1 20 3 https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/f0b1cbb53a412bb5ed71d2ffd29fadd0.pdf ec0e03b44b35a16cc30524a3509a1dff PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information SECRET INCOMING • . Fr om: CANAIRDIV To: CANAIRHED A 95 CLASSIFIED 11 Mar 53 10 Mar SLEMON FROM CAMPBELL. AT 1115 HOURS THIS MORNING CROSSING WERE SENT HEARD 2 MIG 15 WERE THE CZECHOSLOVAKIAN-US TO INTERCEPT WING 84 BECAME THE SECTION FROM THAT HE WAS BEING WINGMAN ABANDONED THE AIRCRAFT INSIDE CONTINUING THE US ZONE. US POLITICAL CHANNEL. WHAT ENGAGEMENT WE WERE FLYING ENGAGEMENT DISCUSSION FURTHER THIS AFTERNOON DISCUSSION POSSIBLY THIS DISCUSSION: THAT OUR AIRCRAFT THERE SECOND REMARK, MIGHT 86s HAVE THE BEST AS 12 AIR FORCE ABOUT THE 20 MILES NORSTAD I ADVISED HIM THAT NATIONAL EXPLAINED NATO INSTRUCTIONS ENQUIRED SOME TWO INSTRUCTIONS THAT HE HAD ON RULES UNSUCCESSFUL. RIDGWAY HE EXPRESSED ONE TO THE EFFECT OF HE HAS HAD AND WAS HAVING WITH A VIEW OF ISSUING A CLEAR SET TWO VIEWS THAT HE RATHER FELT FLY WITH HOT GUNS AND SECONDLY BE NEED I DID NOT FEEL ON THE OTHER INSTRUCTIONS NORSTAD TOMORROW. SHOULD POSSIBLY POINT GENERAL WITH GENERAL TONIGHT THE NEXT WE TOOK THIS ACTION BUT HAD SO FAR BEEN OF INSTRUCTIONS DURING TO OBTAIN THE IS NOW EN TRAIN IN THE WE HAD IN EFFECT. GENERAL ENDEAVOURING LEADER. AND LANDED IN MIND THAT WE LACKED OR NATO INSTRUCTIONS. AREA SHOT AT BY A MIG 15. ACTION WITH COLD GUNS. WEEKS AGO BEARING TWO US F84s THE WING MAN WAS A MESSAGE THIS EVENING RULES UP ON RADAR IN THE INTERCEPTION FROM LEADER PICKED ZONE BOUNDARY. SAME. SEPARATED BY THE SECTION TO THE EFFECT BEEN MESSAGE FOR OUR 86s. THAT IT WAS MORE HAND WE SHOULD INTERCEPTION ARE PRESENTLY IN REGARD BEAR PERFORMANCE. FLYING WHICH AS WE UNDERSTAND UNDER THAT TO THE THAN A PASSING IN MIND THAT 2 ATAF OUR AS WELL NATIONAL IT ARE TO THE EFFECT 000158 �Document disclosed under the Access to lnformot:0~ Document divu/gue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information Page . • THAT PILOTS IDENTIFIED NORSTAD ARE NOT TO OPEN AND HAS COMMITTED A DIFFICULT PLEASE FIRE IN ANY FORM POSITION, FORWARD NO INDICATION AND IS NOT MEANT LACKING BY FLYING INTERNATIONAL SITUATION, ARE AN URGENT REQUIREMENT. SHOULD FIND MYSELF GUIDANCE. THAN A CASUAL THERE NEVERTHELESS GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS. OR INTERIM THAT HAS BEEN WITH HOT GUNS AND I SHALL NATIONAL THIS IS ANY MORE TO INFER ACT. OF A PATROL INSTRUCTIONS THAT UNTIL AN AIRCRAFT AN OVERT ASK ME TO COOPERATE PARTICIPATING 1 Two - A 95 WILL YOU WE HAVE INCIDENT IS ANY WORSENING THESE IN IN THE INSTRUCTIONS 000159 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDEX01129 Title A name given to the resource CANAIRDIV A95 to CANAIRHED Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10-Mar-53 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Soviet air attacks in Germany - Possible employment of RCAF, RG25-A-3-b, Volume number: 6030, File number: 50290-40, File part: 1. Library and Archives Canada. 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WHEREAS UP TO norr THE RUIE S EA"E 3ZE1'! LA.INLY NATio:rAL .\lTD INCLUDED NATO VIEWS AS ~!ELL AS THOS"' APPLICABLE TO OCCUPPTIOH FCRCES TEERE .SE01:ID ro~·! BE S:3T FOLLO".J:2::)BY : LL P.1'.~TICIPATDTG HATO HATIONS (.) NORSTAD A FEELS THAT CERTAIN AI'itCRI.:i'T SHO'JID BE ON STJ'.ND-::.:YFOR INTERCEPTION ( • ) THESE SHOULD FLY :HTH :8:0T GUNS (. ) THE REEAINDER SHOUID FLY ''T'l1H COLD GUNS ( . ) THE STA~JD-BY AIRCRAFT SHOtrLD Ci.RRY OUT INTERCEP'lIOH Ul'TDERGCI COE1ROL (.) THE PILOTS SHOULD NOT BE PERLITT~D TO OPEX FIRE lJJffLESS THE HOSTILE AIRCPAFT IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS SUCE Al\TDHAS FIRED ON OUR AIRCRAF':i:' OR ALTERNATIVELY THE FOSTILE AIRCRAFT ATT~HPTS TO POSITION TO ATTACK., OUR -er LOTS SEOUID T1:EN BE PE R1"ITTED TO DEF~ND THEI-~SELVES (.) HREN OUR INTERCEPTOR AIRCRAFT ARE OUT OF RADAR RA1'TGEAl'J1) OVER OUR T::;{J:TORY THE :?ILOT S:IOULD BE PEm.ITTED DEFErTD HIMSELF BY FORCE (.) (.) THIS LATT:5::RRCLE ';vE TO HAVE ·O,U2S'l1ION:c;::) IT IS POSSIBLE ~TT:,T ':!E EAY 1:A\TE A DRAFT OF ':t'I:E F:::OPOSED IIJSTRUCTI OES TOI:O:=tROW ( • ) '.!ILL FOR T,\.RD SAr~ l.S S001': l S ::?OS.SIBLE (.) TO LCC0:1DD:'"1 TO l:Y r:TS':'.1:RTJCT::CNS I AN OPERATIONALLY RESro::SIBL.E 4 A.?AF Al':D TEEREEi'OJE FILL B:::: REQU:::STED TO Ii•1PLE:::ENT TFFSE 000160 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context CDEX01128 Title A name given to the resource CANAIRDIV A96 to CANAIRHED Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10-Mar-53 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Soviet air attacks in Germany - Possible employment of RCAF, RG25-A-3-b, Volume number: 6030, File number: 50290-40, File part: 1. Library and Archives Canada. