channel, either by having our Commissioner present the request for a visa on his first visit to Hanoi or by having the Canadian delegation office in Hanoi do so on the Commissioner’s behalf. 9. in the case of China we would make it clear,, if necessary, that although Ronning’s visit was of an essentially personal nature, he would take the opportunity of conveying a message from the Canadian Government. In the case of North Vietnam, Ronning has no special locus standi and his visit cannot be presented as a personal one. The request for a visa will, therefore, have to be based on the fact that he is coming on specific instructions from the Canadian Government,as a member of the International Commission, to present a message.. In all the arrangements being proposed I have naturally borne 10. in mind the need to avoid any implication of recognition of Communist China. The conversations proposed would not in my view constitute a government to government exchange. Ronning would be approaching the Chinese largely on a personal basis. In doing so he would be continuing a dialogue on Indochina questions, which commenced when he was the senior Canadian representative at the Laos Conference in 1961-62 at which the Chinese were also represented. The justification for a statement of Canadian views and a probing of Chinese attitudes through the medium of Ronning would rest on this previous association. 11. I have also made it clear in my preliminary conversations with Ronning that, if the subject were to be raised .with him in Peking, he would have to indicate that he was not authorized to discuss Canadian recognition of Communist China. He should, however, be encouraged, I think, to take advantage of any opportunity that may present itself 000353 �Document'di'sclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information - 4- TOP SECRET to probe current Chinese intentions as regards their representation in the United Nations. This would go some way towards meeting the point you made when this issue arose in the General Assembly last autumn and to which an oblique reference was subsequently made in the Government’s statement of November 17. 12. I would propose to engage Ronning on a extract basis with a fessional fee. On the understanding that his assignment would cover a period of 21 days, I have in mind offering him a fee of $150 per day in addition to his expenses. This would not be out of line with fees being paid by the Government for similar services and would also not affect his pension payments. I think that until the operation gets under way and while 13. it is in progress, secrecy would be an essential element of its success. We should, however, be prepared for the possibility that Ronning’s trip and the involvement of the Canadian Government might become public knowledge. In that event, we would confirm that Mr. Ronning is visiting Hanoi and'Peking; that he has had close associations with China and served as Senior Canadian Delegate at the Laos conference at which Canada, North Vietnam and Communist , China were represented; that in order to help us form. our own judgement of attitudes in Hanoi and Peking at what may be a critical juncture in the Vietnam conflict, we have asked him to discuss this question with authorities there; and that until the visits are completed, it would not be appropriate to comment further. If the news of Ronning’s visits does not break prematurely, we shall want to consider what to say publicly after the completion of his assignment. The content of any public statement at that time would naturally depend on what Ronning has to report. 