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource LAC ATIP A-2023-05125 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Canadian Crown Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Canada Declassified Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF Language A language of the resource en IIIF Item Metadata UUID c36f7a90-3384-4471-af5d-a7e57648e4d8 https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/files/original/ab6ebf78073b8c7482818cc059deaece.pdf 5547543f6adff4021c086dbd95f23d2d PDF Text Text Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information sa9s-100-2/16 (cAs) POLITICALGUIDANCE SUPPLEhENT TO COI'J~-lAND INSTRUCTIONS 1 AIR DIVISION8 RCA~ 10 Mar 53 Introduction This Instruction 1 Instructions issued S895-100-2/16 direction supplements in Air Force Headquarters letter 2 Mar 530 It embodies (CAS), dated to you in respect (a) the Command of: Your relations with the Canadian Ambassador at Bonn, the French Forces of Occupation, States Forces the United of Occupation, the German Federal and Republic and peopleo (b) Your relations with the Canadian Ambassador at Paris, French authorities This Instruction 2 Department its of External and with the and peopleo has been reviewed Affairs by the and is in accord with viewso Relations 3 sentative Federal with the Canadian The Ambassador, Embassy in Bonn Mro ToCo Davis, is the repre- of the Government of Canada to the German Republic communication and is the official between the Canadian channel of Government and the 000168 �Document &,sciosea unaer fneAccess fa1n}ormobon Acf a /'information Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes German Governmento is in forcej So long as the Occupation he remains Commission and is, of communication the Allied accredited therefore)) concerned to the Allied also the official between tl:E Canadian High Commissiono with all matters of the two Governments Statute High channel Government and As Ambassador)) he is that or the may affect opinion the relations of Canada held by the German peopleo 4 The presence of important Canadian Air Division in Germany in peacetime political it fact of considerable is desirable informed that of any developments relations o 5 Although Accordingly he will possible 1 keep the Ambassador concerning the Air Division on political naturally of the Canadian assistance is a or public the Ambassador has no authority the Air Division, sentative of a significanceo you should which might have an effect elements over wish:1 as the repre- Government)) to give you any in matters the members of the Division)) affecting whenever the welfare you desire of such assistanceo 6 Without at present methods of communication and the Ambassador, ··f, your p~tt, endeavour and cordi~{'·t • relations ~- ·.' ·t pa?'agraphso it laying down channels and discussion is desired to ensure Ambassador by the Department between yourself you should, the establishment in the light A copy of this that letter or for of close of the preceding will of External be sent to the Affairso 000169 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information - 3 Relations between the Air Division and the French Forces of Occupation The stationing 7 of part of the Air Division in the French Zone of Germany, under the operational command of 4 Allied to political States officers Americans Forces the United are mentioned in which they States is, Germany. Moreover, purposes with French paragraph.) It States capacity 8 France Germany. Western for operational Air Forces which to which I refer is hoped that is one of the three Forces in you, and the and avoid The French and as and the United your Force is grouped such misunderstanding feelingso a double meet many of powers occupying and United (The as the and men under your Command, will anyone's Western here, are located, with France in Germany have the dual reduce among many people and even Canadians. Kingdom, one of the three officers may give rise and men under your Comnand will them in the area my next Air Force, misunderstanding Germans, French, United Tactical be able injury to to Powers occupying of Occupation have role: (a) They assist the French High Commissioner in carrying out the occupation. (b) They have been assigned by the French Government to the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe as part Integrated Force created North Atlantic Treaty of the by the nations. 000170 �Document disclosed under the Access to ln}ormotJon Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information - 4 Canada is a full 9 and sh8red Forceo in the decision has decided the Integrated Allied Forceo The fact with the approval of to assi~n the Air Division to On the advice that its status status remembered 11 of the Air Division is that aggression in Western Treaty allianceo the Division Canada and serving Relations 12 the laws now fact to be does not with will the to a Europe against By helping be protecting national to the North to deter aggres- ~nd defending interests of Cana.dao Germany At the conclusion of the tripartite of the United Kingdom, the United that Air Division which has been created in September, mutually the the Supreme Allied in Washington announced on the the Division Air Force under Commander:i Europe» a force sion, in of the RCAFo advice under Canada is contributing Atlantic the Air Force important politically under of the occupationo North Atlantic deter Tactical separate in Germany, but the Franceo is grouped as a formation receive has been I command of 4 Allied You will form part the Air Division the Air Division no way affects in force of the Supreme to West Germany and to Northeast operational 10 the Integrated 1 Commander in Europe, al.located member of NATO to establish The CanGdian Governrnent Parliament, legal and equal they acceptable 1951, had agreed arrangements meetings the Foreign States Ministers and France to the negotiation with the of German Federal 000171 �to1n}ormot,on Act document d1sc/ose&under the Access Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes 5 - = I -Republic which would completely relationships described :i with Germanyo as European community, n:t.11cons:ist ent status n integrat:Lon wj existing The guiding principle on th) itself basj_s thr-; ret -==mt i or; in futm·e th domestic 13 beginning Canada, place reflects in September three 1 of the legal Negotiations Statute years, in the case of state culminated in the agreements in Bonn on May 26th, status military Concurrently, on the part sphereo European signing between of contractual of these contractual 1952, by the three German Federal Republico the way was paved for a new As was noted 1951, the Occupying by the for the replacement of the German Federal of the North Atlantic of war in relations by a series agreements Occupying Powers and the changes up of the German Federal of normal diplomatic the two countries. 14 vri thin of cccupa tion 1951, an act which was soon followed of the Occupation j ... _ developing the profound 1949, and leading to the termination establishment 1 in the Federal over tbe·last with the setting Republic I affairs"o This statement which have taken ::.1 1' was ,.~c;_ua.lity uf incluc~.(~:l in or of the ;>ewers to interfere Republic's July transform j, a /'information Council Republic in the final in the communique in Ottawa in September Powers welcomed the plans for a Defence Community of which Germany would form a parto These plans form in the Treaty have now been given constituting Community (EDC) which was signed a European in Paris concrete Defence on :May27th, 000172 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information 1952, but which has not yet been ratified governments Republic, concerned, France, namely, Italy, by the the German Federal Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourgo 15 will In the light gather rights in spite of special which may be retained stationed should that, of the above developments, be based important on the fact potential position allyo be understood and particularly that It by all by those privileges for Canadian in Germany, your dealings you and forces with the Germans Germany is an is important ranks that this under your command who may have to deal directly with the Germanso 16 Political to which should in the latter and entry doubts be added constitutional country, into force troops for In the meantime, and officers, Allied are delaying of foreign to Western the presence 17 readily times With these appreciate the forces will encourage to re-armo soil It the Germans should, in mind that of large any people numbers in time of peaceo considerations that securityo under th~ Supreme the presence on their be in Germany of your men be borne to resent troops Consequently, contribution its to face up to the decision is inclined the ratification Germany will along with others at all difficulties when Western Commander in Europe, however, and Germany, of the EDC Treatyo the day is postponed raising in both France the attitude in mind, you will and behaviour under your command are of extreme of importance 000173 �document disclosed under the Access to 1n}ormotJonAct Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information ' from a political point of whole-hearted co-operation Germans with Allied point of view, contractual eventual agreements principle of the A further in the Western on the principle in the that its defence of complete equalityo that in uniform which might give the Germans the impression they are being or subordinate on the part effort It follows that any actions Republic is enshrined and the EDC Treaty, participation treated people will not only be bitterly do harm to our causeo 18 The very fact, forces of some delicacy proper balance of