14. I would be grateful for an opportunity to discuss the foregoing proposal with you P. M. 000354 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00058 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 39 - copy of the full text of briefing paper Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource ? Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020923 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/df54ed1c3e2d64b9d095029f5cf3338c.pdf 1bb0ae510eca1548bfba0664c87dcdda PDF Text Text ■'. Document disclosed under the Access to Informi Document drvulgue en vertu dg la Loi sur l'acces a l‘ APPJMNDIX 39 - ; i TIP SFCNET C.NADIdSVRSA]:LY B.IWPIG FD PIME ill-ISTR, C)LU IBL. AIVE CE.E.DNIES, SEPTT 3433 16, 1964____________ . • __ VIITT1 The political upheavals in South Vietnam in August, and more recently the attempted military coup last weekend. have provided further evidence of continuing instability in that country; the present government, although it was able to frustrate the plans of. two (and possibly more) disaffected generals,, does not seem to have taken hold as well as was hoped last January, arid its authority is constantly being contested - apart from the Viet Cong - by a variety of political groupings .. and religious organizations and by factionalism within the armed loreos themselves. Whatever domestic political arrangements General Khanh is able to make before the expiry of the October deadline agreed to with the Buddhists and the students, will clearly have to encompass mutually satisfactory representation for the Catholics, the Buddhists and the armed forces. It is legitimate at least towondor whether, in the light of the record and the suspicions aroused over the past year, such a coalition would ever speak with one voice especially in the purposeful pursuit of the anti-insurgency war. Whatover the outcome of General Khanh’s 2. immodiate efforts, the political prospects for. South Vietnam can be characterized as somber at best. The implication of this for the success of present US policy in Vietnam suggests the need to begin looking for a more long-torm solution. There have been some fairly clear indications 3. that China and the Soviet Union may be heading toward a showdown around Jecembor,.and if this happens it could . Involve the development of new priorities in Chinese foreign policy and a re-development of Chinese efforts and resources in foreign relations. Preoccupation with increasingly hostile relations with the Soviet Union might conceivably lead Poking leaders to a reassessment of Chinese interests elsewhere, and a desire to lessen the danger of direct engagoment in Indochina, especially in Vietnam. If an open rift between the Soviet Union and China 4, were to develop this coming ’'inter, it would come at a propitious time for the United States government to take advantage of it. ‘ith the elections successfully over, President Johnson might find hlasolf in a position comparablo to that of President joosevelt in 1932 ’-’hen, for similar reasons, opportunities presented thomsolves ith more freedom of for new policy initiatives. manoeuvre than it has had for the pust year in Vietnam 000344 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I’information - 2 . ( the U.S. administration might be in a stronger position, if acceptable terms could be arranged, to.modify its commitment to a course of action whose continuation could have disastrous results. Thus the New Year might conceivably find the 5. Chinese ready to reconsider their policy in Indo-China and the Americans politically able to make more satisfactory and durable arrangements.. Specifically a bargain which could, in these circumstances, look attractive to both parties might involve a United States military . withdrawal from South Vietnam in exchange for Chinese and North Vietnamese acceptance of the existence of South Vietnam as an independent non-aligned sovereign state: in other words a return to something like the 1954 settlement. Consideration might even be given to going beyond the Geneva concepts to arrange a moro positive political solution. The claims, as espoused by Hanoi • and Peking, of the Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (the Viet Cong organization) to a voice in South Vietnamese affairs would have to be withdrawn — which would represent a more significant concession by North Vietnam than by China. All proposals for "reunification by free elections" would be’avoided in the bargain but the possibility of establishing some confederal institutions to deal with such problems as trade, postal services, free or limited movement of families, etc., might be left open to appeal to North Vietnamese interests. If in these circumstances China and North Vietnam continued to refuse to "leave South Vietnam alone" and re-embarked on a programme of guerrilla warfare or political subversion the threat of active and substantial United States military intervention might prove a more persuasive deterrent than the present programme of material assistance and advice to outh Vietnam. The swift aria determined response of the United States to the recent Tonkin Gulf provocations might lend credibility to this argumont. If the Chinese and North Vietnamese passive reaction to this vigorous American action can be taken to indicate that they were unable to do anything else, then-an anticipated Chinese preoccupation with a threatening Soviet position could lead to an oven more persuasive assessment of United States intentions and capabilities. 6. It might therefore Just conceivably be possible to arrango a bargain on Vietnam and possibly on Laos .as specific and limited measures of accommodation. On the other hand, depending on Chinese preoccupations and demands, no less than on how strong the U.S. administration might feol itself to be, an Indochina settlement might form part of a broader U.S. effort to come to terras with China, even involving recognition. 7. The difficulties in the way of bringing about any such deal are obvious, since tho Communist leaders both in oking and Hanoi must feel that things in South Vietnam are going thoJr way. n the other hand it is Just conceivable that by broadening the area of negotiations to cover not only Indo-China but tho general field • of Chi nose- estern relations, a . sottlement aicht bo’found. If so, it would put the "est on u new course in tvo areas where sooner or later an adjustment seems inevitable and esirable in our own interests. ...3 .000345 �r Document disclosed under the Access to Infownatior^c^^ Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a./'information - 3 The above is put forward as a possible basis 8. for very informal discussion with President Johnson. Whether or not he would be prepared to speculate on these lines, there would be advantage in drawing him out on how he does see the future of Western involvement in South Vietnam, i I' t8o 1 - 000346 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00057 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 38 - telegrams Y-170 to Warsaw, Y-184 to Delhi, Warsaw telegram 212, Ottawa telegram Y-34 to Delhi Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource multiple dates Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP EA_2023_020922 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Subject The topic of the resource