your position equally status important there with· respect that forces duties agreements be.taken, any opportunity While it be no misunderstanding to the Occupation, should is actually not be used by the Powers in the force and the EDC Treatyo to avoid to use your presence it between the and of those the Occupying therefore, a be associated i.n Germanyo between now and the coming into contractual a situation both with the Germans the distinction of the Canadian Germans to embarrass should should status you to maintain with which you will engaged in Occupation period require Zone and elsewhere that resented of the special in Germany creates in your relations in the French is desirable however, which will and with the forces of Canadians in any way as a defeated but will of the Canadian ,, a spirit the German Federal and this must be based on the part aims and objectiveso to remember is that has made clear, in fostering I giving of the Every care the Germans in Germany as a 000174 �r Document disclosed under the Access to In ormotion Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information I means of dividing their the Western attempting Allies to curry at the expense Allies, favour whether through with any one of the of another or by other methodso France 19 The Canadian General Ambassador in Paris, Georges Vanier, communication French between the Canadian Government. important informed is the official that as they occur the French publice General The presence the auspices of Canadian By fostering with the French opportunity to contribute Canada is the first forces have a considerable political relations at large, you have an of the Atlantic apart and to the Allianceo from the United in France, advantage the Americans, Treaty officials, on good terms with the French unlike in France and civilian country will in his powero in no small measure and cohesiveness with his part, the most cordial population to station forces of considerable both with French military States for of the North Atlantic is a fact significanceo strength Vanier, concerning relations wish to give you any assistance Organization is you keep our Ambassador to France under your command in their 20 of Government and the the forces under channel As in the case of Germany, it of any developments naturally Major- and Canadians in their because efforts will to live of the fact that, they have not been a major target of Communist invectiveo 000175 �Document disclosed under the Access to 1n}ormot1onAct Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information - 9 21 However, the French, experience, are particularly It must, therefore, attempts to m!nufacture it good public feelings between organized should for general, active 22 4,900,000 the electorate If, might consist, dances in local -- just of 19510 strength after the war, about Of these, the hard core of party about 60,000 militantso proportion loyalty thinking the great vote as they do in protest organized in all they welfare political probability, is clear votes of the or of giving trouble their could no in the mass of Communist voters against suffer, seems to them, with the social to form from the Communist militants of hostilities, feel at the 1,000,000 in terms to Moscowo Although doubt be expected of of actual are said of the population of the Government, overthrow it ceremonies. Thus, it violent which, in in 1950, and possibly seriously which they and, -- about Communist without event example, over one quarter are very much less 500,000 nowo warm these for Yet estimates 850,000 in population, -- votEtl for Communist candidates party first genuinely to encourage concerts, people can, on the contrary, do exist participation elections a large relations be taken children, artificial and the French These measures • in parties .national there our forces measures sentimentso that of long to propagandao that do mor~ harm than goodo becomes apparent that sensitive be emphasized \ France, as a result the discrimination and in favour is more genuinely of workers group in Franceo remain neutral of the party concerned than any other These voters or even rally would, to the 000176 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information I:)'': II' 1 Government in the of your Forces event French population who vote Communist, and they should be warned.against becoming involved intellectual to many French pleasure represent their matter 23 average bring or loyalties of air bases troops on French humiliation Party, assistance, French Alliance -- the the establishment and the stationing used a version Stateso of this tried taking more difficulto hostility insisted that must remain more that People (RaPoFo) themeo rigid to force Unlike the.armies essentially within Army Treaty national and demanding equal shown States in charactero The under your