Vietnam Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/52b0cd25bac09c78f6bf701b49a37ec5.pdf b0270cea0a6df2233886ed76adaafa42 PDF Text Text paessKBEXSEosscepdezsneAccesscorjorme •=,9 an vertu de la Lot sur l acces a Zi P ' file7' diary ’. divisional - Mr. Collins MESSAGE EXT OT7 72 — TO/A WARSAW INFO < D/Y 5 • J FILE/DOSSIER DATE FM/DE Ceud •7 / FEB 16/65 CONED. PRECEDENCE NO Y-170 “y DELHI LDN MASIfC PERMISMYCCANFCICEHEDEMBPLRIS GENEVA I SEOJRIY SECURITE OPIKMED ' PRIORITY MOSCOW VIENNA STOCKHOLM HELSINKI BELGRADE PRAGUE RC - SAIGON PHNOMPEH VIENTIAi CANBERRA WELLINGTON HONGKONG REE SU8/$UJ OURTEL Y-157 OF FEB 14 VIETNAM: POSSIBLE ROLE FOR INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION I SHOULDBE GRATEFUL IF YOU COULD PRESENT THE FOLLOWING. f MESSAGE FROM ME TO F.M. RAPACKI AT EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY. == -- .. . BEGINS: I HAVE BEEN GIVING CONSIDERATION TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ' INTERNATIONAL CONISSION IN VIETNAM TAKING SOME ACTION WHICH MIGHT CARRY US SOME WAY FORWARD TO A NEGOTIATION. TO THIS END, I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INDIAN HIGH COMMISSIONER HERE AS WELL AS WITH YOUR AMBASSADOR. 2, 1. AM UNDER NO ILLUSION ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE OVERCOME IF THE OBJECTIVE - WHICH I AM SURE OUR TWO GOVERNMENTS SHARE - OF A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT TO THIS PROBLEI IS TO BE ACHIEVED. IT SEEMS TO ME, HOWEVER, THAT OUR METOBERSHIP IN THE VIETNAM COMISSION GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION IN THIS DIRECTION. INDEED, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT CRITICISM BEING . DIRECTED AT THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF ITS APPARENT INACTIVITY IN THE FACE OF A SITUATION WHICH IS OF GROWING INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. . . /2 DISTRIBUTION LOCAL/LOCALE NO STANDARD ORIGINATOR/RZDACTEUR SIG. ..... .. 10 co. Far Eastern (Not done in Division) DIVISION FAR EASTERN TELEPHCNE 2-6807 APFRGVEO/ATCRISE SIG...PAM.L A7I89 EXTfS/BfL (REV 8/64) (COMMUNICATIONS DIV) 000332 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l^accesta^'informgtion 2 3. I AM AWARE, FROM OUR COMMISSION ASSOCIATION AND MOST RECENTLY FROM REPORTS I HAVE SEEN OF THE CONTENTS OF YOUR PRESIDENTS REPLY TO PRESIDENT HO CHI MINH’S LETTER OF JAN 24, THAT THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VIEWS OF OUR TWO GOVERNMENTS ON THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM IN VIETNAM. WHAT MATTERS MOST AT THIS STAGE, HOWEVER, ARE NOT OUR DIFFERENCES, BUT WHETHER THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES FOR A COMMON POSITIVE APPROACH TO THIS PROBLEM THROUGH OUR COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP. I WOULD, MYSELF, STRONGLY FAVOUR SUCH AN APPROACH AND HAVE BEEN DIRECTING MY THINKING TO THE POSSIBILITIES THAT MAY BE OPEN TO US. I WOULD HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS TO YOUR AMBASSADOR IN DUE COURSE. IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD BE VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOUR REACTION TO THE GENERAL IDEA OF A COMMISSION INITIATIVE IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES ENDS. MARTIN, 0 000333 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Dbcumen t divuIgggRW^ sur f,acc^ a nnformation 0 . -ile MSSACc . ' di cry . divisional 4 ( r. Collins DATE ( '' 7/-/3-/=7-7030 /9 FEB 21./6h FM/DE EXT OTT TO/A DELHI INFO SAIGON LDN WASHDC, PERMISNY EMBPARIS NATOPARIS GNEVA CONFD. PRECEDENCE NO OPIIED Y.18) 4/4/ I WSAW MCOW CNBRA WLGTNCANFORCEHED RY PAD: HYONG VEIJTN REE SUBLSU. SECURITY SECURITE FILE/DOSSIER / PNMPN VIETNAM t I SHOULD BE GRATEFUL IF IOU COULD DELIVER FOLLOWING . MESSAGE TO SWARAN SINGH AT EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY. BEGINS: AS YOUR HIGH COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE REPORTED TO YOU, I HAVE BEEN GIVING THOUGHT TO THE POSSIBILITIES THAT BAY BE OPEN TO US AS MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION IN VIETNAM TO BRING THE' PRESENT CONFLICT CLOSER TO A NEGOTIATION. I AM WELL. AWARE OF THE DIFFICULTIES WHICH ANY SUCH COMMISSION INITIATIVE IS LIKELY TO FACE. NEVERTHELESS IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT OUR COMMON MEMBERSHIP IN THAT ORGANIZATION 'PRESENTS US NOT ONLY WITH AN- OPPORTUNITY, BUT WITH AN OBLIGATION TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN DO ANYTHING WHICH WOULD CARRY US AT LEAST A STEP OR TWO ALONG THE WAY TO A PEACEFUL NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. 2. I WAS PLEASED TO HAVE THE PRELIMINARY REACTIONS OF THE GOVT OF INDIA WHICH MR. ACHARYA CONVEYED TO ME ON FEB 16. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT AN INDIAN-CANADIAN MAJORITY APPROACH WOULD NOT BE ADEQUATE IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT POLISH COOPERATION WILL BE ■ DISTRIBUTION LOCAL/LOCALE No SA NOARD ORIGINATOR/REDACTEUR s ig ... W. TDelworth/KGoldsehleg/oh EXTIB/BIL (REV 8/84) (COMMUNICATIONS DIV) ./ DIVISION FAR EASTERN TELEPHONE 2-6807 APPROVED/AUTCRISE SIG, 000334 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information T V j -2 -, > IMPORTANT. I THOUGHT I SHOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE NOW SENT A MESSAGE TO MR. RAPACKI EXPLAINING WHY I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION MAY BE ABLE TO PLAY A USEFUL ROLE AND ASKING FOR HIS VIEWS ON WHETHER, IN SPITE OF OUR DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT OF MANY ASPECTS OF THE VIETNAM PROBLEM, THERE ARE ANY POSSIBILITIES FOR A COMMON POSITIVE APPROACH TO THIS PROBLEM THROUGH OUR COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP. I TOLD MR. RAPACKI THAT I WOULD HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS TO OUR COMMISSION PARTNERS IN DUE COURSE AND THAT, IN THE MEANTIME, I ’WOULD WELCOME HIS REACTION TO THE GENERAL IDEA OF A COMMISSION INITIATIVE IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. 3. I HAVE ALSO NOTED YOUR VIEW THAT, PROVIDED WE CAN AGREE AMONG OURSELVES, WE SHOULD CONSIDER BRINGING THE CO-CHAIRMEN INTO THE PICTURE AT AN EARLY STAGE. VERY MUCH IN MY MIND. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS IS ALSO I SHOULD TELL YOU, HOWEVER, THAT I AM NOT THINKING IN TERMS OF A COMISSION INITIATIVE DIRECTED, TO THE SIMPLE / PURPOSE OF CALLING FOR A RESUMED GENEVA CONFERENCE. IT IS MY JUDGMENT THAT SUCH A CALL WOULD NOT PRODUCE RESULTS IN PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT I ENVISAGE IS RATHER A SERIES OF SOUNDINGS, ' BASED ON THE PUBLICLY EXPRESSED POSITIONS OF THE PARTIES, TO THE POINT WHERE THE PARTIES THEMSELVES MAY BE PREPARED TO ENTER INTO INFORMAL CONTACT AS A PRELUDE, IN DUE COURSE, TO FORMAL NEGOTIATIONS. 4. I VISITED NEW YORK LAST WEEK TO DISCUSS OUR PRESENT THINKING WITH THE SECRETARY GENERAL AND AMBASSADOR GOLDBERG. I SUBSEQUENTLY WENT TO WASHINGTON FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH SECRETARY RUSK. O . • /3 000335 XT IBA (5/64) �Document disclosed under the Access to Informa ion AcU Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur-l'acces a 1'i formation - 3s 5. I THOUGHT I SHOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT REACTIONS IN BOTH NEW YORK AND WASH WERE POSITIVE. THE SEC GEN DOES NOT THINK DISCUSSION OF THE VIETNAM PROBLEM IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL IS LIKELY TO BE HELPFUL IN PRESENT CIRC DISTANCES. HE REGARDS THE GENEVA FRAMEWORK AS PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE IN WHICH PROGRESS CAN BE MADE. . HE AGREED THAT A PROBING EXERCISE BY THE COMMISSION POWERS COULD BE USEFUL AT THIS STAGE IN NARROWING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MAIN PARTIES IN ANTICIPATION; OF CONDITIONS IN WHICH NEGOTIATIONS MIGHT BE UNDERTAKEN. 