command can and attitude NATOis a partnership the NATO and has of the Confederate you and the troops do by your actions of The RoP.Fo has also to the European the positions which would make co-operation strong General the RoPoFo has not opposed the basic French ·Government into Alliance of as a national of th~ French of NATO, but has often principle decline 19390 -- is portrayed the Rally at times the Communists, purpose since in North Africa, soil appe&l partly to the relative imposed by the United DeGaulle's concept sensitivity of rnili tary no and on the 9 in the North Atlantic acceptance has also pride power and prestige co-operation great views may seemo on French national of France's that peoplej intentions their Frenchman's I in political The Communists have made their by playing ' - ,... but which do not necessarily genuine how radical •. 11 Members members of the whichj no doubt attacko J encounter arguments will of a Soviet I to make it established sacrifices apparent for a very high and concessions 000177 �Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information - 11 - by all the partners, counteracting the more you will suspicions the North Atlantic which undermine Allianceo members of the Canadian Forces point out that in France or in Germany, are are attached to the complete Forces, entirely and that populace is thus stationed formations liked make a good may well even more crucial countrieso in France, established than for our troops Canadians, and if your forces name for themselves, be considerable the political in determining particular, the French are proud of their and are sensitive English has made upon it efforts should sensitive world, in the world at largeo possible Another subject is the technical and constant consequenceso superiority to express in this respect One of the major concerns Frenchman is the housing should be avoided and which Therefore, to use French and with the local on which the French are attempts French accomplishments In language to the encroachments with the French authorities populationo results and on the lefto be made wherever are the opinions both on the right culture, as such, can manage to of waverers in dealing now in Europeo under your command and the local in other well no conditions by the Supreme The problem of the relationship between the forces whether at the disposal control military occasions, in France might the Canadian operations Command over Canada's 24 serving in and weaken On suitable tactfully of SHAPE for military assist problem the Canadians 9 of the Anglo-Saxon appreciation will of have happy of the average and the impression are occupying which might be used by French citizenso space The Americans 000178 �,., I -,.; Document disclosed under the Access to Information Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information t You might, had this therefore, find where appropriate, quarters built have also peasants that air effort used against advantageous your Forces fundso might be allowed farm work or to assist f I ,I themo The Communists that French American wish to make a to win the friendship of your air f to mention, to m8ke way for so you will ' are occupying play with the fact bases the neighbourhood of the farmers fieldso in Members of your at critical times to help with in repairing local ravages of or flood. 25 the all have been displaced special fire it with Canadian made great and Canadian Forces argument ' /' I,; - 12 have frequently '\ ' ' The Church in Fr~nce has unfortunately subject of political controversy of the French revolutiono since who wish to do so migh-:; well attend local Church services, troops religious the time Members of the Canadian Forces not to let been be encouraged but care should under your Command take demonstrations to be taken part in local if they have a political charactero 26 References obvious it reasons, should to the German problem are, to be made as little not be taken for granted as possible, that the idea of the European Armyo 27 In short, your men will be living that has every reason is vastly proud and that, to be proudo and any given person supports of a nation for with citizens moreovert Thus the Forces under 000179 �Document disclosed under the Access to ln}ormot1on Act Document divulgue en vertu de lo Loi sur /'occes a /'information r - 13 your command will peed to employ conside1able and imagination, together than of it on the face can do so, they will bution Western to the political Europeo to the vital in the defence with perhaps more deference seems appropriateo be able stability role If they to make a real contri- and morale This would be an important military tact which they will of addition be playing of the areao 000180 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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