6. RUSK EMPHASIZED THAT IT HAD BEEN THE U.S.A. AIM FOR SOME TIME TO FIND MEANS OF ENGAGING THE TWO SIDES IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS. THIS CONTINUED TO BE THEIR AIM AND THEY WOULD BE PREPARED TO LEND WHATEVER SUPPORT THEY COULD TO A COMMISSION INITIATIVE IN THE DIRECTION I HAD OUTLINED. 7. I RECOGNIZE THAT TIMING WILL BE AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN X ANY OPERATION ON WHICH WE MAY BE ABLE TO AGREE.' I WOULD HOPE THAT, AT SOME STAGE, IT MIGHT’ BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO MEET TO CONSIDER THE FORM AND CONTENT OF A COMMISSION EFFORT DIRECTED TOWARDS PEACE IN VIETNAM. MEANWHILE, I SHALL BE GLAD TO KEEP YOU INFORMED OF OUR THINKING AND OF ANY REACTIONS WE GET TO OUR PRESENT PRELIMINARY SOUNDINGS. PAUL MARTINI I 0 <TI8A(S/64) ONM’s DM) 000336 �Document disclosed underthe Access to Information Act is Document divulgue en vertu^ae la Loi sur l'acces a I'information -— APPENDIX 38 d 3 1 "I RI USAW MAR8/SS CONE 22- Z/A-2- 1 TO TT EXTERNAL 212 IMMED DE LDN INFO LDN BGRAD PRGUE PRIORITY 1 TT WASHDC PERMISNY EMBPARIS GNEVA MCOW’VIENA ROME PRIORITY DE LDN DELHI CANFORCE NED CNBRA WLGTN HKONG PRIORITY DE OTT STKHM HSNKI PRIORITY DE HAGUE SAIGN PNMPN VENTN PRIORITY DE DELHI REF YOURTEL Y170 FEB17 AND OURTEL 178 FEE28 VIETNAM:MSG FROM RAPACKI SIERADZKI VICE DIRECTOR OF MFA DEPT DEALING WITH CDA USA ASKED TO SEE ME TODAY AND HANDED TO ME RAPACKIS WRITTEN REPLY TO YOUR. MSG. (RIGINAL TEXT IN POLISH IS ACCOMPANIED BY FOLLOVING QUOTE UNOFFICIAL UNQUOTE ENGLISH TRANSLATION. 2.BEGINS:I RECEIVED YOUR MSG TRANSMITTED ON FEB22 THROUGH THE CDN AMBASSADOR IN WSAW MR BERLIS.I AM ALSO FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WHICH YOU HELD RECENTLY WITH THE POLISH AMBASSADOR IN OTT MR WOLNIAK. I WELL "UNDERSTAND AND SHARE YOUR CONCERN AND ANXIETY. I,TOO,DEPLORE THAT IN THE FACE OF A SERIOUS SITUATION THE ICSC REMAINS INACTIVE.I STILL HOPE THAT THERE MAY COME A TIME IN WHICH THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONCURRENCE OF ACTION OF ITS MEMBERS WILL ALLOW THE COMMISSION, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF ITS COMPETENCE ANDPOSSIBILITIES FOLLOWING FROM THE GNEVA AGREEMENTS,TO CONTRIBUTE TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT. IF WE DID NOT RPT NOT TAKE SUCH A POSSIBILITY INTO ACCOUNT WE WOULD HAVE TO REGARD THE EXISTENCE OF THE COMMISSION AS AN ANACHRONISM AND THE FURTHER PARTICIPATION OF POLAND IN IT AS A LOSS OF TIME AND PRESTIGE.CONSEQUENTLY WHILE 2 "T:". 000337 �( Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act. Document divulgue enyertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information , PAGE TWO 212 L SYSTEMATICALLY ANALYSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM I BEAR CONTINUOUSLY IN MIND ALSO THAT POINT OF VIEW I CONSIDER AS PURPOSEFUL THE EXCHANGE OF OPINIONS ON THE QUESTION OF VIETNAM BETWEEN POLAND AND ALL COUNTRIES,ESPECIALLY .MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATL COMMISSION. I THINK IT, HOWEVER,TO BE URGENT AND NECESSARY TO DRAW YOUR ATTN TO THE QUESTION WHICH IN MY OPINION IS OF KEY IMPORTANCE FOR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM AND NOT RPT NOT ONLY IN VIETNAM. GUIDED BY THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF HER FOREIGN POLICY AND BY A SENSE OF DUTY WHICH,IN OUR UNDERSTANDING,THE MEMBERSHIP IN THE COMMISSION IMPOSES UPON HER,POLAND HAS NEVER GIVEN UP ATTEMPTS WITH A VIEW TO CONTRIBUTE TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT. 1 BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ACQUAINTED,AT LEAST IN GENERAL OUTLINE, WITH THE SERIOUS EFFORTS WHICH WE UNDERTOOK IN THE PERIOD FROM END a DEC LAST YEAR TILL END OF JAN IN ORDER TO CREATE CONDITIONS WHICH WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY MAKE POSSIBLE PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS.UN- FORTUNATELY THOSE EFFORTS!WERE STOPPED AND TO A LARGE EXTENT BAFFLED THROUGH THE RESUMPTION OF BOMBING BY USA OF THE TERRITORY ■' Q THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM. ' . : . . ! . A - - " ■■■■ : ' ' • POLANDS ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE MILITARY ACTION OF USA AGAINST DRV, IS KNOWN TO YOU.FOR OVER A YEAR ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATL RELATIONSHAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY VIOLATED.IT IS NOT RPT NOT P DIFFICULT TO FORESEE TO WHAT EVEN A TACIT ACQUIESCENCE IN PRACTICES ...3 Terrmasesmoteasamee 000338 �I Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l’acces a I'information PAGE THREE 212 OF THAT SORT MIGHT LEAD. I AVAIL MYSELF OF THE CONFD CHARACTER OF OUR EXCHANGE OF VIEWS IN (RDER TO PRESENT THE MATTER WITH FULL CLARITY.IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY OUTSIDE CONSIDERATIONS A CONTINUATION OF THE USA MILITARY ACTION AGAINST DRV WILL BE MET WITH A GROWING ASSISTANCE FOR DRVTHE TERRITORY OF THE DRV IS BECOMING AN AREA OF CONFRONTATION ENGAGING INCREASINGLY POWERFUL FORCES.WITH EVERY MONTH GROWS THE DANGER, WHICH IT WILL BE MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO CONTROL,CONTAIN, LOCALIZE. AS FOR THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT ITSELF USA THROUGH BOMBING AND OTHER MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV,WILL ACHIEVE NOTHING,BUT WILL CLOSE THE ROAD TO PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS. NO RPT NO GOVT WHICH DOES NOT RPT NOT WANT TO BE A GOVT OF CAPITULATION WILL NEGOTIATE UNDER BOMBS FALLING ON ITS COUNTRY OR UNDER THE THREAT OF BOMBARDMENT. THE MSG OF THE PRESIDENT OF DRV,HO CHI MINH,TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF STATE E OCHAB OF JAN24 LEAVES NO RPT NO DOUBT THAT SUCH IS THE RESOLUTE ATTITUDE OF THE GOVT OF DRV. THE UNCONDITIONAL AND FINAL CESSATION OR BOMBING AND OF'OTHER ISA MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV IS THE FIRST AND BASIC PREMISE FOR SEARCHING APPROPRIATE WAYS OF A PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF THE VIETNAMESE SITUATION AND FOR PREVENTING VERY SERIOUS AND GROWING THREATS TO A PEACEFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE INTERNATL SITUATION. ALL STATES INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING AND STRENGTHEN I NG PEACE ..,4 Mestfe S&reh.n 000339 �Document disclosed Under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'aCces a information ‘ PAGE FOUR 212 . • i SHOULD,IN MY OPINION,USE ALL THEIR INFLUENCE SO THAT THIS PREMISE BE FULFILLED.AS FOR INTERWATL COMMISSION TAKING OF A STAND ON USA MILITARY ACTION AGAINST THE DRV UNQUESTIONABLY COMES UNDER HER COMJ PETENCE AND DUTIES. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT VIETNAMESE PROBLEM IS A COMPLEX ONE.MANY OTHER CONTENTIOUS QUESTIONS ARE ON THE AGENDA.BUT AS. LONG AS MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST DRV CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS ON THESE PROBLEMS BETWEEN INTERESTED PARTIES SERVE NO RPT NO USEFUL PURPOSE AND NO RPT NO UNDERTAKINGS BY THE COMMISSION WILL CHANGE THAT. HOWEVER DIFFICULT THE FURTHER ROAD TO A PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT OF THE VIETNAMESE CONFLICT MIGHT BE ATTEMPTS SHOULD BE MADE,FIRST OF ALL,TO ELIMINATE THAT ASPECT OF THE CONFLICT WHICH IS MOST PERILOUS TO THE WHOLE INTERNATL SITUATION,IE USA MILITARY ACTION AGAINST DRV AND THEREBY OPEN UP AT THE SAME TIME THE ROAD FOR EFFORTS TOWARDS PEACE IN VIETNAM ITSELF.IN THIS RESPECT THE POSSIBILITIES OF CDA ARE I GREATER THAN OURS. • I WOULD BE GLAD TO KNOW YOUR POINT OF VIEW IN THIS MATTER.ENDS. 3.FOLLOVING TEL WILL CONTAIN MY COMMENTS i BERLIS,•••, o | ,( 000340 i �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act". - Document divuigue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'information — APPENDIX 38 TT i 612/66 RESTR &/- / 3— V1e7i 7 &- o R0-22vrf-9/ MB7AR1S GNEVA CANFORCEHED TT SAGN DE DELHI CNG DE L,DN VENTN PMMPN DE SAECN :2/00686 WITH INDIANS ABOUT POSSIBLE ROLE FOR ICC ?0 IS TEXT 07 HSC TO SSEA FROM SWARAN SINGH FORWARDED LET DATED AFR29 FROM IND HIGH COM HERE BEGINS I: ** Ml. TO YOU FOR YOUR COMMUNICATION OF APR 4 SENT THROUGH X AG u HIGH CGM.YCUR HIGH COMM HAD ALSO CONVEYED 70 ME ON PEB26 V8 ID FHIO! YOU HAD REFERRED TO POSSIBILITY THAT MAY DE S NZRBBRS CP ICC IN VIETNAM TO BRING’ PRESENT 022. 70 US OSER TO NEGOTIATICN.CN MARGIN MY ABSENCE, YOUR HIGH C0. T UE ANOTHER MSG FROM YOU REGARDING MR CHESTER RONNINGS VISIT TO VIENrt ON BEHALF OF CDN GOVT. I THANK YOU FOR SHARING M0UEMTS WITH KE ON THIS DIFFICULT PROBLEM! IS POSSIBLE (C TNAT Ie THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES THERE CAN BE A ROLE WHICH VE,AS HESTERS OF THE ICC,MAY BE ABLE TO PLAY IN WORKING TOWARDS A FAACRUL SETTLEMENT OF VIETNAM PROBLEM. IN OR VIEVga PEACEFUL SOLUTION CAN EEST BE WORKED OUT WITHIN FRAMEWORK OF GNEVA ASR2ENET QP 1954 ADD THEREFORE AS YOU KNOW* WE HAVE ON MORE THAN ONE (00/3101 SUGGESTED THE CONVENING OF A GNEVA TYPE CONFERENCE. UE RECCCNISE THAT AT MCNENT CHANCES OF CALLING SUCK A CONFERENCE ARE NOT FT HOT BRZC,SU7 IT IS OUR HOPE THAT-IT MAY Sn POSSIBLE 1 ‘377 ( r t f CM7XUUE TO KEEP ME INFORMED 07 Y0U COTS THINXING AN ER/CP2NC S VHICH MAY BE OPEN 20 US (N 7 as* j TO NOTE T RF NOT 700 DISTANT EUTURE. 2 10 .0 WE, CD CUR PART : J . ) 550 000341 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Document divulgue en vertu de la Loi sur l'acces a I'inforrriation 070 5 THE CHANGING SITUATION ENDS. SCAS REFLY DATED MAYY 70 IND HIGH CCN, ■OH (OU JRLR7 APR29,UNDER COURR T0 NE PR CH ME SUARAN Sis£l RE03R28 TO SA (CU MINISTERS CC2M2MTS C NYEAEXER '‘ 7 i 805 ASB3EL277 OF ICC BEING AELE 70 ‘LA7 A PVAS WAY FOR A RESLH OF SXTUATIC IN VZTEA’ls % M130ZSTER THAT IAT7ACL R547287 EMFCST0888 70 S CLOSE CONTACTS BETWEEN US ON THESE HATTERS, % E DOES KOT RPT NOT APPEAR PROPITI0S AT 12 2170007 VINCEC AN ERTERNATLCCNFERENCE CH 722T5,3 AN 4 ' )_t ; d L 1 i jAND INDEED OUR PRELININeRY EFFORTS^ 1682 U D TOWARDS DOING WHAT E CAN TO PX7PAR2/2 OR A CCNYERENE HAS A PROSPECT 077 RE100 GFERRAZLY E LSEFUNASS OF CONN195101 23.481 i‘. 37T0 : CO-ELLINGAR SHOULD NOT RPT 007.7 PM215/022 FRC CALCULATION.? OF PAns: r .12 F JO* 095c 000342 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Indochina (CDVN) Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDVN00056 Title A name given to the resource Appendix 37 - telegram G-440 to Delhi Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 30-Dec-65 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived RG25/R219, 2017-00506-1, Box 3, Pt. 13, "A study of Canadian Policy with respect to the Vietnam Problem," Library and Archives Canada. 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